User talk:DBD/Archive 35

June – November 2019

Happy First Edit Day!
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Hawker of Morwenstow
I'm not convinced that Robert Hawker (poet) is the proper title for the article, so I've started a discussion on the talk page. DuncanHill (talk) 15:51, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Ok, great. Thanks DBD 15:53, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Common name moves
Seeing a lot of page moves pop up on my monitoring system. Here are some:


 * 1) Thomas Frederick Tout --> Thomas Tout
 * 2) Francis Wrigley Hirst --> Francis Hirst
 * 3) Cecil Frances Alexander --> Cecil Alexander (hymnist)
 * 4) Arthur Lionel Smith --> Arthur Smith (historian)
 * 5) Fenton John Anthony Hort --> Fenton Hort
 * 6) Robert William Seton-Watson --> Robert Seton-Watson
 * 7) John William Fortescue --> John Fortescue (historian)
 * 8) Robert Stephen Hawker --> Robert Hawker (poet)
 * 9) Thomas Little Heath --> Thomas Heath (classicist)
 * 10) Adolphus William Ward --> Adolphus Ward
 * 11) Robert Smythe Hichens --> Robert Hichens (writer)

It seems the strategy is to remove everything but the first and last word. However is this accurate, is this really the common name they were known by? For example we know C. S. Lewis by three names not C. Lewis. Or JRR Tolkien. etc.. one has to be cautious. Let's take a look at some.


 * 1) . In these books he is known as "T. F. Tout". Never published/known as "T. Tout" or "Thomas Tout".
 * 2) . In these books he is known as "Francis W. Hirst". Never published/known as "Francis Hirst".
 * 3) . In these books [https://archive.org/search.php?query=%28%28subject%3A%22Alexander%2C%20Cecil%20Frances%22%20OR%20subject%3A%22Alexander%2C%20Cecil%20F%2E%22%20OR%20subject%3A%22Alexander%2C%20C%2E%20F%2E%22%20OR%20subject%3A%22Cecil%20Frances%20Alexander%22%20OR%20subject%3A%22Cecil%20F%2E%20Alexander%22%20OR%20subject%3A%22C%2E%20F%2E%20Alexander%22%20OR%20subject%3A%22Alexander%2C%20Cecil%22%20OR%20subject%3A%22Cecil%20Alexander%22%20OR%20creator%3A%22Cecil%20Frances%20Alexander%22%20OR%20creator%3A%22Cecil%20F%2E%20Alexander%22%20OR%20creator%3A%22C%2E%20F%2E%20Alexander%22%20OR%20creator%3A%22C%2E%20Frances%20Alexander%22%20OR%20creator%3A%22Alexander%2C%20Cecil%20Frances%22%20OR%20creator%3A%22Alexander%2C%20Cecil%20F%2E%22%20OR%20creator%3A%22Alexander%2C%20C%2E%20F%2E%22%20OR%20creator%3A%22Alexander%2C%20C%2E%20Frances%22%20OR%20creator%3A%22Cecil%20Alexander%22%20OR%20creator%3A%22Alexander%2C%20Cecil%22%20OR%20title%3A%22Cecil%20Frances%20Alexander%22%20OR%20title%3A%22Cecil%20F%2E%20Alexander%22%20OR%20title%3A%22C%2E%20F%2E%20Alexander%22%20OR%20title%3A%22Cecil%20Alexander%22%20OR%20description%3A%22Cecil%20Frances%20Alexander%22%20OR%20description%3A%22Cecil%20F%2E%20Alexander%22%20OR%20description%3A%22C%2E%20F%2E%20Alexander%22%20OR%20description%3A%22Alexander%2C%20Cecil%20Frances%22%20OR%20description%3A%22Alexander%2C%20Cecil%20F%2E%22%20OR%20description%3A%22Cecil%20Alexander%22%20OR%20description%3A%22Alexander%2C%20Cecil%22%29%20OR%20%28%221818-1895%22%20AND%20Alexander%29%29%20AND%20%28-mediatype:software%29] she is known as "Cecil Frances Alexander" never published/known as "Cecil Alexander".
 * 4) . In these books it is "Arthur Lionel Smith".
 * 5) . In these books it is "Fenton John Anthony Hort".
 * 6) . etc..

