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Question on uploading images
Thanks for the welcome. I too am a Nascar fan. How bad have I got it? Real bad. They could make one of those commercials based on the walls of my basement. I am also very new to Wikipedia. I have been surfing through various driver wikipedia pages and noticed that they lack pictures. It just so happens that I had pit passes to the Phoenix race a couple of weeks ago and I took tons of pics of drivers, cars, pit crews, etc. I am not a pro photographer and would love to upload the best of these pics to Wikipedia for use on drivers pages. As I am finding out, it takes hours and hours of digging on Wikipedia to figure out how to do this. I don't have hours and hours to spare, so could you do me a favor and possibly break it down for me on how to upload and how to navigate the complicated copyright info I need to include. From what I have read so far, I think all of these pics are totally ok to upload because I took them, I have no intention of making money off them, and they are high quality and relevant. For example I have a closeup of Jimmie Johnson sitting in his car during the red-flag on the next to last lap at the Phoenix race. It shows Harvick's car right in front of him. It's a sweet pic. I look forward to hearing from you if you get a chance and if you know the answers to my Q's. BHFeller 16:19, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi: I just attempted my first upload of images. I then tried to edit the Jimmie Johnson page and put in a picture under his 2006 season section. Can you please see if I did it right and fix it if I didn't. Thanks!

Dumbing Down of Articles
Thanks for continuing to support the dumbing down of America! Modor 16:37, 22 December 2006 (UTC)Modor Yeah, well...sometimes the truth hurts. It is the same style I use when I pen my NASCAR articles. Haven't been around that sport too long either, have you? Modor 07:49, 29 December 2006 (UTC)Modor

Evernham Motorsports article
I need to ask an opinion of you. In the third paragraph of the "#19 car history" section, it mentions the supposed relationship between Ray and Erin. I don't have a problem with it there, but the sentence itself seems a bit one-sided. Should the sentence be reworded to seem more neutral or what? Or does it even hold any relevance to the #19 car at all?

Thanks!Captain Spyro 22:26, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. I edited the sentence in question and would like to know what you think of it; if it doesn't bother you, of course.Captain Spyro 01:04, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

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Alright, it seems that my attempt to have this guy banned has failed. I requested it twice. The first time, my request disappeared without a reason and the 2nd was denied by the admin; stating that is was only a 'content dispute' and not vandalism involving personal attacks. He pointed me to the 3RR policy and if our 'friend' breaks that policy, he can be reported there. However, not sure if you want to give the banning a shot, but meh. *Shrugs.*Captain Spyro 22:54, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * For some reason, I had a feeling I was familiar with you. ;) But yeah, I won't bother with that mess at least until the end of this semester. I have too much stuff to worry about on that end to be annoyed with the relationship mess. He's reedited the article again, but I'll just wait it out for now. *Shrugs.* Thanks for your help in the matter! Captain Spyro 02:17, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

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Hey D-day, haven't talked to you in a while, but on Nascar wikia, I registered and forgot my password and I didn't register with a email and I want to contribute so how can I log on there thanks. Tec 01:47, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok I created Technogreek44 just wanted to let you noe that im not an impersentator Tec 20:40, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

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Allen and Craftsman Truck
D-Day, Allen in the #13 truck it is. My apologies for the undo. - Thaimoss 21:29, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Jeff Fuller Car Owner
Hello, I noticed an innaccuracy on Jeff Fuller's page listing his first cup owner as Patricia Bandyul. It really was Patricia Bandzul, along with her husband Scott Bandzul. I'm mentioning this because I see you changed it back, most likely because thats how it is listed on Racing-reference.info. Scott and Patty Bandzul owned Modifieds in the northeast for many years with drivers like Jeff Fuller, Steve Park, and Rick Fuller. Hope this Clears things up. -- Bca617 06:40, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

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Good talking with you again. I notice that you added Farmer's birthdate. I am found many sources with varying birthdates for him when I originally started the article, so I think we should change it back to a version with an ambiguous birthdate. Please respond back here on your talk page. RoyalbroilT : C 23:17, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I found it on Racing-Reference. I know that's not the most accurate source, but I figured it's better than nothing. If you have found many sources, please do change it back. --D-Day 23:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I changed it back since I had so many disputed sources. There is even a section talking about it! Farmer has a tight lip and is coy in interviews. I love what you've been doing about adding the birthdate template and country flag to so many articles! RoyalbroilT : C 23:37, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
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Hi D-Day. Ok, I let out my password to a friend and he started editing under my name. So, how do I get a new password to fix this error. Ps, I never created an account NASCAR Wikia. Tec 17:04, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

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Removal of Material in External Links
I would like to discuss with you why you have felt it necessary to remove all of the Official Forum Links I have placed in the service for the NASCAR drivers. Some I added today, others have been in the system for months. Today my links were targeted by you and others to be removed.

You and others have not explained where having official links to official message boards are against Wikipedia rules. Instead, it is an interpretation of what is and what isn't appropriate. I would like to know why you and a few others have interpreted it that way.

Posting official site links has been ok as a wikipedia practice. This is used by Wiki users for a few reasons:

1) Reference material

2) So users know exactly what is officially recognized and what isn't

Having an official forum link does the same, and then more:

1) Reference material

2) So users know exactly what is officially recognized and what isn't

3) So fans know where is a 'safe' place to go and discuss their drivers in a professionally managed and moderated website

My company provides this service to over 120 drivers across the country ... from local level racers to NASCAR drivers. This is no different than them having their official site, except their forums are located off site and managed elsewhere. This is also no different than linking a "team site" (for instance, for Johnny Sauter, linking the Team Yellow Racing) as they are providing that person a service as well.

