User talk:DBZROCKS/Archive 6

Hey, DBZROCKS
I'm flattered that you ripped off my warnings archive idea :) -- $U IT  03:46, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey why waste a good Idea? DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  12:01, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

DRV
I have initiated a deletion review of an AFD which you were involved in. You may wish to contribute to the discussion. Balancer 04:56, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Vegeta's video games section
It really is too long. Look at Goku's article, his was removed a while ago, as was Gohan's. Why should Vegeta's stay? He appeared in the same games as them, didn't he?-- $U IT  00:15, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, the Goku article has been going through rapid and odd changes for a while and its not really fit for an example. Also Dragon Ball video games are very spread out and rampant and becoming very popular. All Im saying is that there should be some information on the Video games but then we need to decide what games should be on that list, which takes us to notablity. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  00:21, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

RE:Um
A list can stand alone as a self contained page, or it can be embedded in an article.


 * Stand-alone lists, or "lists of links" are articles consisting of a list of links to articles in a particular subject area, such as people or places or a timeline of events. The titles of these articles always begin with List of or Timeline of. The title and bullet style or vertical style is common for this type of list. These Wikipedia articles follow the Lists (stand-alone lists).
 * Embedded lists are either included in the article or appended to the end of articles. They present information or aid in navigation to related articles. Some examples include: See also lists, Compare lists, Related topics lists, and Reference lists (also called External links). To see how to include a list in an article, go to Lists (embedded lists)

Both those are applicable to that video game list and more appropriate than random prose about selected games, transformations involved in them and any story related parts to the character. All that is required is the list, its simple, clean, requires little maintenance and allows those who want to know more to get there quickly.Darkwarriorblake 01:08, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Most Wikipedia articles should consist of prose, and not just a list of links. period. That is what is being done as it is Wikipedia policey. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  11:35, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

And yet I just showed you some Wiki policy that backs up the simple list in this case.Darkwarriorblake 20:32, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Not the case. Simple lists with no prose are not what Wikipedia articles are supposed to have. A list with prose is what we have. A list with prose or a paragraph are the two choices for such a list. We have gone with a list with prose because a paragraph didn't seem to go with the article. Simple lists are only used in very specific situations. This is not one of those situations. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  20:37, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

RE: Hey man
Yeah, I don't mind. I'm not sorry about anything I said, but I know I should be and I don't like losing my cool. I said in my edit summary and to ALttP that I'm taking a break. I'm not going to do much here at least until my vacation kicks in. Onikage725 21:51, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Heh, probably smart. Still, there is way too much going on during the normal daily grind to deal with some of this during all that. If I'm going to do anything productive, during a little quiet time is my best chance. Onikage725 22:19, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: Hey
What's up, I'm not really sure what you plan to do. The one you gave me after you came back from Yosimite I archived. I don't really want barnstars on my main page, rather just on my discussion page. That ok? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:54, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta picture
Hi, sorry I could not answer right back, I have been quite busy with other things. Thats fine about deleting the image, but I have another image that may be a little bit more clear...

Here is another screenshot of Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta In your opinion, would this image be a good replacement for the page or not? It's a bit farther away and may suffer from similar flaws as the last one, but it gets the whole body in the frame as well as some clear electricity. I'll leave it up to you to decide.--Lucky Mitch 02:48, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd say it it still isn't good enough, shot is to far away for it to be a good shot. Parhaps there is a shot that has the electiricity but also is a bit closer hm? DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  11:59, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Well I have 3 other screenshots with clear electricity but they are from which does not want them to be posted on any other web page as expressed in the quote:

" Welcome to DBZSC's DVD Shots Gallery! Here you will find a great selection of high quality screen shots taken from DBZ DVD's! Please, do NOT use these on your website. However, feel free to use them for banners or any miscellaneous graphics project you might need them for. Enjoy!"

However I have several other screenshots that do not have the electricity, but in the manga they do.

Here are the shots, , , , ,

And I also have quite a few non-screen shots pics as well.

Here they are, , , , ,

Again, tell me if you think they are good enough.--Lucky Mitch 16:52, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Offical Characters
Hey its me again. I was just wondering, are those characters in the offical Japanese website of DBZ: BT3 the offical ones of the game, because it be very disappointing to have just Hildegarn in his Final Form instead of also his base form and etc. I'm just wondering if you know about any new info on this. Okay bye. Johnny542 20:39, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Just a...
...tidbit but if you are editing the Majin Buu article, the transformations definetly should stay and I won't budge on that. Thats important information to the character just as they are to Vegeta, something I will undo tomorrow because Bebi and Majin deserve mention.

