User talk:D.D. Patristics

February 2014
Hello, D.D. Patristics, welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your contributions. Your editing pattern indicates that you may be using multiple accounts or coordinating editing with people outside Wikipedia. Our policy on multiple accounts usually does not allow this, and users who use multiple accounts may be blocked from editing. If you operate multiple accounts directly or with the help of another person, please remember to disclose these connections. Elizium23 (talk) 23:57, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

This is your last warning. The next time you disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Eastern Catholic Churches, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Elizium23 (talk) 00:21, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

I do not understand your deleting my corrections. I was asked to cite references & I have. I signed-in under dd.patristics, because I didn't remember what email address I used last time; I tried the email I normally used, but was getting nowhere.

What more do I have to do to provide references??? I am an Abyssinian Catholic Priest, ordained two years ago. What kind of references do I need to provide to prove myself & the facts I added, and that you re-changed?

The Abyssinian Catholic Church was recognised in 1846, at the same time as the Ethiopian Catholic Church. The same citation that was used for that reference, also references my Church. We are a Vicariate of the Egyptian Catholic Church. We have no Bishop, just secular priests & missionaries.

I request my changes to be made back or a civil discussion between us.

The Reverend Father Guy Dioguardi, D.D., C.M.


 * If you have no bishop then you are not part of a sui iuris Church. All the reliable secondary sources I have seen list 23 sui iuris Churches in communion with Rome; the Old Catholic Encyclopedia does not help because it identifies what is now called the Ethiopian Catholic Church as the Abyssinian Uniate Church. In fact the article you cited in your last edit, Abyssinia, only mentions the Abyssinian Orthodox Church and describes its differences with the Catholic Church, so I don't understand how this reference shows you are a mythical 24th sui iuris Church. Please provide current reliable secondary sources listing 24 Churches and your Church alongside the Ethiopian Catholic Church. Elizium23 (talk) 00:47, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

First & foremost... I requested CIVIL Discussions. Your saying "you are a mythical 24th sui iuris Church" is condescending & insulting, and I ask for an apology.

Next, you said that the my reference Abyssinia, "only mentions the Abyssinian Orthodox Church" and "Abyssinian Uniate Church". Show me anywhere, in my references, where it says my Church does not exist. In fact, the last paragraph of says the Abyssinian Catholic Church exists.

In New Advent Catholic Encyclopaedia, again lists my Church AS a Catholic Church.

Additionally, it lists the Abyssinian Catholic Church as "So Abyssinia has always acknowledged the supremacy of the Patriarch of Alexandria, and still considers its Church as a daughter-church of the See of St. Mark. The same causes that made Egypt Monophysite affected Abyssinia equally." A "Daughter-Church" which acknowledges us AS a Catholic Church.

Please, respond civilly & correctly.

The Reverend Father Guy Dioguardi, D.D., C.M.
 * Yes, the Abyssinian Church exists, I am not disputing that. It has a new name, the Ethiopian. Which is proved by your EWTN link, which lists the one Church as "Ethiopian/Abyssinian" - not two separate Churches, one that has been renamed. The Catholic Encyclopedia, as I said, is old, and uses the term Abyssinian in reference to the Ethiopian Catholic Church. I have nowhere seen a source which lists Ethiopian next to Abyssinian as equal sui iuris Churches and I have never seen any reference which says there are 24 and not 23 Churches in the Catholic communion. You will have to prove those facts with further sources. Does your Church have a web page? Elizium23 (talk) 01:25, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Obviously, you are unwilling to reply civilly or without the ability to accept cited references. Is it your job to refute correct citations.

Does my Church "have a website"??? We are an Apostate Vicariate of 4,000 secular priests & missionaries. No, we do not have a website. Is that what legitimises anything?; (a fact you deleted).

I request, or shall I have to find, a telephone number or email address, of your superior. Perhaps they can settle your dispute with my facts.

The Reverend Father Guy Dioguardi, D.D., C.M.


 * Now I would ask you to please calm down and see reason here. Nothing I have said is uncivil. What is the name of your vicariate? We should be able to find it on Catholic-Hierarchy if it is a part of the Catholic Church. Elizium23 (talk) 01:43, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

It is 8:48pm in NY, where I am. I'm missing the Closing Ceremony of the Olympics, which my family is waiting for me to watch with them.

Please send me the contact information I requested.


 * Now you're just being evasive. My work is done here. I will place a template for someone else to attempt to help you. Elizium23 (talk) 01:52, 24 February 2014 (UTC)


 * I am removing the help request until the editor themselves requests it. On a side note, Father Guy Dioguardi, Wikipedia is made up of volunteers. Editing Wikipedia is not their "job" and they do not have "superiors" like you find in organizations or businesses that deal in customer service. Editors are expected to work out editorial issues within the community. Disagreements often arise and usually you would seek more community participation. Policies are set and enforced at the volunteer level. There are several policies that surround this project and it's possible that the information you have may be correct but simply is not being either verified or attributed in the way which the rules and guidelines require. If you have further questions I would recommend you check out WP:TEAHOUSE or WP:OTRS. I hope this helps. Sincerely, Mkdw talk 04:50, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Is this the type of reference you need?

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The Reverend Father Guy Dioguardi, D.D.
 * I'm really not very familiar with religious topics. I would suggest you ask the question at Talk:List of Catholic rites and churches. When you write your question, assume people are coming into the conversation anew and explain everything as best you can (what you're looking to achieve, provide your sources that support your argument, and inquire if they have any ideas to assist). Regards, Mkdw talk 06:18, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

About your Third Opinion request: Hi, I'm a regular volunteer at the Third Opinion project (I also do dispute resolution at the dispute resolution noticeboard and am a member of the mediation committee). I'm willing to lend a hand here, if I can, but I do have a few observations and terms:
 * First, D.D. Patristics, I'm going to ask that you remember to always sign every talk page post with four tilde's, like this: ~ . Failing to do so makes it very difficult to figure out who says what and when.
 * Second, I'd like your commitment to edit at least once a day (except for Saturdays and Sundays, when I don't get online much, though hopefully we'll be done before then) until this matter is resolved. Wikipedia generally doesn't work very well with folks who edit one day then go away for several days and then come back. All of us, including me, have to miss a day every now and then, but if you're going to go away for several days we need to know it, otherwise we kind of presume that you've given up.
 * Third, I'd ask — without pointing fingers at anyone in particular up until this point — that all discussions absolutely refrain from saying anything about the other editor. Here at Wikipedia we discuss edits, not editors.

If I can get an agreement here on this page from both editors on those first three points, then I'm going to move this discussion over to Talk:List of Catholic rites and churches, which is where discussion about that article ought to really be taking place. Can I get, ahem, an "amen" on those three points? Regards, TransporterMan  ( TALK ) 16:24, 24 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Sounds like an excellent plan to me. Elizium23 (talk) 17:43, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I am no longer watching this page. If anyone wants to pick this back up, please drop me a note on my user talk page and remind me where and what it is all about. Regards, TransporterMan  ( TALK ) 16:45, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

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