User talk:DBZROCKS/Archive 7

Cell's plot overview
About that, it needs to be reduced a bit more per WP:PLOT and it really needs more citations. Can you add page numbers for those references on his article? It would surely help in conducting confirmation. I'd like for you to also verify that No. 18 is a Z Fighter, I placed her in that category days ago unsure if she was one. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:15, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * 18 is a Z fighter. However I wanted to say that I have gotten rid of the page # templates that have been placed on the article, this is because most other anime and manga pages don't do this, and I really don't think it is really nessary. That policey is more for long novels than manga volumes with pictures and 17 pages. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  19:40, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I understand that other articles don't ask for a page number but I'd rather we get into the habit. I'm asking as a friend, do you know what pages they take place in? I could look them up myself but I'd like to come to an agreement beforehand. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:26, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Of course I know which page numbers they take place in. I can immediatally reference Dragon Ball Z volumes 12-26 and Dragon Ball Volumes 1-4 and 16 at the moment. The other part of my collection is with my dad in North Carolina (though as soon as my Dad remembers to ship the rest I should have all 42 Volumes). The reason that I only included the chapter is because some of the things in the chapter that I am referencing to are on multiple pages or are seen the entire chapter so I thought it was easier to just put the chapter because the chapters are comics and are around 17 pages which I thought would make it easy for anyone to find what I was referencing to. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  21:33, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll place the respective pages, I just don't want you to mind. BTW, is your old man a DBZ fanatic? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:35, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok then its not really a big deal, I will make sure to reference the page(s) when making references. Also I must say that my dad is the exact opposite of a Dragon Ball fan. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  21:39, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

L-O-L! This sure was a coincedence. Never occurred to me that a user can be warned twice at the exact same time. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:42, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Concerning the refs at Cell, would you like to start placing some manga pages? I'll do whatever you weren't able to get since your dad has some of your manga. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:28, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well I couldn't decide wether it was a personal attack, plain vandalism or both. So I put both. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  21:45, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't mind this user, . Let's get all of the chapters from now on. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:52, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't Worry about that, I still have 12-26 which includes the Cell Saga. References Ahoy!!! DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  22:34, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

On second thought I think it would be best to have just chapters and the volume for the references. I think this policey is for non picture novels. Also I realised that those getting the chapters from the shonen jump magazine would have different page numbers. Its also a pain in the butt when the thing that is being referenced is displayed throught the chapter and not said. Its also annoying when there are multiple pages. Pages are two specific, soon it would escalate to panels maybe even text bubbles! DBZROCKS  Its over 9000!!!  22:46, 30 October 2007 (UTC) I don't know about you but I've been thinking that there's another "Recoome", "BlueShrek", "Sonic Rules" or "Prince Zarbon" that we'll have to deal with. It just has to be only person calling the shots. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:57, 30 October 2007 (UTC) Thanks for the save here, It seems that those Saga articles were loved by many a personal attacker eh? DBZROCKS  Its over 9000!!!  22:51, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Cell shall be chapterized (no its not a word) by the day's end! DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  22:54, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I really don't believe it was all one person, just a bunch of fans of the Funimation dub that are understandably upset as many of them believe Wikipedia to be a fan site. DBZROCKS  Its over 9000!!!  23:00, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I alerted a blocking sysop for 97a2291395u; this vandal may be blocked shortly. This guy's only doing this because we're not admins. Sucks huh? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:10, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Can you revert Marhawkman's edit on No. 18? I would, but I don't want to get a 3rr warning so soon. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:29, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * of Course though in this case he was speculating, which is ok to revert. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  23:32, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the Kuririn / No. 18 case has been taken care of. See these replies of mine. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:18, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Afterwards, you may want to look at this. I really can't believe these guys, why are they still thinking we're socks? I'm almost convinced that this must be someone I've dealt with before who's trying to piss me off. Hey man, you think we should do something about this? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:12, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I think you missed my other replies in this confusing section. Now will shall see if Tyar‎ was behind the DBZ drama, see Requests for checkuser/Case/Tyar‎. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:56, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I think they are different users, and if they are sockpuppets, I doubt that they are all socks of Tyar, as he has stopped attacking my page and has not reverted any saga pages back. DBZROCKS  Its over 9000!!!  20:32, 31 October 2007 (UTC)


