User talk:DANZIG666

The Cartridge Family
Look I know that what you're adding is true, I've seen (and numerous other cuts) myself, but, frustratingly, that isn't enough. A blog and a Google groups post are not in any way reliable sources (see WP:RS and WP:V). It seems ridiculous, but it's the rules here, unless a reliable, respected publisher or website states something then it cannot be included. There's a tonne of stuff I know is true (mainly cultural references) but isn't mentioned anywhere reliable, so I was I could just start a blog to source it, but I can't. As a general rule, unless something has been mentioned by a reliable, respected publisher or website, then it shouldn't be included because it is not notable. Gran2 16:24, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

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Bad Dream No.13
I redirected the articles in question as they are comprised entirely of track listings and have no indication of notability. This is in accordance with NMG, a guideline that pertains to albums in particular. I did a search to see if there was any indication in a reliable source that the albums would meet the general notability guidelines, and therefore be there was no indication. None of the sources that you added qualify as reliable sources and are not significant coverage. Please do not revert the redirects until you have found something that qualifies as significant coverage in a reliable source that is independent of the album/artist/record production company. You can post it here, or on my talk page first if you wish. I would be happy to help any way I can. --kelapstick (talk) 18:09, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Still none of the sources that you have added are reliable sources ← Read that, and they do not qualify as significant coverage. An example of a reliable sources is a newspaper.  An example of a non-reliable source is a CD Sales site.  Significant coverage is a review of the album (in a newspaper/magazine), Significant coverage is not a track listing on a sales site, or Yahoo music.--kelapstick (talk) 18:40, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

www.the7thhouse.com is a reliable source, as it is the authorised official fan site for the band Danzig. I was using the CD sales site and Yahoo music as references to prove the track listing, and to prove that it is indeed an album by the artist in question. I consider Yahoo to be a reliable source. As long as it is proven that the album exists I do not see a problem. Otherwise would be to imply that any album which is not a "pop" record receiving mainstream coverage should not have an article and in effect does not exist. I have checked other Wikipedia pages and there are countless articles for albums that have no sources or references whatsoever, and they have not been redirected back to the artist article. I assume this is due to the Wikipedia contributors who 1) have a knowledge of the relevant artists and 2) have viewed said articles having no reason to challenge them, being that the articles are factual. In any case I have now added an additional independent source that includes a link to press reviews.DANZIG666 (talk) 00:33, 16 September 2009 (UTC)


 * A fan site is not a reliable source. Period.  CD Sales sites are not reliable sources.  Period.  MySpace blogs are not reliable sources.  Period.  You can ask any editor here, they will tell you the exact same thing.  Nobody is denying that the albums exist, however they do not meet the threshold for inclusion for a stand alone article on Wikipedia, I have linked to the relevent guidelines, which judging by your continued reversal of my edits, you have not read.  I am going to link it again, read the general notability guideline and the reliable source guideline.  The only thing that may qualify is the allmusic link, however significant coverage is NOT simply a track listing, which is what the allmusic guide is.  What link is a press review?  Simply adding more sales sites does not mean that they are reliable sources.  You are not understanding the concept of Wikipedia here.--kelapstick (talk) 01:27, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Also if other articles are here that don't meet the inclusion criteria, that doesn't mean that all albums should have independent articles, it means we should probably redirect those albums to the artists page too. See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS as a deletion/keep argument.  It doesn't hold water.--kelapstick (talk) 01:29, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Another comment, if you do have a link to a press review, put it here so I can take a look at it, there is a good chance that it would help the article.--kelapstick (talk) 01:43, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I have done some formatting on the references in those four album articles. You should take a look at Citation templates to see how they are typically formatted, also there is a neat tool called reftool that makes it quite simple (you activate it under your preferences, gadgets). Based on two of the reviews you brought out (one from Metal Invader and one from Gothic Blend) I have no issues with Bad Dream No. 13 and That's All There Is. If you could find something similar for Kinda Country and The Blood and the Body that would make a huge difference, because right now the only appropriate source is Allmusic, and that is a pretty week one right now since all it has is a track listing. A few notes (as I had mentioned above), you can not use a sales site as a reference, it is considered advertising and is contrary to a few guidelines that we have here, namely WP:SPAM and External Links. Also blogs by the artist are not considered reliable sources as they are not independent. If you have any questions about any of this or need any help with the articles let me know, I am happy to help. --kelapstick (talk) 15:59, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing up the citations on these pages. On closer inspection the Allmusic link for The Blood and the Body does also feature an album review in addition to the track list, so I imagine that will make the source suitable in this instance. I will see what else I can find for the Kinda Country album.DANZIG666 (talk) 16:34, 16 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I had to fix the URL to Ink 19, but it works now. Good luck with Kinda Country, let me know if you have any questions.--kelapstick (talk) 16:55, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

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Peter Steele
Hi, DANZIG666. I noticed your contributions to the Peter Steele article. I think the article is in really good shape. One of the things I've looked for but haven't found is a few good sources about Peter's depression. All Type O Negative fans seem to know this, and I even recall Peter discussing it in some interviews at some point, but I haven't been able to find a good source for that. I think this article is close to achieving Good Article status but this particular fact would definitely need a few citations. You're probably a fan like I was... still sad for me that he's gone. I haven't felt as strong about a musician since Layne Staley died. Jason Quinn (talk) 21:37, 2 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for adding those links but I was concerned about "clinical depression" and "psychiatric treatment". Both which I believe are true but since they are strong claims, they need strong sources to back them up. I'm going to keep an eye out until I find something. Jason Quinn (talk) 00:03, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