EDIT: I say this because the other articles that were all merged had about as much or less info as is about to be in the Vegeta article through TTN's decree and eventually the entire DBZ universe is going to be summed up in one page of 'notable characters from Dragon Ball Z'.

Darkwarriorblake 21:47, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry but the Transformations will probably be summed up into one paragraph like all the other articles. Also if you feel that Majin and Baby Vegeta deserve mention you can either, add it to the article yourself or make a see also to Baby (Dragon Ball). The thing is that most of the characters that were merged were unnotable and didn't have much besides a plot summary. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  21:59, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the voting thing in the Dragon Ball group. I tried to start a vote, but Link turned it into a debate. Anyways, thanks. Ryu-chan (Talk) 16:43, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Vegeta Article
Good job for taking this into your hands and dealing with it in such a professional manner.

Cross Epoch up for deletion
Hey there, DBZROCKS. I don't know if you have any interest in the article, but I've listed Cross Epoch for deletion mainly per notability reasons. If you can, please check out the AfD page and post your thoughts on the matter. At any rate, that's pretty much it. Just wanted to give you a heads-up. Hope to see you around, and happy editing! // Decaimiento Poético  20:53, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

From Johnny542
Hey DBZ, you know the offical website of BT3 right, well when is the next recent batch of characters going to appear? These could be very useful for wikipedia. Johnny542 23:47, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Reason for Japanese version over English version response
Those are some excellent points and examples and I am sorry for being such a bother to everyone. But my main opposition to this is still most people do not understand what the words mean. That would normally be a good example of the hypothetical name change of Jesus, but Jesus's name IS a translation from the Hebrew name, Yeshua. It is Iesous in Greek, and Iesus in Latin. How many people do you see using those names instead of Jesus? You see, people use the name they are most familiar with, and most English speakers are more familiar with the English dub version of Dragonball. I'm not saying get rid of the Japanese names completely, lets just put them in parentheses next to the English names.--Lucky Mitch 16:15, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Suspicious characters
You may want to take a look at this concern regarding Goku. The users who are re-adding that plot junk to Goku, Piccolo, Vegeta, etc., are relatively newcomers whom I'm suspecting are involved in some kind of "cruft conspiracy", but I won't push this much further. Just letting you know, keep an eye out for possible "Prince Zarbon" socks. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:32, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * See Bulma also. That needs to be cut badly or else it's merged. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:38, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It's almost as if someone wants to ruin these articles with WP:FAN. Then again, it could all be just a BIG coincedence. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:40, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Now I've sent a message to TTN. Here are the following users (who I've been keeping a close eye on) that keep reverting to a cruft revision carelessly on the Dragon Ball pages:


 * Any ideas? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:45, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Any ideas? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:45, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Any ideas? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:45, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Any ideas? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:45, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Signature
Haha! Dude, I love your sig. Have you seen the remix to 9000? GlassCobra 22:13, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, though my favorite was the Balls are Inert. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  11:48, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

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general question
dbzrocks, the last time you edited out my caveat (In the kid buu section), you edited the footnote marker to the wrong place. I readded the caveat and think it should stand; if you'd like we can discuss this in the articles discussion page. - mike 24.12.216.14 00:37, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry but there are two problems with that: one there is no reference for what you said. Two the Dragon Ball wikiproject has decreed that the anime isn't suposed to be used for reletive power and things like that because it is inconistant. You can protest this if you want at The Draogn Ball Wikiproject Talk page. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  00:45, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * sure thing. i will provide a reference, and since its going to be in a parenthesis it won't be an official statement.  give me a minute, thanks24.12.216.14 00:51, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * hey, i just reverted the article back. i left a footnote there but no parenthesis.  if people want to read into it they can; that's how i see it.  anyway, sorry for the back and forth and thanks for your time 24.12.216.14 01:11, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * i listed the japanese episode, so no worries, thanks! 24.12.216.14 01:18, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

ahh i apologize, it appears i am wrong with regards to the footnote when looking at the rest of the article. i will leave it as is but will insert the parenthesis as a caveat. please discuss this will me on the article talk page as i usually do not goto user pages. thankyou! 24.12.216.14 00:42, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

ya I back!
And I am happy to be back. Back Home with my wife and son and I back to help you guys out of a jam.Heat P 02:30, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