 * We worked pretty hard on Cell. I think we should list it for WP:GAC. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:49, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Needs some minor fixes first, the table of contents is messed up for one. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  20:54, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * About that, you think the TOC was better this way or how it is now? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:05, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * this edit speaks for itself. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  21:11, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * What? I think that's the wrong link you're demonstrating. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:17, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * this is the edit I ment to show. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  21:19, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Cell looks to be well referenced, there's a design section, there's no crufty video games list, what's left to do now? In-universe and out-of-universe corrections right? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:29, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I would say nominate it now, seeing as in some instances Out of Universe information is not possible. I am hoping to bank on ingnore all rules in this instance. Even if it doesn't go through, the person taking it off the list will be sure to give a detailed reason of why it is not a good article yet. DBZROCKS  Its over 9000!!!  21:35, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't bother nominating it without adding real world information. While the article needs work in other areas (information is written in-universe, it's rather trivial in general, the writing needs work, ect), blatantly failing WP:N is the worst. TTN 21:39, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Harassment
Read this. --Ryu-chan (Talk | Contributions) 19:41, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

18
Wait a sec.... So you're saying that you're not gonna let me add anything unless I add a ref tag? that's ridiculous, and against policy.--Marhawkman 23:51, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Swear
I know this is unusual for Wikipedia, but I swear the only account I have is Tyar. Tyar 23:00, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I personally do not believe you have multiple accounts Tyar, you may want to dig that up with Sesshomaru. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  23:02, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, man. Sesshomaru is having major problems accusing me of having 23 accounts. Tyar 18:13, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Saiyan Saga
Write your own plot summary tomorrow if you want. I think that you should leave mine up in the meantime so that something is there. I'll agree to your summary on a few conditions, though: First, that it is complete. You say that mine is too long, but none of the information it contains is superfluous; you can make it shorter and more concise, but don't leave anything important out. Second, that it that it contains accurate grammar and spelling. You said that mine had misspelled words, but it really didn't; all English words were spelled correctly and all character names used acceptable spellings and were in line with common Wikipedia spellings. If your summary is riddled with misspellings or poor grammar, I will simply replace it with mine again. And third, that it actually is better than mine. Granted, this is something of a matter of personal taste, and I'll also grant that writing summaries isn't my strength and that my Saiyajin saga summary is a little choppy, but I don't feel that it's by any means awful. You've talked a big game and if you replace it with something that is a genuine improvement, I won't have any objections, but the saga pages do need some actual information beyond the stubs that have been posted on each one, and I don't feel that there's anything in particular wrong with what I have written. If you can't write something that is really better, then there's no reason mine should be taken down. I also believe that the episode list and manga list should be retained, as they offer visitors to the page information on exactly which episodes/chapters to watch/read to experience that part of the story. If they are to be deleted, they should at least be replaced with links to the appropriate pages ("List of Japanese Dragon Ball Z episodes," perhaps "List of dubbed Dragon Ball Z episodes," and a page that does not currently exist but probably should, "List of Dragon Ball manga chapters"). Also, this is a seemingly minor detail, but I would suggest that the information on the dates, which I used in my summary, should be retained; this is canon information available in Daizenshuu 7 and it is referenced on some of the other pages of Wikipedia, so visitors would be able to place various events within the context of the Dragon Ball timeline. If these conditions are acceptable to you, then I think we have reached a good compromise. I had planned to eventually fill in the other saga pages as well, so it might be wise to get on the same page about what each entry should contain before I waste a bunch of time writing it and then we both waste a lot of time deleting and restoring it. I personally feel that the existing Dragon Ball saga summaries are a decent template. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shortpier (talk • contribs) 01:16, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Granted you do have the right, but what I'm wondering is where in the world did you get this kind of information. For example, how do you know the dates of when the Saiyans arrived? It was never mentioned in any of the episodes in the manga nor the anime. So, I believe that your information is wrong, at least in that area specifically. Also, you have to understand that sagas like Namek, Trunks, Android, Imperfect/Perfect Cell, Cell Games, Great Saiyaman, World Tournament, Babidi, Fusion, and Kid Buu are legitimate sagas accepted by the majority of DBZ fans and that they shouldn't be just redirects to the Majin Buu Saga. And even if they were, ADD A PLOT TO IT.