I've added a source that specifically states "clinical depression". I've also just added a quote from Peter himself taken from an interview in 2007 in which he talks about his depression. DANZIG666 (talk) 00:29, 3 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Excellent. Thank you. What is your assessment for the article? Do you think it's ready to be assessed for Good Article status? Does anything stand out as missing or incomplete to you? It'd be great if we could get this to Featured Article status, maybe even on the main page. That'd probably impact a lot of people who haven't learned about his death yet. Jason Quinn (talk) 01:49, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't think there is too much missing, perhaps a little more about his early life. I agree with you that the article could be a contender for Good Article status. DANZIG666 (talk) 03:17, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of List of guests on Tom Green's House Tonight


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It's never stated in the movie that Foster was laid off.
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Hi, the last thing I wanted was to start an edit war with you, so I'll just lay this out as nicely as I can. ASCD gives Danzig credit as the writer only. Not the composer, and there is a difference. While it is the ONLY credit given, and believable, it still doesn't specifically cite the exact words to make this assumption. I've been told that ASCD and AllMusic are reliable sources, but they still don't hold the exact wording I'm looking for. That's why I think we should just assume the other band mates had some credit with some songs. While nowhere does it say that, it seems more than an appropriate assumption to make to me. Surely they had atleast some improvision of their own. Or just give Danzig the writing credits. It may seem like a small detail to pick at, but that's just my style as an editor: nailing every detail down to point. Come to my Talk page for a visit on this matter. WestBounce (talk) 23:28, 22 March 2013 (UTC)WestBounce


 * Following your request for more exact wording, I have searched around and have found that on the album credits at AllMusic they do refer to Glenn Danzig as the composer for this album. Please find the link here: http://www.allmusic.com/album/november-coming-fire-mw0000271998/credits. As this credits Glenn Danzig using the specific word "composer" I hope this will be acceptable. DANZIG666 (talk) 02:54, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Believe me, I saw that, but the track listing here: http://www.allmusic.com/album/november-coming-fire-mw0000271998 only has the name under four of them. Why would it just be four? If it's a mistake, don't you think they would have fixed it by now? I cannot help but to think there is something missing here. WestBounce (talk) 04:39, 23 March 2013 (UTC)WestBounce

You could however, edit the Initium and Final Descent articles which Allmusic says he composed all the tracks for except number 8 on Descent which he had collaborated on with Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller. WestBounce (talk) 04:49, 23 March 2013 (UTC)WestBounce


 * I've gone ahead and added the writing credits to the Initium and Final Descent articles as suggested. DANZIG666 (talk) 18:21, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

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Chuck Biscuits
Twice you've undone my edits concerning Chuck's birthdate. I won't bother correcting it again, but you should be aware of a few things for your own edification. First, I went to high school with Chuck at Bby North. He was not born in B.C., or even in Canada, he was born in California. In fact, I recall his parents moving back there at some point. Second, he was not born in 1965. If he were, he'd have been 12 years old when he joined DOA. Which I hope you can appreciate is ridiculous. Chuck was born in 1963. Third, I provided a solid, irrefutable reference to my edit that shows his birth record indexed in California. Both his brothers are listed there as well. How you could undo the edit without at least checking those is beyond me. Lastly, I'm pretty sure Chuck is laughing his arse off, just like he was when that Greene character made the same mistake you are. Subsequent to that fiasco I sent Greene the facts, which he had no problem correcting. At least he understands what a source is. Anyway, although you're purporting facts that are patently false, at least you're giving Chuck a couple of extra years to work with. Perhaps I'll edit my Wiki article similarly?John.W.H.Thompson (talk) 22:23, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

I apologise if the source I gave is incorrect. Could you give the links to Ken and Bob to somehow show that it is the correct Charles Montgomery? I will happily revert back to your version myself.DANZIG666 (talk) 17:30, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

No apology necessary. I recall Chuck once claiming in an interview that he was 12 when he joined DOA (in early '78), but I was sure he was joking. I guess no one else picked up on that. Here are the index entries for the Montgomery brothers: http://www.californiabirthindex.org/birth/kenneth_v_montgomery_born_1957_6283079 http://www.californiabirthindex.org/birth/robert_c_montgomery_born_1961_7732346 http://www.californiabirthindex.org/birth/charles_k_montgomery_born_1963_8511014

As mentioned previously his parents moved back to L.A. The brothers stayed in Van, but Chuck later moved down and lived with them for a while in the 80s. Further to this age confusion, you might also want to check out the footage of DOA at Stanley Park taken July 1, 1978. It's on YouTube. According to the popular narrative, he would have just turned 13. Har de har.

In a separate vein, I note your article makes no mention of his stint with the Circle Jerks. He played with them for a couple of years. He also appeared with them in the movie, 'Repo Man', and is listed in the credits.John.W.H.Thompson (talk) 08:13, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

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