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 * s-aft|after=Hans-Josef Becker

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 * 20130}}, the youngest member of the House of Lords is Nat Lord Wei. http://www.parliament.uk/about/faqs/house-of-lords-faqs/lords-members/ Parliament.UK – House of

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 * | consecrated by = Angelo Sodano Card. Sec. of State

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 * | co-consecrators     = Alejo Benedicto Gilligan  Nueve de Julio

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 * | consecrated by      = James Keane  Dubuque

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 * Mejía]] (Sec. Cong. Epis. & Sec. Coll. Card. )

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 * | consecrated_by = {{red|&#91;}} [Pope Callixtus II]

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 * by      = Amleto Giovanni Cicognani ([Apostolic Nunciature to the United States|Apos. Del.] {{red|&#93;}} )

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 * Thornes|The Lord Hope of Thornes]] lives in Hellifield, N. Yorks in the neighbouring Diocese of Bradford and is also licensed as an honorary assistant bishop in

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Thurstan
Not sure what you did but you broke the infobox and it's now not displaying at all. I tried to find the issue, but can't see it and must head out shortly. Ealdgyth - Talk 19:28, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Stray bracket. Sorry, sorted now. Thanks. DBD 19:31, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * No worries. Didn't want to just revert - but it was definitely something needing fixed. Thanks for finding it! Ealdgyth - Talk 20:32, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Military Medal and Bar
Hello DBD,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Military Medal and Bar for deletion, because it appears to duplicate an existing Wikipedia article, :.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Barney the barney barney (talk) 19:04, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

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Disambiguating bishops and archbishops
Please stop moving pages with the dab phrase "(bishop of X)" to "(Bishop of X)" or "(archbishop of X)" to "(Archbishop of X)". Without any discussion or consesus you altered the guidelines on Naming conventions (clergy), which I have reverted. I've also moved back a number pages you have made, and I will continue to revert any moves. If you do not like or disagree with the guidelines then start a discussion about them on Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (clergy) where other editors may come to consensus to change/alter the guidelines. You do not make unilateral changes to suit your own point of view, because otherwise everyone will start doing that. Scrivener-uki (talk) 21:03, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I take exception to both the tone and content of your last sentence: you know BRD as well as I and we shall proceed to D as soon as I can summon the wherewithal to lay out my arguments. "You do not" is a tone of reprimand reserved primarily for children; you do not address that tone towards your equals. Kindly remember your courtesy. DBD 23:25, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
 * In hindsight, knowing now how you took that last sentence to be a reprimand, I should have worded it differently. The "You do not" was not meant to be a reprimand to you personally, but meant to people in general. It's like saying "You do not need a ticket for this bus". It was meant for people in general and not for individuals. I know you an excellent editor and have made many contributions to Wikipedia, but I was, still am, disappointed that you edited a guidelines page without consulting anyone. I should have given more thought when writing the message. Scrivener-uki (talk) 01:53, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Being reassured of your intended tone, I can only apologise for over-reacting and for failing to assume good faith. See you on the ice! DBD 09:18, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

WP:BISHOP
The guideline explicitly shows lower-case "bishop", giving the example of William Turner (bishop of Salford). It reads: "Note that the lower-case in 'bishop' does not apply to use of an episcopal title ('Bishop of London') in article text". It does apply, however, to disambiguation. Srnec (talk) 21:05, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Saibo Mabo


A tag has been placed on Saibo Mabo requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), web content or organised event, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

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The Lord Lloyd Webber
Even you noted Debrett's is an esteemed source. Did you check the link? It also clearly noted the distinction between title and style, however both are acceptable in the WP headline. Additionally, it appears that you ignored the longstanding heading in the infobox as well. As for Debrett's being a secondary source, it is supported by several primary sources, notably the official website for Parliament. I'll be happy to include that source on the BLP. 107.214.30.15 (talk) 21:23, 22 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm also well aware of life peerages, both in practice and policy. Also I'm well aware of WP's policy regarding sources. I linked to reliable sources. Your issue doesn't appear to be with me, but with Debrett's and more notably with the UK's Parliament. As for style, you should note that Parliament's website also recognized Thatcher as Baroness Thatcher. However, she was obviously decorated far more than Lloyd Webber and not all life peers are created equal. She was also belonged to the Orders of Garter and Merit and was a PC member. Lord Lloyd Webber's own website, I should note, also lists him as, "the Lord Lloyd Webber (of Sydmonton)". So I really don't know what more you need. Parliament is wrong and he himself is wrong, in your estimation? Seems an incredibly implausible stretch to me. 107.214.30.15 (talk) 22:10, 22 October 2013 (UTC)


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Easson's 1 and 2
What a terrible error on my part. I'm off to the pub: I may be gone some time Bashereyre (talk) 07:44, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

November 2013
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Douro
Assuming you're the same DBD elsewhere then the answer is 'of' has been used with that peerage and with others of the same type for centuries. The first duke's son is listed in the coronation processions with 'of' and it has continued since. But then its not so very far from other peerages where wholly invented titles come and go. Earl Nelson's heir used Viscount Trafalgar for the C19. Garlicplanting (talk) 15:10, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes I am, and thanks. Spooky. DBD 22:48, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * NP. For the avoidance of doubt the 'of' was not included in the patent because it would have implied sovereignty. But I don't think social/court usage of 'of' has every been considered an issue Garlicplanting (talk) 10:45, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

James Morris Beaufort
Jimmy Beaufort is there any evidence he was known as Jimmy rather than James? Wayne Jayes 18:16, 16 November 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Waynejayes (talk • contribs)
 * lmgtfy.com/?q=Jimmy+Beaufort+Dean+of+Grahamstown+-Wikipedia Yes. DBD 18:22, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Wayne Jayes 18:29, 16 November 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Waynejayes (talk • contribs)