Happy Halloween!
Sorry for saying it late, I was in a rush when I said it to Kayla. Thanks for the save here. I'm glad we're good friends, always watching out for one another. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:16, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't be modest, you really needed an award, especially for helping me fight off vandals and newbs. How was your Halloween night? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:02, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm a bit concerned about Cell's in-universe/out-of-universe representation, can you rewrite it into present tense per this guideline? All that needs to be corrected is stuff like made --> make(s). I'd do it but I'm fixing something ATM. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:44, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Uh-oh, you haven't read this have you? According to the guideline we should never treat fiction characters like real people, even if they died in their respective stories. I know it's a bit confusing but that's what IU/OUU means. That user who is vandalising that saga page is a suspect I listed in the CheckUser, let me finish up and I'll deal with that. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:08, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The current Cell picture sucks. I admit the one I retrieved was strange too, maybe you could get a better one, perhaps. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:50, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * If you have Corel Paint Shop Pro or something better, you can merge these DB wiki pics of Cell into a single frame and upload it here. Think you can do that? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:21, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Go for it. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:35, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I honestly know no one that has such a program. I used to have a trial version, it has since expired. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:53, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

How about this image? Though its only Perfect Cell it looks better than the current pic. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:01, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Namek Saga
Why do you keep deleting the stuff I add on the Namek saga. Theres no info on it now. Im just trying to help!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by The one and only leeds fan (talk • contribs) 16:11, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Kuririn
Hey man, I hope you do to Kuririn like you did to Cell. It needs references just as badly. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 07:00, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * ... and take a look at Saiyan Saga afterwards, needs a little more help. Think I missed some redirects though. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:39, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Please get a better image. Truth be told, both are horrid, and you didn't reply to my other latest comments. This is why I uploaded the pic. Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:31, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I haven't replied to your previous comments, however, I think that our image of Cell fine. I do however think that an image or two should be placed in the plot summary section, what do you think? DBZROCKS  Its over 9000!!!  23:34, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Whatever, long as the top image of Cell is gone ASAP. At this point in time, any other image would be better. And Kuririn and the Saiyan Saga page? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:43, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't see what is wrong with that particular image, it seems fine to me. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  23:47, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * ... you're serious? Look at the junk at the top. It bothers me, slightly. How can the other pages be okay if they're mostly WP:OR? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:56, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well if it is bothering you, I will see if I can use Paint to go over it. I am planning to do an overhaul on Freeza after I get my volumes 1-11 back from my dad. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  00:03, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Forumish comments?
In the interest of no personal attacks, WookMuff 20:29, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Zanpakutō
Hi, you edited the article Zanpakutō, and stated in the edit summary 'see previous edit summary'. The edit was the removal of most of the article. Considering there was no previous edit summary to look at, your edit was reverted. Please use the talk page if you have a good reason to remove what you did. Thanks, Ynhockey (Talk) 23:31, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Interesting that you should mention that attacks are against Wikipedia policy. I've been on Wikipedia for years and haven't heard of such a policy. But, now that you mention it, it seems that the listing of DBZ attacks and abilities has been deleted. Maybe that will shed light on the question. Since you seem to follow DBZ articles, can you post a link to the AfD/other deletion process page? Thanks, Ynhockey (Talk) 00:05, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Deleting comments from someone else's talk page
You deleted comments from Sesshomaru's talk page for incivility. Shouldn't that be up to Sesshomaru to decide about his/her own talk page? Doczilla 22:35, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Very true, I will restore them then. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  22:39, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
 * FYI: User:124.176.61.1 vandalized your comments on that individual's talk page to make it look like you'd made wholly inappropriate remarks. I reverted the vandalism but felt you should know. You may want to put that talk page on your watch list so he/she doesn't wind up giving anyone the wrong impression about you. Frankly, after that stunt, the individual should be reported as a vandal on that person's very next misstep. Doczilla 01:20, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Freeza saga
Why do you keep undoing all the text on the Freeza saga. They'res some decent info on there. Dont delete the info unless you have something good to put on there. What your doing is vandalism. Stop it! The one and only leeds fan 17:59 November 13th 2007 (UTC)