DBZ and sagas
Thank you for your message on my talk page. First, as I said, I'm not active in the Project, so I did not know about the rewrite. That's why I asked for the quick summary. Also, if that consensus has been clearly stated on the article's talk page, then it becomes very easy for me to justify persistent edits by an IP as being deliberately disruptive rather than just acting based on lack of knowledge. Second, I think we're in agreement about prefering secondary sources over the anime directly. That's why I asked the other editor specifically for a source other than his claim of "I have the DVD." It sounds like (all of you editors active in) the Project has the articles headed in a good direction. I just want to make sure that I'm acting in accord with the Project, especially if I need to break out the mop and do anything administrative in regards to the article. —C.Fred (talk) 16:33, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Buu
Who deleted the Buu images?Darkwarriorblake 23:01, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * ??? What are you talking about the images are still there. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  12:41, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

The ones from Forms and Transformations for Fat and Siuper Buu. When I looked it had the images removed. The actual images not just where they were on the page Darkwarriorblake 15:41, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm still confused, the images are there correct? DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  21:10, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Super Mario RPG lists
Currently, Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars has two lists pertaining to it (List of characters in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, and List of locations in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars). User:TTN decided it would be best to merge the lists into the main article and split Smithy Gang into those articles. I recently merged Smithy Gang into the list of chatacters by removing the non-notable characters, and I have asserted that a cameo section in the list of characters is valid, per Trivia sections and Handling trivia that uses Alex Trebek as a good example. I have suggested that we rename the articles per Requested moves to something along the lines of Characters of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars and World of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars or Mushroom Kingdom (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars) just like Characters of Final Fantasy VIII and World of Final Fantasy VI or Gaia (Final Fantasy VII). I believe if these articles are to evolve beyond a non-notable list, they should be renamed. For example, List of Final Fantasy VII locations was merged into Gaia (Final Fantasy VII), because a World article is notable, but a simple list of locations is not. That is why there are other secions of the article to make it a World article. It simply has not been renamed yet.

TTN believes the citations in the development and reception sections of the list of locations, books and magazines, are trivial sources. When I added that the 3D perspective of the game is reminicent of Equinox to the main article, TTN removed it since my souce was "the opinions of the Nintendo Power player's guide writers". Although it was actually Nintendo Power magazine, I do believe a magazine is a reliable source, and I gave a page from Next Generation Magazine which also said the same thing. In addition, I was surprized that TTN said that it was from the players guide, since he claims to own the players guide for the game. He has not verified this, since I asked him for citations in May, "Could you look in the back of the Player's Guide and tell me what “types” of … Magic? I forgot what they call it in the game … well, anyways, what types of Special Attack or whatever it is (actually, could you find out what it's called?) there are? I remember some vaguely when I owned the guide like “Fire”, “Jump”, “Electricity?”, etc. Could you provide a citation, like the page number with a quote in context?" TTN replied that he was going to "get to it" (User talk:TTN/Archive 5). TTN claims the player's guide is "at the bottom of a box that's behind at least five others in a cramped space". Seeing that TTN did not recognize that the page was not from the player's guide when I provided a scan of the page in question from Nintendo Power shocked me. However, I have continued to assume good faith by not questioning TTN's honesty.

Per Consensus, I have offered five different reasonable, temporary compromises that might integrate my idea with TTN's. TTN rejected my compromise because it still keeps the articles. I agreed I would consider a redirect, but Article size does not allow that, since the list of locations is currently 82 KB long. Instead, I agreed to help cut down the geography section that is the bulk of the article, but TTN rejected that as well because TTN states, "I am not interested in working on the article in regards to improving it." and "get past this "having sources automatically means that this information is good" mentality." TTN states, "I don't think they have or will ever assert notability." I have replied with, "Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, so if you don't think the articles will ever assert notability, we cannot yet know this, per Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions.
 * 1) Go over the list of characters so we can delete non–notable characters
 * 2) Rename the articles by following the steps at Requested moves.
 * 3) Cut down the geography section list of locations by cutting it into the regional maps the adventures use when traveling from one to another. I can get pictures and write the fair use rationals, and someone can cut down the text that has no citation and does not allude to other media.
 * 4) Write the concept and creation and reception sections for the list of characters
 * 5) Write the concept and creation section for the main article

Would you please take a look at Talk:Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars and give us your thoughts? Taric25 06:43, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

