User talk:DBD/List of unused courtesy titles

Heirs-apparent of viscounts, whether courtesy or substantive, in the Peerages of England, Great Britain, Ireland and the United Kingdom bear no courtesy title except "The Honourable" (e.g. The Hon. Alexander Lascelles). Heirs-apparent of substantive viscounts in the Peerage of Scotland bear the substantive title "Master of [peerage title]" (e.g. the Master of Arbuthnott). Heirs-apparent of courtesy viscounts in the Peerage of Scotland bear the courtesy title "Master of [courtesy peerage title]" (e.g. the Master of Stormont). Opera hat (talk) 17:58, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know. This is just an exercise in hypotheticals. DBD 18:20, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Regarding the courtesy titles associated with the Duke of Leinster: I think I remember seeing in some book a photograph of four generations of the family. The youngest was called "Viscount Leinster". Opera hat (talk) 21:38, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Really?! If you can locate it, you should cite it at Duke of Leinster and Thomas FitzGerald, Earl of Offaly. It would be annoying though, because I've been going through using the assumption: "never shall two temporally-coincident peers, substantive or courtesy, be called Lord Same"... (Although I'm aware there's on other exception — an invented Viscounty Surname for an heir, whilst a Lord Surname exists) DBD 22:37, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I've just been cudgelling my memory but it would have been about nine years ago I saw it. An edition of Burke's or Debrett's circa 1974 would be a better source, though. Opera hat (talk) 23:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * But the Duke of Leinster is never called Lord Leinster. However, there are other counter-examples: the eldest son of the Earl of Dorchester was styled Viscount Milton between 1792 and 1798 despite the fact that the title was also borne at the time by the eldest son of the Earl Fitzwilliam. Opera hat (talk) 23:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * ...bit of a bally cheek, I'd have thought, especially as he was sitting for one of Lord Fitzwilliam's pocket boroughs at the time. Opera hat (talk) 00:02, 28 January 2009 (UTC)