User talk:D. Recorder/Archive2

Turkish map
Why did you revert my edit of adding the map? Is there any particular reason please? Deff6 21:10, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Because in your next edit you deleted most the page. D. Recorder 21:12, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Coastal erosion
I was looking at this page; it seems like everything added to it after an edit of yours in March is vandalism, but I don't know what to do about it. Advice? Swanny18 15:26, 12 June 2007 (UTC)


 * It looks like the vandalism you noticed is in the history of the article and has since been reverted, and unfortunately most articles have a lot of vandalism in their histories. What I did when I was editing for hours every day is revert vandalism based on what I find with the recent changes button and my watchlist, but I'm not editing as much as I used to and I barely keep a watchlist anymore. See Help:Reverting, Vandalism, Help:Recent changes, and Help:Watching pages for more information. Regards, D. Recorder 19:18, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, you're right- the wonders of gestalt, hey? Anyway, thanks for the advice. Swanny18 08:52, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

VKhUTEMAS
Ta very much. I shall certainly have a go at adding bits, am rather busy at the mo but I always end up being reeled back in...best, Owenhatherley 20:46, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

And on the chair: it was designed in Tatlin's atelier at Vkutein, I'm not sure who the specific designer was though. Its from '27 I think. Owenhatherley 12:42, 31 July 2007 (UTC) Also: I'll try and find refs for Meyer and Scherper's Vkutemas connections, but may take a few days...Owenhatherley 12:52, 31 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Great article D. I've supported. Is there no mention of Proletkult because it's neither connected nor relevant? --Joopercoopers 13:09, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks. That's a very interesting observation that didn't come to mind during two months of research and writing. Considering it now I'm not sure, it seems that there would be overlap since they occurred in about the same same time period and in the same country. It appears to describe some of what was going on there, but I came across no explicit connections though they may exist. I'll look into it and double check in Russian. Regards, D. Recorder 20:41, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I think I've answered my question with this. It makes one reference to VKhUTEMAS -
 * "Participants in Proletkult workshops and studios were supported by scholarships in the 1920s, and most pursued their artistic work full time. The First Workers' Theater in Moscow was particularly successful in promoting its young artists to professional careers. The future National Artists of the Soviet Union, Maksim Shtraukh and Iuliia Glizer, as well as the famous film star Grigorii Aleksandrov all got their start in this organization.[43]


 * Nonetheless, the Proletkult continued to display ambivalence toward professionalization. Its artistic programs were idiosyncratic; they were designed to take their inspiration from nonprofessional circles.[44] More important, they were not integrated into the general Soviet educational system. When someone graduated from a workers' faculty or party school, it was clear what that meant, complained one participant from Ivanovo-Voznesensk. However, the social significance of Proletkult training was not immediately apparent to him. "I have to leave the Proletkult to join up with some Meyerhold or one of his many assistants or go to some VKhUTEMAS [Higher State Artistic and Technical Workshops] just to find out if I am or will become a real actor or artist with a credential in my pocket."[45]


 * When the Proletkult switched to trade union control in 1925, its creative work came under closer scrutiny. In general, union leaders were critical of the Proletkult's agitational and experimental style. They urged it to follow the paths of established professional groups more closely, particularly in the theater.[46] This evoked some positive responses from journalists in Workers' Club, who argued that proletarian audiences were growing tired of "naked agitation" and longed for welldeveloped characters and a clear plot line. However, central Proletkult leaders resolutely resisted conventional repertoires. Club theaters should stage agitational trials or compose literary montages from public documents and newspapers, urged V. M. Bliumenfeld of the Leningrad Proletkult. Valerian Pletnev believed that scripts of any kind would soon be a thing of the past.[47]"

regards --Joopercoopers 13:39, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Incidentally: yes it is a typo and should be 'maximal', and about 8) - well, annoyingly the Rodchenko book I used doesn't mention exactly what it was...best, Owenhatherley 14:35, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

No problem D. Happy holidays. If I get stuck I ask Owen, right? --Joopercoopers 07:02, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey D. It's been a quiet week - only Tony pitched in today - I gave the whole thing another copyedit as a result of his comments . Most of it seemed self evident - the only bit of which I was unsure of the gist was :-


 * orginally "MVTU was stronger for constructivism in architecture,[4] while Vkhutemas was based in the arts and design. Members of the OSA Group were divided between MVTU and Vkhutemas, participating in both schools."


 * which I've changed to:-


 * "MVTU was the stronger school for expounding constructivism in architecture,[28] while Vkhutemas applied it primarily to art and design. Members of the OSA Group were divided between MVTU and Vkhutemas and participated in both schools."


