User talk:DBaba/Archive 7

Red Summer of 1919
Glad to see you added some material to the Red Summer of 1919 entry. Do you plan to add more? I've been working on it and was planning to go through the Encyclopedia of American Race Riots next week. I'm mostly interested in beefing up Red Summer of 1919 and then adding material from it to the very poor (IMHO) entry for First Red Scare.

Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 10:57, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


 * It's really wonderful work you've done there. It really needed that attention.  I won't be focusing on it but I'll try to add something here and there.  I came back to this topic in part because of some edits at Duluth lynchings, which I've worked on extensively, and which has, interestingly, sometimes been visited by a descendant of a man involved in the lynchings, who published a book about his sadness and anxiety upon discovering his family connection to the violence. That entry now seems to have had a couple edits from an artist involved with commemorating the tragedy.  If you're interested in the subject, there's a really moving 14-minute film about the 1920 Duluth lynchings and their commemoration, linked at bottom from that entry.  Anyway, keep up the great work.  I'll make some contributions to those pages, though they won't be as transformative as what you've already done there.  Cheers, DBaba (talk) 20:11, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Valley of the wolves
Hi, you have removed the phrase "by western media" from the sentence "The film has been widely criticized by western media". I am aware of the policies of Wiki, but the assertion was self evident without being an original research IMO. If you look at the sources, it is clear(and you seem to agree, given your edit comment). But the danger here in removing is that "widely criticized" gives the impression that the condemnation was universal whereas in fact only Western media had a problem with it. With most of the world's population and media living outside West, wouldn't it be fair either to include that sentence or alternatively, to remove the part "widely" from "widely criticized" as there is no citation for that either(apart from assuming that it is also self evident)?  Z e n c v  Whisper 22:43, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe that "widely criticized" is adequately cited; Israeli, German, and American sources are present. There is nothing suggesting that this criticism is Western-centric in the citations, and adding that into a sentence with numerous citations implies that the claim is supported by those citations.  Know what I mean?  So it should appear in a discrete sentence with its own citation, if available.  That aside, I certainly respect your perspective, and I'm sure there are citations to back it up.  Cheers, DBaba (talk) 01:10, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Cave of the Patriarchs massacre
Please note that I gave valid arguments for my edits to Cave of the Patriarchs massacre, while you restore your text with only the claim that I should seek consensus. Now why should that claim pertain to me more than it does to you, and why didn't you seek consensus before making your edits?? Debresser (talk) 17:35, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * That you deem it unimportant, this is not valid reasoning. We'll talk it out.  Cheers, DBaba (talk) 17:37, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, meet you on the talk page. Debresser (talk) 17:59, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Robert Spencer criticism
Hello. I occasionally check articles that I've edited in the past to see what changes have been made since I edited. I noticed that at Robert Spencer (writer), you reverted my edit but did not address my concerns posted on the article's talk page, although my edit summary pointed editors to the talk page. Two other editors had expressed a positive opinion of the NPOV treatment that I had attempted. I'm left wondering why you chose to restore that text. Would you be kind enough to drop by the article's talk page and add a short note explaining why you think that text should have been restored? Thank you, and happy editing! 152.16.59.102 (talk) 10:15, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I like what you did with the article. That looks well-balanced and still leaves the "meat" of the criticism section.  Thank you for taking the time to tidy up that section.  152.16.59.102 (talk) 08:40, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for giving me the chance to straighten it out. Cheers, DBaba (talk) 01:58, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Edit warring on Cave etc.
I have posted you on WP:ANI again, see Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents. Debresser (talk) 21:47, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * You knew I was going to ask you to the same dance! Cheers, DBaba (talk) 22:24, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * You know come to think of it, although inconceivable IMHO, a ban from that page would be a freakin gift to me. I would have done everything in my power to prevent the injustice I see being done there:  Everything.  I would be free:  No longer morally liable to act, by virtue of my knowing what you're doing there.  Because I am fortunate enough not to be a party in this macabre comedy, I could just move on and not look back on the page and its direction.  And thank God I am not bound to this ugliness by the fabric of my identity, so that I need not carry the lies and corpses on my back the rest of my life.


 * But even if that were the case there would still be a way out: a reworking of my identity, so that no shameful things are admitted. No slyness, no backward-lookingness, no preconceptions, standing against all murderers, in a great big world of potential allies, or at least people who would be your allies if they truly knew you, because you would know yourself to be loyal to humanity.  But if we make our identity into something sneaky, if we organize our identity in a premodern way, and we evaluate humans on the wrong axises, we invite much grief.


 * So, I guess I have religious views myself. And in keeping with them, I forgive you completely. DBaba (talk) 23:41, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

GA reassessment of African American culture
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article following its listing at Good articles/Cleanup listing. You are being notified as you have made a number of contributions to the article. I have found some concerns which you can see at Talk:African American culture/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 13:08, 21 March 2010 (UTC)