User talk:DD Brubeck

Managing a conflict of interest
Hello, DD Brubeck. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Darius Brubeck, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:


 * avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization, clients, or competitors;
 * propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the edit COI template);
 * disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see Conflict of interest);
 * avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see Spam);
 * do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. Tacyarg (talk) 22:26, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia and copyright
Hello DD Brubeck! Your additions to Darius Brubeck have been removed in whole or in part, as they appear to have added copyrighted content without evidence that the source material is in the public domain or has been released by its owner or legal agent under a suitably-free and compatible copyright license. (To request such a release, see Requesting copyright permission.) While we appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, there are certain things you must keep in mind about using information from sources to avoid copyright and plagiarism issues.


 * You can only copy/translate a small amount of a source, and you must mark what you take as a direct quotation with double quotation marks (") and cite the source using an inline citation. You can read about this at Non-free content in the sections on "text". See also Help:Referencing for beginners, for how to cite sources here.
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It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices, as policy requires that people who persistently do not must be blocked from editing. If you have any questions about this, please ask them here on this page, or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. Tacyarg (talk) 22:29, 18 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Dear Tracyarg,
 * I am Darius Brubeck. I did not copyright my web bio which I pasted in to my wiki page so that I can update. Perhaps your algorhythm detected that I pasted in paragraph it thought was copyrighted?  I also made purely editorial changes in the body, mainly to update. I hope this work has not been lost. The most important update is announcing the publication of a book this year. That's just info, not promo.
 * I have questions for you: 1. Have removed changes been saved somewhere so I can retrieve them, at least for my own use?
 * 2. Do I really have to ask someone else to submit updates when I am the subject of the article? I am the one with the most accurate information. I will maintian neutrality and avoid promotional language.
 * 3. No offense intended but are you a person or a robot? If the latter, is there a human being I can take this up with?
 * Thanks,
 * Darius Brubeck DD Brubeck (talk) 10:17, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, thank you for your reply. 1. Yes, they are in the page history. 2. It is strongly discouraged to edit an article about yourself. Please read the conflict of interest guidance linked above. 3. I am a person, but you are welcome to ask other editors for guidance at the Teahouse. Tacyarg (talk) 10:31, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delighted to meet you Tacyarg.
 * Great to have a person to talk to. As I said, I meant no offense by that question. One hears too much nowadays about AI and I hate it.
 * I get the 'strongly discouraged' part but my page is quite out of date. More questions: Do you have access to my page history? If you do, can you decide if my changes constitute COI. If so, what should I take out so my other updates can appear. I also edited out some somewhat 'stale' content uploaded years ago. I don't know what copyright material refers but maybe I can just delete it?
 * I need to leave in a few minutes but will be back tomorrow if not later today. Hoping for more replies from you in the meantime.
 * Darius DD Brubeck (talk) 11:03, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Darius, the reason users are discouraged from editing their own Wikipedia biography is due to the difficulty of maintaining the proper neutral point of view. No matter how much you try, you will always be more biased in favor of yourself. Instead, if you find there are factual errors or omissions in your biography, you are encouraged to request edits at the article's talk page for others to evaluate. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:34, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi WikiDans,
 * As I said before, I get the COI implications but only ask to be given a fair chance to update and improve a very stale bio. It truly is 'editing' because I am working on a wiki article I didn't upload myself, even if re-writing and significant reorganization takes place. No one knows better than me what I've done, especially since 2005 or thereabouts. Life moves on. I have carefully referenced external sources; it's essentially a short CV, but organized differently. I am frequently interviewed by grad students, authors and for blogs and broadcasts. I'm filling in background so I don't have to keep repeating it. Who else is going to do this if I don't? Please point out problems to me after I've finished and I will correct them.
 * Thanks for being in touch.
 * Darius DD Brubeck (talk) 10:12, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Darius, I get that the bio is stale. As I mentioned before, edit requests are your best option. Use the article's talk page to request the changes you'd like to see, with reliable sources to back up your requests. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:05, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello Again WikiDan,
 * I appreciate that you are a volunteer and don't want to spend lots of time negotiating but PLEASE bear with me. I checked the edit requests page. My requests fit 3 out of 4 criteria in that they are uncontroversial, necessary and sensible. There are too many 'specifics' so listing each item would require another editor to practically re-write the article to include them anyway. Meanwhile, how on earth does one obtain proof of consensus? That seems a deal-breaker doing it the bureaucratic way proposed in the guidelines.
 * The original article was haphazardly organized. It is hard to be specific about that, without just doing the writing oneself. I have been improving chronological order, adding citations, changing headings, and adding information. This has taken hours and I'm not finished yet. Wikipedia is as about as much research as people do these days, so I think these changes are very neccessary and bias isn't an issue. There can't be different opinions about a date or a title or any of the facts I've added.
 * Now, if there are rules that categorically say I can't do this, (wiki-speak was 'strongly discouraged', isn't absolute), can I do either of the following? 1. Upload my entire newly edited version when it's finished for review via edit requests? (Making a lot of work for somebody that they might not do) 2. Send my version to a person other than myself to submit who will have my permission to claim authorship?
 * Better than any workaround would be to allow me to finish what I'm doing and then ask for corrections or references as and when problems are identified. What do you think?
 * Thanks,
 * Darius DD Brubeck (talk) 16:35, 26 September 2023 (UTC)


 * You were asked repeatedly to use the article talk page to suggest edits. I removed your COI edits since much of them were completely unreferenced. ThaddeusSholto (talk) 17:11, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
 * That's a rather hostile move! You should have shown me where COI edits took place and I would have removed them myself. I have referenced publications etc according to instructions so you're a little trigger happy. I don't understand why a person isn;t allowed to update one's own bio but I do understand COI and have avoided it. I never claimed to be famous, wealthy, the greatest... What's wrong? Did you even read my note to WikiDan? I have been repeatedly asked to do something that I don't understand how to do and doesn't appear to help anyone, least of all other editors. Do you really want a long list of dates, titles, full paragraphs that have been added, etc. ? The original article - if you go back through history - is incomplete and badly organized. Just read it and tell me I'm wrong if you think so.
 * Can you at least tell me YES/NO : Does someone else have to write my bio? DD Brubeck (talk) 17:23, 26 September 2023 (UTC)


 * WikiDan61 explained to you that editing your own article is a conflict of interest. You can claim you have avoided COI but you have the conflict yourself. The very first comment at the top of the page asks you to limit yourself to the talk page and you must disclose your COI which you haven't done. You asked WikiDan61 if you could just go ahead and edit it yourself and then a half an hour later you did it without waiting for a reply. ThaddeusSholto (talk) 17:49, 26 September 2023 (UTC)


 * A further question. How do you SAVE without publishing? There isn't a visible save button. I would have done that. Now I sort of understand why you deleted some changes ie because the article was published temporarily while I gathered more info, but I did say in the Summary that the article was incomplete. Normally an editor is helpful but you are just a gate-keeper. Please pass me on to someone who can help. DD Brubeck (talk) 17:38, 26 September 2023 (UTC)


 * You cannot save without publishing. You could create a tentative draft in your own sandbox and link to it via the article talk page so others can look over your proposal and use what they see fit to use. ThaddeusSholto (talk) 17:49, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Darius, to answer your YES/NO question above succinctly: yes, someone else has to write your bio. Someone unrelated to you, who is writing based on what reliable published sources have said, not based on what you, yourself, would like your bio to say. Many people find this Wikipedia policy frustrating, but it is the only way to keep things fair and neutral. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:23, 27 September 2023 (UTC)