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Happy editing! WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 17:06, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Edits at Joel Seligman
I have again reverted this edit at Joel Seligman. Whether or not Seligman was exonerated in the case, his handling of the case, and the student body's negative reaction to that, does appear to be a direct cause of his resignation, and this fact should not be whitewashed. If you disagree, you should discuss the matter at Talk:Joel Seligman before restoring your edit. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 17:06, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I also suggest using the article Talk page, wherein your desired content can be discussed. As it stands, D.E. Olcott, the content you wish to remove is notable and cited to many reliable, independent sources. But by following the discussion part of WP:BRD (which, because you are apparently a new editor, I encourage you to read) at the article Talk page, perhaps consensus for some of your desired edits can be achieved. Please avail yourself of that mechanism. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 18:41, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, JoJo Anthrax. Thank you for educating me as to Wikipedia etiquette. Admittedly, even though I'm a trained journalist, and I've created pages before for leadership in organizations in which I've worked, I've never edited. The reason for editing Seligman's was not to whitewash the scandal ... as an ethical journalist I would not do that ... but to remove misleading wording. As it currently reads, it appears Seligman himself was the sexual perpetrator and that allegations and the loudest shouting led to his resignation. That is not true. He did it to give the college a fresh start. And the FACTS of the investigation exonerated him. Yet, his Wikipedia page will forever speculate why he resigned, and using language that implies he was the violator.
 * I CAN provide a link to support his reason for resignation (his own words; a TV news interview the day after he resigned): https://www.rochesterfirst.com/adam-interviews/seligman-forcefully-defends-ur-after-report/
 * So, the edits I wish to make are to that sentence AND to his personal section. He is remarried to his first wife in fact.
 * Admittedly, the under-the-hood editing on Wikipedia is quite a nightmare. I apologize for editing the information from the page, not knowing protocol. Please advise how I can edit the two sections to which I refer. Thank you! D.E. Olcott (talk) 23:34, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I believe the best way to proceed is to first familiarize yourself with some of the policies and guidelines that shape article content on Wikipedia. The two that seem most important here are WP:RS (the guideline that describes the requirement that content be reliably sourced) and WP:N (the guideline explaining how content should be notable). I encourage you to read those guidelines, as they will provide important background information on what is, and what is not, included in Wikipedia articles. There are many additional policies and guidelines, but those are good places to start. Then I suggest that you read WP:BRD, which describes the standard methodology used by editors to add or subtract content from articles, and then WP:BLP, a lengthy policy that describes the type of content that should/shouldn't be included in biographies of living persons (e.g. Joel Seligman). After reading that and perhaps additional material, I suggest that you return to the article Talk page with specific edits you would like to make to the article, and there we (with perhaps the input of other editors) can try to reach a consensus (see WP:CONSENSUS). In my opinion your edits were bold but controversial, and thus reverted, because the material you attempted to remove was both notable and reliably sourced. That certainly does not, however, preclude word-smithing or the addition of notable, reliably sourced material.
 * Lastly, because these are your first edits on Wikipedia, because you have not edited other pages, because your post above suggests a professional background in public relations (i.e., I've created pages before for leadership in organizations in which I've worked), and because you present strong opinions related to this BLP (your use of all-caps for the word "facts," and your use on the word "exonerated," which I do not recall being used in any of the cited reliable sources) I must ask if you have, or had, a professional or personal connection of any kind with either Seligman or the University of Rochester. If so, you should declare it straight away, as that would constitute a conflict of interest (yet another guideline for you to read) that, as I'm sure you understand as an ethical journalist, limits what you can and can not directly contribute to that particular page. A COI does not, however, prevent you for participating in constructive Talk page discussions. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 18:06, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * As I am working with Seligman to promote his book release, there is a conflict of interest. Therefore, would you be kind to update Mr Seligman wiki page with the following information:
 * Here are links to two news stories from last week to use for reference:
 * https://www.wxxinews.org/show/connections/2022-11-18/former-university-of-rochester-president-joel-seligman-on-his-career-and-his-new-book
 * https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/local/2022/11/16/memoir-recounts-joel-seligman-presidency-controversial-end-for-former-university-of-rochester-leader/69626433007/?utm_source=democratandchronicle-NewsAlert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news_alerts&utm_term=news_alert&utm_content=PROC-1070DC-E-NLETTER06ou
 * Please make following edits:
 * Please amend first paragraph so it is clear that Mr. Seligman was in fact NOT the perpetrator. At present, it appears he is the offender, when he in fact, is not.
 * Please add the publication of his memoirs to the profile.
 * Please update sources with the two news articles as you see fit.
 * Please update and amend personal section to reflect his current wife, residents, occupation
 * Using democrat and chronicle article as your source, please update the personal section to include his present wife, occupation, and city of residence. D.E. Olcott (talk) 16:29, 29 November 2022 (UTC)