"God I hope noone saw that"
Hehe :P Ryan Lupin  (talk/contribs) 21:28, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Use chi, not ki
Regarding the Dragon Ball characters, use chi in the pages instead of the word ki from now on. The manga uses chi, as does the Japanese anime as well, so use that. When you're changing the term use it like so: chi (don't forget to italisise every instance and don't overlink too much). Cheers! Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:45, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry I was really tired last night I'll change all the instances of that. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  12:06, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You did a few mistakes here. Remember to always check your edits, I have now corrected the Super Saiyan page. Remember it's chi that you type in, but don't overlink it all over the place, at most just utilise chi. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:06, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

lol But The Japanese Language Itself Uses Ki And It Means Energy User: Sasuke Kid

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Ken shoryuken
Heh, I just reverted about all of this user's edits. He ridiculously called me a sockpuppet of you. Seems like 4.185.231.7 created an attack account. Oh yeah, did you know SUIT retired from Wikipedia? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 06:45, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd like my above questions answered. And please explain this "Freeza's Mother" nonsense that you apparently added. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:58, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Piccolo, Bulma
Well, it's all in WP:FU. A cheated pallete swap of Videl doesn't make it a picture of Bulma (it's Videl with blue hair). The piccolo character swap is legitimate, therefore one is really Piccolo Daimao and the other is Piccolo jr. Using the Piccolo Daimao image on Piccolo jr's article is a clear fair use violation. Hope that clears it up.--Atlan (talk) 22:18, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It isn't a picture of Videl with Blue hair, it is a model of Bulma, with Videl's moveset. It is legitimate because it is in the game and not fan made. I have read the article on fair use images many times before and I asure you that I am aware of this policey. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  22:22, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Alright, I've added the Bulma image again. I'll give that one the benefit of doubt. There's no question about the Piccolo image though. Please watch out with those reverts though. You also twice reverted a legitimate broken link removal and the ref tag move. --Atlan (talk) 22:26, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Merging of Tenkaichi Games
You really think it is a good idea? I'm sorry but I think you have really lost your mind, half the information is gone, it's all muddled up, and they only get a paragraph each. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brandox1 (talk • contribs) 13:59, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Two cases

 * 1) Can you see the Super Saiyan article? I claimed that the tense was unencyclopedic but I need another person's view.
 * 2) ALTTP is placing strange assessments on a couple pages, especially some of the Mario-related pages I watch. Do you think he's right for the most part? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:41, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

RE: Garlic Gun
I was jus' tryin' to keep the peace. It's always better to avoid an edit war. Ya know? As long as the Japanese names there, people won't try to change Garlic to Galick. --Ryu-chan (Talk | Contributions) 19:29, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * If people keep changing it, we can just protect the page and the problem is solved. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  19:30, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * It's only solved for a little while. As soon as it becomes unprotected, it will all start up again. I think of what I did as a semi-perminant solution. I use the term semi incase something goes wrong. --Ryu-chan (Talk | Contributions) 19:34, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Then its protected again, many articles utilize this. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  19:37, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Let's just see how it goes for a while, if it still continues on, you can change it back and protect it. Is that a good compromise? --Ryu-chan (Talk | Contributions) 19:43, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * How about instead, we leave it as is and if it occurs again we just protect it. Changing it back to its romanization is just letting the vandals push us around. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  21:23, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * You're right. Let's change it back. We're the ones making the site better, not them, so let's continue making it better. --Ryu-chan (Talk | Contributions) 00:47, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity who decreed it was Garlic Gun? I don't rmemeber it called anything but Gallic Gun in the english anime.Darkwarriorblake 22:05, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks...
... for keeping an eye on List of Saiyans in Dragon Ball for me. I put those hiding comments to let others know not to change the names. Use test messages to warn those who change them, ok? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:28, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem watching the list of Saiyans. I basically have all of wikipedias coverage of Dragon Ball on my watchlist right now (and boy is it giving me Wikistress). I was thinking of protecting most of the Dragon Ball pages though. It would really allow us to work on the articles rather than have to revert edits by some random IP. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  21:39, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