Maybe the problem is the stigma attached to discussion forums. However, you are making a judgement based on that stigma and personal opinion, not according to the nature of what Wikipedia is about.

The driver's official forum is linked on each one of their sites, so I am not using Wiki to further my business. Instead, I am using it to assist the public as to what is official and what is not. It is no different than placing a link to the driver's official site.

If my links are not allowed, then a high percentage of the links on the Wikipedia service do not belong. Specifically, the links to the reference pages on the racing reference site does not belong because it is promoting a site not associated with the driver for personal gain. Mine is an officially recognized professional service that belongs.

I will await your explaination. While I understand you may feel your perspective is the right one, if you look at the facts presented and strip out all the personal feelings on my side and yours, you will see that it does belong, according to the nature of what Wikipedia is about and for the public.

Thanks.

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I have requested a peer review for the article (Peer review/Alan Kulwicki/archive1). I would appreciate if you would critically review the article for errors. Royal broil 23:53, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

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I am the anonymous IP who reverted that edit on Brian Vickers recently. I didn't know that was vandalism because I am new. I thought vandalism was only stuff like "brian vickers is fat" or something like that. I am sorry and I want to know how to join that Project NASCAR. Could you please reply on my talk page? User:Boss Big —Preceding comment was added at 23:13, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

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Let me begin by saying that if you deface my talk page again I will notify an administrator. If you continue to accuse me of vandalizing that page or any other, I will notify an administrator and if you remove this notice from your talk page I will notify an administrator. If you violate the 3 revert rule on that article I will also notify an administrator.

The references to greatschools.net were removed because they are inadequate as a source. Greatschools serves as a third party clearinghouse for information passed on by the the school districts themselves or other third parties. They do not provide a method for verifying their information and thus cannot be used as a source on Wikipedia under the guidelines of this encyclopedia. I have reverted your edits and replaced the fact tags. If you so choose, you may seek out other sources to replace those tags, but they must be verifiable.

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 * If you revert my changes to this article again I will notify an administrator.

You have asked for evidence supporting my claim about Greatschools.net. To do that, you need only to go to the website and review the material they have available. Their statistics are drawn from government sources which could be (and are, in this article) used as primary sources. There are, in some cases, posts from teachers, parents and students from the schools, but these also cannot be verified. In most cases, they simply provide statistics without citing a source at all. It is impossible, then, to verify the claims of the website and so it cannot be used as a source on this encyclopedia. If you disagree, you can ask for mediation in this case from an administrator. Again, I will contact an administrator if you continue to revert my edits. Thank you. Cumulus Clouds 01:51, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, you twice reverted my changes without discussing it and without even considering why I had done it. When you use the vandalism template for an edit that was not vandalism, you insult the editor, violate WP:AGF and undermine the work being done on the original article. This is what I mean when I say "deface."


 * Let me quote directly from WP:SOURCES so that I can be very clear when I explain to you what a verifiable source is:


 * In general, the most reliable sources are peer-reviewed journals and books published in university presses; university-level textbooks; magazines, journals, and books published by respected publishing houses; and mainstream newspapers. As a rule of thumb, the greater the degree of scrutiny involved in checking facts, analyzing legal issues, and scrutinizing the evidence and arguments of a particular work, the more reliable it is.


 * "Academic and peer-reviewed publications are highly valued and usually the most reliable sources in areas where they are available, such as history, medicine and science. Material from reliable non-academic sources may also be used in these areas, particularly if they are respected mainstream publications. The appropriateness of any source always depends on the context. Where there is disagreement between sources, their views should be clearly attributed in the text."


 * Since greatschools.net uses government sources to verify its own claims, it would make sense to replace any references from greatschools.net with the reference to the original primary government sources. For example, Digg cannot be cited as a source because it is a collection of articles from other sources. The articles that Digg links to may instead be cited, thus cutting out any reference to Digg itself.


 * Instead of constantly reverting my edits to the article, which doesn't serve any real purpose, you can instead spend your time finding the original sources by and through which greatschools.net compiled their data. This way, the fact tags may be replaced with primary, government sources and there will never be a question about verifiability. Cumulus Clouds 21:04, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, unfortunately, if you continue to insist on reverting those changes, you're going to keep hearing about this. I've reported your edits to an administrator and I expect some resolution to this matter in the next few days. Until that happens, you are not to remove those fact tags from that article. Cumulus Clouds 00:10, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

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I had the article undeleted - it had been speedy deleted. You're more up-to-date on the current happenings in NASCAR than I am. Would you please read Buffy's article and help me improve/update it? Also, what is her current status at Michael Waltrip Racing? Would you help write her back into that article to? Thanks! Royal broil 13:27, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
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D-Day, I read the deal in regards to edit reversion, and if anything, that protects me and not you. I made an edit to clean up a page in order to make it more professional with forum-style nonsense taken out of it, let alone some of which being lies, and you keep reverting it. According to the rule that you sent me, you are the one that needs to stop. Any time somebody edits information with corrections on this website, it seems like someone is always there to revert it, with or without warrant.

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Just a short message to let you know that there's now a subWikiProject for the Green Bay Packers: WikiProject National Football League/Green Bay Packers subproject. I didn't join, but I thought that you may be interested. Did you noticed that I've been up to a lot lately? I hope that you are doing good. Royal broil 02:18, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
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