User talk:DBZROCKS/Archive 5

I'm flattered...
... that you came to talk to me first {^_^} I too want to apologize for my behaviour before, a lot has happened since you were gone. How was your break? Lord Sesshomaru 22:46, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * There must be a ton of things you'd like to know:


 * 1) A lot of the Pokémon pages were merged, though Bulbasaur looks to still be under discussion.
 * 2) I'm considering a move/rename of Son Goku (Dragon Ball) to Son Goku per this section and a google search.
 * 3) About the debate we had about sub-headers, besides Summary, you may want to read the section in WP:MOS regarding why sub-headers are particularly useless, however, the more major supervillains do have sub-headers there (eg, King Cold, Kuriza, etc., not Zarbon, Dodoria, Kiwi, etc.)
 * 4) There are more, I think, but any thoughts or questions beforehand? Lord Sesshomaru 23:01, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Every single image was removed per a violation an image gallery abuse (in other words, a list of pictures for every single character in a list breaks a rule). Majority of them had no source, rationale or copyright anyway so they were bound to be deleted. Wikipedia is going through a great change; a program is nominating almost all of the fair use images on this encyclopedia for deletion, because several of them lack source, copyright, and rationale explanations. I saved a few by providing the appropiate information, I'm sure others did the same, though can't speak for the millions of other pics. I'm really content that you want to befriend me, really, I'll prevent myself from ever disputing with you again. (Can't make promises though). {*_*} Lord Sesshomaru 23:15, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I noticed you were removing some comments from your talk page, you can take out that entire that entire DBZ section by TheCrimePrinceofCrime, as he was abusing multiple accounts. Why did you "change" the ref from Majin Buu? Not only is that discouraged to do, but it looks nicer as a citation. Well, it needs verification anyway, could be a lie for all we now or do you own that Wizard issue? Lord Sesshomaru 23:31, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Answer to BT3
I saw your question on Poetics talk and since he hasnt answered it yet, I thought I would. Yeah, all of the characters have been confirmed from Tenkaichi 2, it isnt vandalism. --User:Atomic Religione

Two matters
Dear, you are invited to join the move request for Goku since it's been much slower than expected. I also asked something at WP:WPDB and thought you could help in seeking the answer. Much thanks, Lord Sesshomaru 00:33, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Vegeta
There is nothing to discuss. The information needs to due to being total fancruft. The last time I summed it up, it was completely rewritten in twenty minutes, so it is better for someone else to readd it. TTN 22:21, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Instead of just calling it that explain why it is. and if someone rewrites your summary then just explain it to them and revert it. DBZROCKS Its over 9000!!! 22:23, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Seeing as it has already stuck on Goku, there should be no reason to explain it. The new summary was better, which is why it is better to wait for someone else to do it. TTN 22:26, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes but Wikipedia is all about improvement and sometimes some information is better than nothing. DBZROCKS Its over 9000!!! 22:28, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The information is only being removed until someone adds a summarized version, so it shouldn't be a big deal. Besides, given how crappy the articles already are currently, it really shouldn't matter. TTN 22:31, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * But some of us can't track down the information, if its bothering you so much, why not rewrite it yourself? DBZROCKS Its over 9000!!! 22:33, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Never mind for now. These articles have to be totally cut down and rewritten anyways. TTN 22:36, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Super Trunks
Hey man sorry about that. I just thought that since the last Tenkaichi game including new transformations example, Broly (Base and Super Saiyan), I just thought they could actually put the real Super Trunks in this game. I know they have to because that was part of his transformations. Anyway we just have to wait for 2-3 more months for updates. Anyway write back and have a nice day. Johnny542 21:24, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Its fine, not a problem. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  21:26, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

One more question. If you read the Dragon Ball Z Volume 19 Manga, you might know this. Were both Vegeta and Trunks Ascended Super Saiyans when they fought the Cell Juniors at the Cell Games or just Super Saiyans. In the book they look Super Saiyan but in the anime, they look Ascended. I am so confused by this. I f you know this can you help me since I want to add this on Wikipedia Cell Games Saga.Johnny542 21:41, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Johnny Again
Me again lol. Hey you are pretty smart for a 13 year old. I'm 15 and don't use half the words you do. Johnny542 21:52, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * thank you I do try. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  21:53, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey I was thinking maybe we should put in costumes and attack section in Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 3. So if the attacks are different from the previous game then it will be imporant. What do you think. Johnny542 21:57, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * no that would not be allowed, as it would violate wikipedia policies WP:CRUFT and WP:LISTS. Such content is more apropriate on gaming sites such as Gamefaqs. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  22:02, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Okay so do you know of any new attacks for the previous characters like Super Saiyan Goku Mid: Super Kamehameha for Blast 2, Angry Kamehameha for Ultimate Blast. Johnny542 22:07, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No because the game has not yet been released and most of the information presented to us right now has been from a Japanese source and no one has gone through the trouble to translate what says what. Though it is unlikely that they have stated the exact attacks each charecter will have. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  22:16, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh okay. Johnny542 23:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

One Last Question
Hey man sorry if I am bothering you but since you seem to know a lot about DBZ. You could answer this. Did ASS Trunks fight Semi-Perfect Cell in the anime but in the manga he didn't? Johnny542 23:07, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No in the manga Trunks mearly trys to stop Semi-Perfect Cell from Absorbing Android 18 but is stopped by Vegeta. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  23:11, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