, can you see Talk:Dragon Ball Z? Feel free to comment on anything concerning the subject if you'd like. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:05, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Go for it. I'll back you up if some newbies or socks decide to revert you. It may help if you said this at the discussion I pointed you to beforehand. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:17, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Are you going to? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:22, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I meant say here that you're getting rid of the saga pages. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:28, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Wouldn't a better, more complete title serve as Plot of Dragon Ball? That way, Dragon Ball GT can be included on the same page rather than create a separate one. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 01:02, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know about that, this could prevent a possible WP:AFD, remember what happened to Plot of Naruto: Shippūden? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 01:11, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * What references? On WP:WPDB, I came up with the initial idea that the three series be on a single page titled Dragon Ball (narrative) but maybe we could have Plot of Dragon Ball comprise of the entire DB/DBZ series (including the anime but not the movies), while a Plot of Dragon Ball GT could exist on its own page. Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 01:25, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about that
On the page for Majin Buu Saga, I didn't know it was being rewritten. I just saw that someone removed most of its content. Sorry about the revert, and the warning that I hadn't yet written! Mattbash 00:50, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay. Just had to admit my mistake. :/ Mattbash 00:52, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I hope you are going to fix the DBZ Sagas
I don't have enough time to, and besides it is your fault. You shouldn't have messed with them. Yes, in the original Japanese version they are Saiyan, Freeza, Cell and Buu (NO GARLIC JUNIOR, THATS PART OF CELL) but 2 page summaries for a bunch of important episodes in inadequate. Either write up the article complete in the near future, our undo do your crap (its crap if you don't plan to add to your articles anymore). Tyar 00:42, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I recognize your concern with the Dragon Ball saga articles but I do belive that the way the articles are now is better than what they were before. In their previous incarnations, they were poorly written, much to long and focused to much on the Funimation version rather than the actual series. Reverting the articles would be worse than keeping them as they are now. Furthermore, the Garlic Junior Saga exists only as a redirect to Dragon Ball Z so it can be added into a Filler section. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  00:48, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with Tyar. You deleted a lot of information, and while I agree that some of it was crap, some of it was still useful. It would be better to snip away the bad, and leave the good. It's a lot less work than deleting the whole article, and replacing it bit by bit. Now there is basically no information on the Dragon Ball Z sagas. Sorry for the rant :) Darth Metus 15:09, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * There was no good in that article, that is why it is gone. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  15:10, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Then make it good. I absolutely have NO problem with seeing the sagas be Saiyan, Freeza, Cell and Buu (no Garlic Junior) as the sagas but you have to have more than two page summaries. Please just go back and undo what you did. It is not hard, I have tried but it won't work. Plus, if you plan on keeping it at the four, you need to change the Dragon Ball sagas to Son Goku, Red Ribbon Army, 22nd Tournament, King Piccolo, 23nd Tournament. You do or I will tell my good friend, one of the administrators that you have vandalised the DB pages. Either add to them or undo your work, or ELSE!!!!! Tyar 17:52, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I must remind you not to make threats to other users. Also I will not revert my edits due to the other revisions not being what is expected of an article, such edits are not vandalism. Per WP:VANDAL. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  21:21, 25 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I've blocked Tyar for a little while for taking it too far. However, I am also warning you that comments like "No more crappy article", "No more crappyness", and "I am DBZROCKS, The sword that smites Evil!" are not helping.  WP:CIVIL also extends to edit summaries as well. Remember: two wrongs do not make a right. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 21:26, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Will you please stop deleting whole Dragon Ball Z articles?Stopdroproll 18:07, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Pan is a female videogame character
I know she was created for the anime. I know she wasn't created for videogames, like Chun-li, but Rogue and Pyslocke, created for comics, are listed as female videogame characters because they are playable, like Pan, in a few videogames.Brazilian Man 19:18, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

No. 18
Is she a Z Fighter? I categorized her as such but can't seem to find a source verifying it. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:50, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

RE: RE: Admin
Thank you for giving me Deskana's user name and the information about the multiple warning levels. This is greatly appreciated. --Ryu-chan (Talk | Contributions) 02:44, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * If you believe that they are the same person, tag the socks with Tyar and place a on Tyar's user page. Afterwards, alert the blocking sysop who dealt with Tyar. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:58, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Seems was blocked for a day. Let me know if anything else comes up. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:16, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, make sure you relax after the saga pages are corrected. We're gonna need all the help we can get. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:21, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

DBZROCKS
I am not Sodapoproll, got it? Tyar 18:08, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

User:Prince Of All Saiyans
He vandalized your page but Rattle Man reverted it. I sent him a warning as a result too. Thought you should know. --Ryu-chan (Talk | Contributions) 17:57, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Fix the sagas
Listen buddy, when you were talking to Sesshomaru about fixing the saga pages, I recalled you said that you would do something Monday. Well guess what? Today's Tuesday. I am not trying to harass you, but you didn't keep your promise and you just vandalised Wikipedia. Do you know how many non-Wikipedia users HATE you for what you have done? Well do you? I am not one of them but you need to fix the saga pages back. Tyar 17:37, 30 October 2007 (UTC)