User talk:DBD/Archive 18

December 2011 – January 2012

Re: Edward, Prince of Wales
I'm really sorry, I had no idea. I changed everything back. Please contact me if there are any more issues. Yours truly, --Alexcoldcasefan (talk) 17:01, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

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Northern Ireland flag
You may not be aware that the Ulster Banner is no longer the official flag for Northern Ireland. That flag is seen as a symbol of Ulster loyalism, and to use that next to Cardinal Brady's name in the List of living cardinals page is offensive to the Catholic communities either side of the border. Instead the Union Flag is used to represent Northern Ireland - see List of flags used in Northern Ireland. So although the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Armagh covers only part of the United Kingdom (i.e. Northern Ireland) the Union flag is used. It is the same with the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of New York where the Flag of the United States is used not the Flag of New York. Scrivener-uki (talk) 10:43, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I am completely aware of that. A few years ago, I kept up with a "heated debate" about the Ulster banner. The solution is not to use the UK flag template. Thankfully, the NI flag template has a union parameter – what say we suck it and see? DBD 11:20, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm happy with the union parameter used, and probably exceptable with others. We'll have to see. Scrivener-uki (talk) 12:08, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Adoptee
I just noticed your offer, now. I agree to your being my mentor. GoodDay (talk) 20:08, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

GoodDay
I noticed you offered to mentor GoodDay. Do you want to do this together? I'm not so bothered if you want to do it alone, however. Steven  Zhang  Join the DR army! 22:46, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Latest mentorship candidate
Can you please both have a word with him re: this. Thanks. Daicaregos (talk) 15:29, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It is done. DBD 15:37, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated. Daicaregos (talk) 10:26, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

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hi what was the matter to my edits on James, Viscount Severn? Thanks.--Chip123456 (talk) 14:50, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Hullo there, Chip (I guess). Sorry, the edit summary should've read something like there is no need for repetition. We know his full name from the opening paragraph and we know that he has no (or does not use, depending on who you ask) HRH from the lengthy paragraph in Titles and styles discussing exactly that issue. DBD 14:58, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Ok thanks. --Chip123456 (talk) 15:03, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Phillips and Knight/Dame hoods
Hi that's fine they have no royal title, however are member of the House of Windsor.

I thought that with knight hoods one will keep ones title as with The Rt Hon The Lord Sugar, Baron Sugar still has his Kt (knight bachelor) after his name. Also Dame Kelly Homes DBE MBE still has the MBE after her name. Is the article wrong or are there some exceptions. Confused :) ta --Chip123456 (talk) 11:33, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * No, they have no royal title and they are also not members of the House of Windsor. The two are connected but not causally – they are not-royal because their mother (not their father) is royal and they are not-Windsors because their mother (not their father) was a Windsor.
 * "The Rt Hon The Lord Sugar Kt" bears both styles Lord and Kt because they are unrelated. Dame Kelly Holmes DBE MBE(Mil) is exceptional – she holds an MBE (Military Division) for military service and her Damehood (civil division) for service to sports. Because they are in separate divisions of the same order, she can have, keep and wear both. In most cases, like The Earl of Selborne GBE, an individual who receives a higher grade (of the same division of the same order) will cease to have, keep or wear the lower grade – in fact, in order to receive the higher grade, the recipient must first return the actual insignia of the lower grade. DBD 21:17, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Ok thanks. --Thanks Chip123456. (talk) 16:05, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi please look at the discussion of the British Royal Family template. Regards --Ta, Chip 123456 (talk) 10:10, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

National emblem
Myself & Daicaregos are continuing to disagree at that article. I'll need your eyes there, to monitor my conduct. GoodDay (talk) 17:19, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

AG's brought the UK constituent countries into the discussion. I'll have to stay away from it ('til mid-January). GoodDay (talk) 22:03, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Although you did go back five times after posting this comment to add a little more to the discussion, didn't you. Jamesinderbyshire (talk) 10:04, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm continuing to stay away from the UK&I stuff. I've only been interested in the Quebec discussion. GoodDay (talk) 16:55, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I think that Jamesinderbyshire is pointing out that you are saying one thing ("I'll have to stay away from it") and doing another. Carson101 (talk) 16:59, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I am staying away from it (E/S/W/NI). GoodDay (talk) 17:04, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