What about the anime?Johnny542 23:37, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Its been years since I've whatched that particlular part of the anime, sorry. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  23:43, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh thats okay. Johnny542 23:51, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Super Vegeta
Just a quick note so you don't have to sift through the talk page on that one- The original line Vegeta says "This is Super Vegeta's Big Bang Attack." As the statement is possessive, he is identifying himself as Super Vegeta. For some reason, Viz left off the apostrophe "s", and FUNimation changed the line to "Here's a going away present for you." This obviously obscured the issue. However, if you click the audio on the DVD you'll hear (and see with subs) that Vegeta calls himself, in the third person, Super Vegeta when he attacks 19. Onikage725 23:52, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Also you can note in the Manga when Vegeta fights Cell he states, I Am Super Vegeta. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  23:54, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The compromise works for me. That's essentially the same thing I meant when I said "and subsequent forms" (meaning just those two, cuz he doesn't when in his level 2 state or Majined). Onikage725 02:46, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Dude not good...
What you just did right there is not going to help him one bit. If you are going to support someone, just state why you believe he'd make a great admin and that’s it. Do not add comments implying that the only reason you are supporting him is because you two are friends. I understand that Poetic is a great editor and I respect him myself, but that comment you made might actually hurt him. -- bullet proof  3:16 20:55, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I saw what you ment so I went and rewrote my statement, I was to caught up in the moment to Think. I hope I haven't damaged his odds. Ugh, such idiocy on my part..... DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  21:13, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No worries. Regardless of what the outcome might be, I trust Poetic will come out stronger and wiser. -- bullet proof  3:16 21:15, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

A Link to the Past
Sorry for replying late, just wanna let you know that disruptive ALTTP has been blocked for a week (whew! relief), see here. You needed help on something, I assume Majin Buu. Lord Sesshomaru 05:34, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Captian Ginyu Body Switch
Hey man its me again. I was just wondering did they fix the Captain Ginyu Body Change attack in BT3. Instead of randomly changing bodies with people who I considered weaker than Ginyu like Krillian, Kiwi and Gohan, they probably could just make him switch with anybody that he is fighting against just like in Budokai 3. That would make the game even cooler. If you have any new info on this, contact me. Johnny542 19:09, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Kid Buu weaker than Super Buu
I have a question...

When is it stated that Kid Buu is weaker than Super Buu? If I remember correctly, when Vegeta and Goku escaped from inside Buu's body didn't they noted that it was strange that Buu's power was getting STONGER and not weaker.

I recently got in a conflict for wanting to add Vegetto and Gotenks to the known Super Saiyan 2s section and was denied because it was said to be "unofficial" and "not stated in the Daizenshuus" despite obvious appearances that would suggest otherwise. Is it also stated that Kid Buu is weaker than Super Buu in the Daizenshuus as well? If so, where?--Lucky Mitch 01:24, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Its ovious. Vegeta and Goku stood no chance against super Buu without fusing but Goku could handle Kid Buu by himself and if it never happend don't put it. Buu was getting stronger from the Mega Buu Transformation but it dropped back when he turned back to kid buu.  DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  11:55, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Whose to say it didn't drop back at all and still increasing? As I recall, Kaioshin was quite frannkly, pisssing his pants. And this was not simply because he was now a maniacal monster. He remembered the ruthless power of Kid Buu from their original encounter. If Kid Buu was weaker, he wouldn't have blown up the Earth with such ease, and regenerated so quickly. Even when he shot a small ki blast towards Earth, which Vegeta deflected, it was stated it could have blown up the Earth. Super Buu can't contrate that much power in such a small ki blast. Even in his head, they barely managed to hold off Super Buu as Super Saiyans, and because they thought he was getting weaker, they remained in that form, until of course he transformed into Kid Buu. Then they decided to raise the stakes. From what you're saying, it would mean that SSJ3 Gotenks is stronger than Kid Buu, which is ridiculous. The misconceptionn stems mainly from his size. The real question is if any of Super Buu's subsequent forms are stronger than Kid Buu. Super Buu w/Gohan stated upon reaching the form said he's "stronger than ever before" but that was when he was sane and rational (whatever that means for Buu). Toriyama usually doesn't make main villains revert to weaker forms and then have them climatic battle with the protagonist(s).Even if he is finishing the book. Personally, I don't care much about the evidence from Daizenshuus, even that has contradictions. If Vegetto isn't added in the list for Super Saiyan 2 because of it then that's silly. I prefer reading to the manga. It does contain the story after all, and what do all stories on it say, including anime? Based on the manga.Uglyguy2006 17:29, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

And also another point, How would Goku and Vegeta be "true" Saiyans if they refuse a suggestion to merge again if Kid Buu was weaker? Saiyans are a proud race. And why would the suggestion be brought up if he was weaker than Super Buu? Certainly not because he was crazy as Kid Buu. Also, why where the Kaioshin so suprised when they declined to be remerged into Vegetto? It's all good typing "Kid Buu is strongest. I've evidence from the Daizenshuu" and "Super Buu w/Gohan is strongest. I've evidence from the Daizenshuu" Why don't you try to reference the original manga?Uglyguy2006 17:43, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Piccolo Mid
Hey I think that there is going to be a Piccolo Mid because Piccolo Early has the Special Beam Cannon as his Ultimate Attack while Piccolo End has it as his Blast 2 attack. Also that Piccolo Mid is actually just a more powerful version of Piccolo fused with Nail and when he fought Frieza. It just want to let you know what I think. Oh yeah is the Ice Shenron going to be in this game? Johnny542 19:17, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I have no idea if Ice Shenlong will be in this game. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  12:02, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh okay. Johnny542 12:28, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey you know for the offical Japanese website for Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 3 and how they get updates on new characters. Can you tell me when the next recent batch are going to come, that would be very cool. Johnny542 12:48, 5 September 2007 (UTC)