Generally speaking, one has to do research of sources to determine a common name. If there is dispute take it to RM and make a case, by showing sources which confirm the common name. But in all these cases, the sources do not support a simple shortening to first-last name. -- Green  C  13:03, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I do the research. If there are a few where that research has not been good enough, mea culpa, and (being a very established editor) I would hardly begrudge reverts and/or discussions by those who know and/or research better :) Mostly what is happening is I'm going through User:Bashereyre's page creations. He always creates with full names because that's what his sources use; then I come along later and try to determine common name. Yeah, sure ideally biographies would start at their common name (dabbed or un), but it is what it is (and has been for some years.) DBD 08:50, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 * There is also that there is a certain time-period (say 18th–19th) when all British public figures really take to using full names on official things (e.g. published works). It makes determining a common name more tricksy. (There's also a thing where they're born with one surname but later coopt a family-surname-last-middle-name into a pretended double-barrel, whereas some others use the last-middle-name-that-looks-like-a-surname as a given name with their only surname. Both of these are found described as "A. G. Davies Jones" (for instance).) Basically, I do the best I can with public sources on Google and -Books. Occasionally, I don't get these right; but then other editors pick these up and we sort it out. Collaborative editing, innit. DBD 08:55, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Well it came up because these 11 are the only ones I saw and all 11 didn't seem right so it looked like there was an automated process (thought or otherwise) to reduce to two names. It's OK if old names are longer by default, that is how they were and are known. I understand these things are imprecise and sometimes matter of opinion. I always err on the side of providing the full name which is useful when searching to have more information than less. Green  C  16:00, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

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Bampton->Brampton redirect
This edit redirects from one name to another, which is the right name? If there are sources for both, they should appear in the article.&#32; Uziel302 (talk) 15:36, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
 * With medieval names, it's often impossible to tell and/or they didn't really have a concept of "correct spelling". I can't remember where (or whether!) I got the source for Bampton. It'll be googleable. Yes, note it in-text if you find the source. Thanks. DBD 15:50, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Added with reference to the article.&#32; Uziel302 (talk) 16:10, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * And there's me thinking no one would notice :) Thanks DBD 08:07, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

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New Page Review newsletter September-October 2019
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Bishops of Stepney
Hi DBD. I have a question about the above subject, and I'm writing to you because you have edited the article of that name, and I'm hoping you might have an answer or know where to find out. I have just uploaded this rather beautiful portrait File:Bishop of Stepney.jpg, but cannot identify the sitter. Any ideas? Storye book (talk) 21:21, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Update. I believe I've cracked it - Cosmo Gordon Lang. I have corrected the image description for that ID, but please let me know if you disagree. Thanks. Storye book (talk) 09:47, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, good work, that's ol' Cosmo! — DBD 16:16, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the confirmation, and the really useful link to images. Cheers. Storye book (talk) 20:36, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Google Image Search ;) DBD 08:29, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

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New Page Review newsletter November 2019
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This newsletter comes a little earlier than usual because the backlog is rising again and the holidays are coming very soon. There are now holders of the New Page Reviewer flag! Most of you requested the user right to be able to do something about the huge backlog but it's still roughly less than 10% doing 90% of the work. Now it's time for action. Exactly one year ago there were 'only' 3,650 unreviewed articles, now we will soon be approaching 7,000 despite the growing number of requests for the NPR user right. If each reviewer soon does only 2 reviews a day over five days, the backlog will be down to zero and the daily input can then be processed by every reviewer doing only 1 review every 2 days - that's only a few minutes work on the bus on the way to the office or to class! Let's get this over and done with in time to relax for the holidays. Want to join? Consider adding the NPP Pledge userbox. Our next newsletter will announce the winners of some really cool awards. Admin has been officially invested as NPP/NPR coordinator by a unanimous consensus of the community. This is a complex role and he will need all the help he can get from other experienced reviewers. Paid editing is still causing headaches for even our most experienced reviewers: This official Wikipedia article will be an eye-opener to anyone who joined Wikipedia or obtained the NPR right since 2015. See The Hallmarks to know exactly what to look for and take time to examine all the sources. Would you like feedback on your reviews? Are you an experienced reviewer who can give feedback to other reviewers? If so there are two new feedback pilot programs. New Reviewer mentorship will match newer reviewers with an experienced reviewer with a new reviewer. The other program will be an occasional peer review cohort for moderate or experienced reviewers to give feedback to each other. The first cohort will launch November 13. The annual ArbCom election will be coming up soon. All eligible users will be invited to vote. While not directly concerned with NPR, Arbcom cases often lead back to notability and deletion issues and/or actions by holders of advanced user rights. There is to be no wish list for WMF encyclopedias this year. We thank Community Tech for their hard work addressing our long list of requirements which somewhat overwhelmed them last year, and we look forward to a successful completion. To opt-out of future mailings, you can remove yourself here MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:33, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
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