GoodDay's mentor
Being a mentor for GoodDay I wonder if you think this comment was appropriate. Especially on a discussion that GoodDay started. Part of GoodDay's problem was his tendency to accuse editors of pushing a nationalist POV and yet lo and behold, you come along and set him a bad example by doing just that. If you have become his mentor for the express purpose of defending his POV and backing his unfounded claims then I would suggest that you are not fit to mentor him. One more thing. I also noticed you edit warring when you did not have agreement on the talk page. . Well done, you have now given GoodDay a green light to go back to his old ways. Carson101 (talk) 15:50, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * So is everyone supposed to just pretend that the rampant nationalist and unionist POV-pushing isn't happening just because people have trouble with the way GD deals with it? Also, what you called edit warring wasn't really edit warring at all. DBD made a change with an explanation. Another editor reverted with a non-explanation explanation: "Undid revision 468164807 by DBD (talk)There is no agreement for that change", but without actually noting any reason for disagreement. DBD restored it, noting the lack of substantive disagreement. BRD, which is an essay, not a policy, is helpful when there is a substantive disagreement. That was not the case here. Attempting to ferret out whether there is an actual disagreement, versus mere reflexive defense of the article, while restoring an edit is not edit warring. -Rrius (talk) 19:07, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm going away for a few days. Carson, your concerns have been noted read. Rrius, cheers for the defence – sometimes I just can't be bothered myself, so it was genuinely lovely to see someone else had done it! DBD 07:25, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

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I had an unexpected visit by an IP, at my talkpage. But, I think I handled it correctly. What's your opinon? GoodDay (talk) 06:58, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Portland Winterhawks
Howdy Steven DBD. Would you give me some advice on how to handle my current dispute with Djsasso? GoodDay (talk) 17:58, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Why of course, Mary DBD 17:58, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I suggest you back off for a little while. It may take me a while to figure out how to deal with this – for what is a guideline when it is merely ignored? DBD 18:06, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * @DBD, why hello there Steven! Steven   Zhang  Join the DR army! 20:19, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It's so frustrating. I fear that Djsasso might be deliberately carrying on this way, in hopes of getting me topic-banned or worst. You're right though, there's no way to reason with him (when he's in his current mood) & it's best I stand back. Let others at WP:HOCKEY have a say. GoodDay (talk) 18:09, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

On a related note: I'm being harrassed by Djsasso, on my talkpage. How should I handle this situation? GoodDay (talk) 17:03, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * On the contrary I am being harrassed by you on your talk page. -DJSasso (talk) 17:04, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Now he's stalking me. GoodDay (talk) 17:06, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * No I am defending myself from your constant harassment and attempts to bully me. -DJSasso (talk) 17:08, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

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From/Until dates
Why are you suddenly putting full dates in the From/Until boxes in the lists of bishops? There are so different types of dates: appointed, elected, translated, succeeded, retired, death date, etc. The List of Archbishops of Canterbury is a mess with different types of dates. In fact I've given up that list as a bad job. It much easier on the eye with the basic year on its own, with the full dates in the notes box, that's what the notes box is for. But, without any consensus, you have taken yourself to add full dates. Scrivener-uki (talk) 18:08, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I've been wary of starting dates – I think I've been only adding full starting dates when they're been translated from somewhere rather than elected, consecrated or whatever. Ending dates are much more clear-cut, in that one either dies or retires effective from a specific date... DBD 18:32, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The From/Until columns look much clearer with just the year dates. As I said above, it is much easier on the eye. A mixture of full dates and year dates together in the From/Until columns looks clumsy. Other websites have the basic From/Until year dates, e.g. History files: Archbishops of Canterbury, British History Online: Bishops of London, or Diocese of Galway: History of the Diocese. Ideally it would be great with consistant full dates, but it is not possible. With some bishops there isn't even an actual year, just a general time period, e.g. between 852 to 856. How about going back to the basic years for the From/Until columns? Scrivener-uki (talk) 19:26, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, sure. No worries. DBD 20:01, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

A new Gnome
I've found my Wiki calling. GoodDay (talk) 21:46, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

PS: MY agreed 'self-imposed' tem-ban from the British & Irish political articles, has expired. GoodDay (talk) 04:48, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Talk:List of Archbishops of Canterbury
Might be of interest... Ealdgyth - Talk 20:20, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

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Welsh language
I've made an edit & a comment at that article, with the knowledge that an editor is already there, to whom he & I have had difficulties in the the past. I'll need ya to keep an eye on my conduct, as this is an area that can be tricky. GoodDay (talk) 20:17, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm going to do the safer thing & drop out of that article, as apparently I've ran into 'the wall' again. GoodDay (talk) 15:33, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Good decision DBD 15:39, 31 January 2012 (UTC)