User talk:DBD/Archive 29

November 2015–April 2016

Michael Curry
Would you care to contribute to the discussion regarding the naming of Michael Bruce Curry vs Michael Curry (bishop) at Talk:Michael Bruce Curry ? You did do a move previously and thus may have a point of view. Wayne Jayes (talk) 06:28, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Archdeacon of Grahamstown Template
Created by a chap who works at G'Town Cathedral. My hunch is that these people are all Ads in diff parts of the Diocese. Also these days a lot of dioceses have ADs of Mission, Outreach etc Basher — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.224.27.229 (talk) 17:31, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, cripes. That'll be fun, then. DBD 18:35, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Andrew Hunter (priest) is dean of Grahamstown and ex-officio archdeacon of the cathedral, he was until recently archdeacon of the archdeaconry of Grahamstown which is part of the diocese of Grahamstown. The are 10 other archdeaconries in the diocese of Grahamstown. There is only one "special" archdeacon, namely Bubele Mfenyana who is archdeacon to the ordinary, all the other archdeacons are the common or garden variety of archdeacons. Hope this help to clarify any confusion that you and/or User:Bashereyre may have had. Wayne Jayes (talk) 20:38, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks loads, Wayne. That's really helpful. I've looked at the diocese's website and done this: Template:Archdeacons in the Diocese of Grahamstown. DBD 22:24, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I love that East London East. Betty Boothroyd was MP for West Bromwich West!Bashereyre (talk) 12:20, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

That rubbish
I'd like to think that the sight of that rubbish helped Risker's decision, but I may well have bothered or annoyed you by drawing extra eyes to it unnecessarily. I do apologise. NebY (talk) 16:06, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Not at all. None necessary. DBD 16:47, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!
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WP:GNL edits
I am confused by your multiple edits about clergy changing "female(s)" to "woman" and "women" based on WP:GNL. I cannot find anything in GNL which clearly supports this mass change. In fact GNL includes examples of using "female" with reference to women. Please clarify your understanding of GNL as I find many of your changes are making the text unnecessarily complex. Afterwriting (talk) 23:30, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, of course. I am editing out the "Uncommon gender-marked terms" woman/women bishop/s and female bishops and replacing them with phrases without "the possible implication that the participation of the subject's gender is uncommon, unexpected or somehow inappropriate". DBD 23:34, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * This is a highly strained interpretation in my view. Changing "female bishops" or "women bishops" to "women as bishops" etc is a distinction without a difference and not what is intended by GNL. It also makes the text grammatically convoluted. Afterwriting (talk) 23:46, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Better grammatically convoluted than implying what that essay warns against, for very good reason: there is no such thing as a woman bishop; there are women who are bishops and bishops who are women. DBD 23:49, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm going to bed now. Feel free to ask other editors what they think (especially if they are particularly well-versed in such matters). DBD 23:53, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * There is nothing incorrect in itself about referring to "women bishops" (or "male nurses"). The simple point which GNL is  making is that editors should not write things such as "Barbara Harris is a woman/female bishop" instead of "Barbara Harris is a bishop" or "Joe Bloggs is a male nurse" instead of "Joe Bloggs is a nurse." Afterwriting (talk) 00:58, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
 * As such we obviously disagree on interpretation. Shall we involve some others? DBD 16:08, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

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Crockford's
We've got a template for that! DBD 15:43, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Many thanks DBD
Like the Dropkick Murphys I am usually "the last one to know"! Bashereyre (talk) 18:03, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

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All the best for 2016
Let me know well in advance when and where you are to be ordained: I will do my best to get thereBashereyre (talk) 20:32, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * And also with you, comrade. I shall. DBD 20:57, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

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Please clarify
At Template talk:Infobox you made a comment in the Support/Oppose section labeled "dissent". Could you please change that to "Support":, "Oppose" or "Neutral" so that we don't have to have a long discussion about what your !vote actually was? Thanks! --Guy Macon (talk) 18:41, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

honorific-suffix
Hi DBD, you've just reverted my addition of a post-nom in the infobox of Michael Ipgrave. I'm confused as to why you have done this? You cited MOS:HONORIFIC in the edit summary but there is nothing on that page that states not to include post-noms in infoboxes. In fact, it seems to sway the other way: "Post-nominal letters, other than those denoting academic degrees, should be included when they are issued by a country or widely recognizable organization with which the subject has been closely associated" (as per WP:POSTNOM). Gaia Octavia AgrippaTalk 19:24, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I suppose I knew that wasn't written in the policy. I think it was just an intuition. I dunno, I just feel like a bishop's OBE isn't quite relevant enough for the infobox? Especially when it's in the lead anyway? It's not a ditch I'll die in though, so you can reinstate if it bothers you enough. However, inserting size=100% into the post/prenoms templates does bother me a little — surely if those were intended generally to display at full size, they would be programmed to? DBD 21:00, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Just checking. I've been known to miss a line or two when reading so it could have been there! I always treat the infobox as if its the first thing people read. Not only because many people find a nice table easier to read than a wall of text, but also because it IS the first thing in an article that appears when one reads Wikipedia on a smart phone (or a dodgy old/small tablet). I will re-add it to the infobox for the previous reason and because it is a national honour and does therefore belong after his name (even if he doesn't use it in day to day life like some celebrities do).
 * As per the 100%: the template was originally developed for those with lots of post-noms (eg generals) because it was talking up way too much space at the start of an article when someone tries to edit it. Its also set to be 80% (I think) so that the post-noms take up less space in the first sentence of an article; eg Ninian Stephen. For those with only a small number (up to three) there is no need to make them take up less space and therefore the size=100% gets added. For infoboxes, it might not seem like it, but there is 'shrinkage' coded into it for the pre/post-noms parameter, and therefore by leaving it at default they become very small rather than just slightly smaller. I've noticed the 'shrinkage' varies between infoboxes but its definitely there. I think the problem with the Christian Leader infobox, is that those two parameters are both small and bold, while most infoboxes are just small. I think I'll put a comment somewhere asking for the bold to be removed and that should make things better. Unless you known how to change something like that? The Ninian Stephen infobox shows how the post noms are slightly smaller even though the template is set at 100%. Sorry I've gone on a bit, Gaia Octavia AgrippaTalk 23:08, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Douglas Milmine
We just need to Wikipediaise it. Will look again this evening.Bashereyre (talk) 06:47, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

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Dean of Leicester
David Montecito? Viv Full? What were you reading, mate?! :P DBD 21:59, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Can I blame it on senility?
As of last week, I can take my pension under that nice Mr Osborne's new rules! On another note, I am reading an excellent book at the moment: "A nearly infallible history of Christianity" by Nick Page

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Five years later...
Bit of a clanger :( DBD 23:30, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Ha ha!
Enclose a recent snapshot of myself Bashereyre (talk) 12:36, 30 April 2016 (UTC)