DBZ cruft war
Once more, they added original research to Dragon Ball Z. Think I'm at my 3rr limit, guess I'll back off until tomorrow, eh? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:39, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Very nice page you made (might give us some leverage), and thanks for the save earlier on DBZ. By the way, have fanboys added more cruft to the saga articles recently? Just say the word and I'll give you a hand. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:16, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

poses a problem. He can add whatever junk he wants to the page, he'll get reverted eventually. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:34, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Left a message
I'm not ignoring and will be right with you, pinky-swear. There's just something important I have to do. Like, outside Wiki-life real-life important. Sorry, please understand, I'll return in just a smidge. Papacha 00:26, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Sagas
I know you've been a main voice behind their fix-up process. Are you going to work with DB too? I don't wanna set in before checking. They need serious trimming, and some need renaming. Like Tsuru-sennin Saga being the Tien Shinhan saga, when our articles don't even use Tien Shinhan to refer to Tenshinhan. Onikage725 02:30, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Of course, except currentally, there seems to be no good way to organize it, as it would probably take more than one page. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  22:06, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Cell image
I reverted the pic again. If you're not going to upload a better one then I suggest leaving mine. I want it to be a good article s much as you do so I can't have garbage at the top. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:14, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Didn't you tell me that you'd correct it ASAP? We don't need to bring it to WP:WPDB, it could easily be discussed here. As well Son Goku needs a main image. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:35, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, Son Goku needs manga chapters and some pages instead of "???". How should we go about it? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:14, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd like for you to answer to my concerns regarding Goku's page. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:27, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

"Too long"
Hw can you delete things that are too long the longer the better surley. Wikipedia is about speading knowledge so why take important info out. And stop ignoring me

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18's marriage to Krillin
Hi, I'm K9feline, and I'm the one who lifted the protection on No. 18 and edited in her marriage to Krillin. This is not based on the FUNimation dub. It's based on the Main Characters Page found in vols 21-26 of the Dragon Ball Z manga as published by Viz Manga. In all of these volumes, the MCP say the same thing about Kuririn: "he is married to # 18." I see this as a verifiable primary source and it even convinced Lord Sesshamoru. See Talk: No. 18. If you try to edit that out again, please give a neutral, verifiable reason why the Main Characters Page of the DBZ manga can't be used as a source. Thank you. K9feline (talk) 23:39, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, I did not remember the character pages, fine, however the movie names need to be keep the way they are. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  23:42, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

User:Moot lord of everything lol
Hi DBZROCKS,

I just wanted to drop by and let you know that, while commenting on an MfD discussion for the userpage above, I noticed that they kept repeating the phrase "it's over 9000!!!", which is found in your signature. Their only edit so far besides repeating that on their userpage (with accompanying non-free images of Vegeta that have since been removed) has been vandalism to the Brian Drummond article using the same text and pictures.

It's been the better part of a decade since I watched DBZ (and God that makes me feel old), but I don't recall that phrase being particularly meme-ish, so I thought its appearance on another user's page was curious. I want to make it clear that I'm not accusing you of sock puppetry; rather, I was wondering if maybe you had a run-in with someone recently and they're blowing off steam this way.

Of course, that phrase could in fact be a huge meme in DBZ fandom and I might just have no clue what I'm talking about. At any rate, any light you could shed on this would be greatly appreciated! --jonny-mt(t)(c) I'm on editor review! 04:04, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * So it seems I had no clue what I was talking about after all--it is a meme. Sorry to bug you! --jonny-mt(t)(c) I'm on editor review! 04:40, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The phrase its over 9000! Is from youtube, and is a semi-popular video there. I do not know the user that is in question, he probably got the phrase from the youtube video, like I did. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  20:34, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey, what's with those DBZ Saga articles?
They're nothing but a useless sentence and the DB template. Since this seems to be your fault, do something about them. - The Norse (talk) 23:13, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

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Evil Dragons
Yo. I'd just like to ask why you undid my edits to Syn and Nouva Shenron's pages. You claimed there was too much info, which I can agree to in regards to Syn/Omega, but the current entires are appauling and (ironically) minimalistic. The grammar is also atrocious. Can we not agree on some sort of middle ground? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.76.231.74 (talk) 22:32, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Bring on the '08
-- bullet  proof  3:16 08:56, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Update
Hey man, what's up? There's a discussion going on here in case you were uninformed. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:59, 15 January 2008 (UTC)