 * I'd also be grateful if you'd check the changes I make to the Academic Workshop section.


 * Trust you've had a nice time. Regards --Joopercoopers 13:57, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


 * You'll be please to learn on your return that Raul's just featured it. --Joopercoopers 15:17, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Architecture of the Song Dynasty
Great! That would be awesome if you could use your new books to help out this article. I put a good amount of work into it already. What exactly do you think it is lacking in? So far it covers Song Dynasty pagoda towers, bridges, tombs, Song literature on architecture, and architecture in Song artwork.-- Pericles of Athens  Talk 17:54, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Really, it looks very good so far, and I'm sure you could continue it successfully without my help. It might take me more than a week to get up to speed from working on other things. Well here's what I'm thinking at the moment. Since it is an imperial subject it should emphasise information on palaces and urban planning in capitol cities. The title makes it sound like it would be the architecture of the dynasty as opposed to architecture in [the years of] the dynasty. It seems more like the latter, about architecture in the time period not of the dynasty. From Chinese Palaces I found mention of Kaifeng Imperial Palace (東京大内皇宮), imperial palace of the Northern Song Dynasty and Hangzhou Imperial Palace (臨安大内禁宮), imperial palace of the Southern Song Dynasty. Both of which are red links at the moment, so more information about these is desirable. Another type of building to add in addition to palaces to the coverage may be temples. The Confucian temple in Qufu, was expanded under the Song Dynasty, and maybe the Song additions can be described in the text and determined and highlighted on a version of this or this  map. These look like good additional references  —if I were spending time on this I would use them. But like I said, it might take me a couple of weeks of research before I get started, but you have my offer to help. D. Recorder 19:54, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * In light of your suggestions, I think I will have to expand the architecture article. However, it is going to take some time, as I am working on other articles at the moment, particularly the article for Augustus. Feel free to make any necessary edits to the architecture article in the meantime if you feel something crucial is missing in the prose, let alone an entire important section that should be added, such as palatial architecture and city planning. There is some mentioning already in the pagoda and literature sections about Chinese temple and palace halls, but it does not go into thorough detail. The illustrations from Li Jie's book certainly help.-- Pericles of Athens  Talk 21:12, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Keep up the good work
Hi, David, I noticed your name pop up in my Russian Wikipedia watchlist and decided to say hi. Have I seen you in English Wikipedia before? --Ghirla-трёп- 07:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Privet Andrey, nice to hear from you. Yes, I think we first met around some articles about French chateaux, a while ago. Maybe I remember you more than you remember me. I used to edit under a different username, which as you may have noticed I still use on the Russian and most other language wikis when I add interwiki links. Since then I haven't been editing as much, compared to my recent changes days. I have been busy in real life, including taking Russian classes, but I find the time for a few articles here and there and a few interwiki links. Thanks for the message, D. Recorder 04:21, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Ten Great Buildings
Fascinating page, and I will be very interested to work on it. I am away from home at the moment and fairly busy, but I will try to add as much information as I can. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 06:49, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Have started working from a special photographic series published by the People's Daily in 2004. Will continue working on it. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 13:45, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Image:GlassPavilion.jpg
The image Image:GlassPavilion.jpg seems to be missing a source. Could you please provide one. // Liftarn


 * I found it on de:. Go ahead and delete it, there are plenty of other copies on the web to upload again later with everything sorted out.D. Recorder 05:15, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Chinese architecture
Feel free to use any of the information found in any article that I have ever edited. You can attribute it to me if you'd like. I'll look at it after you're done as well.-- Pericles of Athens  Talk 07:34, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

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As always your efforts are always appreciated, even if you haven't done a DYK since September that I can see, it's better late then never. Happy editing, Knowledge Of Self  |  talk  05:23, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks :-) I have one DYK that will be on in a day or two. D. Recorder 05:29, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Let me know when it does please, I look forward to reading it. Knowledge Of Self  |  talk  19:16, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It should be any time now, the article is Juan Bautista Villalpando, you can read it now if you want. D. Recorder 23:01, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Peer rev
I've now responded to your comments at Peer review/Catherine de' Medici's building projects/archive1. qp10qp 23:57, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes I noticed. Very thoughtful responses to all the comments at what looks like a model peer rev, and there is still more time. I had one once that didn't get a single comment apart from the automated one. If I can think of anymore to write about this topic, I know where to go, but I can't think of anymore right now. D. Recorder 19:42, 13 November 2007 (UTC)