User talk:DGaw/Archives/Archive 1

CC Probation
I have recorded my objections on the AN subpage as well as on Ryan's talk page. Depending on his response I intend to enter a new arbitration request regarding his premature closing and implementation of these sanctions. Since you have expressed a similar set of concerns would you be interested in being a named party to such a request? --GoRight (talk) 07:42, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Arbitration Request Notification
You are involved in a recently-filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Requests for arbitration and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use—
 * Requests for arbitration;
 * Arbitration guide.

Thanks, --GoRight (talk) 10:00, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Unjustified revert on climate change
Thank you for your contributions to the encyclopedia! In case you are not already aware, an article to which you have recently contributed is on article probation.

Your revert to Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change was to material fully covered in the cited source, and removed a valid source. Note that the probation prohibits edit warring on these articles, any further removal of valid cited content will be regarded as vandalism. . dave souza, talk 14:04, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Dave, the problem was not with the cited source, but with the POV tone of your text. Your content was not valid, my reversion was, and was made in good faith.  Good faith edits are not to be regarded as vandalism, and an administrator treating them as if they were would be a serious breach of duty.  DGaw (talk) 14:59, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for raising this and discussing it amicably. I'd have had no difficulty with you editing the tone while following the source and reflecting the clear majority view, but I don't think simple reversion removing properly cited information is acceptable, though you did give detail in your edit summary. On reviewing it, the NAS findings are more significant than Fred Pearce's investigative journalism, and I've modified it accordingly. Hope that meets your concerns, dave souza, talk 17:20, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Rollback
Hello, per your request, I've granted you Rollback rights! Just remember:
 * Rollback gives you access to certain scripts, including Huggle and Igloo, some of which can be very powerful, so exercise caution
 * Rollback is only for blatant vandalism
 * Having Rollback rights does not give you any special status or authority
 * Misuse of Rollback can lead to its removal by any administrator
 * Please read Help:Reverting and Rollback feature to get to know the workings of the feature
 * You can test Rollback at New admin school/Rollback
 * You may wish to display the User wikipedia/rollback userbox and/or the Rollback top icon on your user page
 * If you have any questions, please do let me know.

-- HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   17:55, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Your use of rollback
Can you explain this edit please? Spartaz Humbug! 05:14, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * An error, I'm afraid; thank you for bringing it to my attention. As you can see from my history list, I wasn't otherwise editing last night; I was, however, browsing the case pages using my iPhone, on which the distinction between a scroll or zoom and a click is minimal.  I must have triggered a link I didn't mean to.  Sorry about that, and as you say, I will exercise greater care.  I'm going to refrain from browsing the site from the phone in future, which should avoid a recurrence.  I'm so noting on Tony's page also.  --DGaw (talk) 12:04, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes I thought it would probably be something like that. Thank you for the good grace in which you handled this feedback. If you like irony, TS removed the post you accidentally rolled-back after second thoughts. Maybe this was actually less of an accidental rollback and more a case of prescient time saving for TS? Spartaz Humbug! 16:53, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed! In fact, it's a fortunate coincidence that this happened with Tony, since it led me to understand how avoiding such mishaps inspired his use of a second non-rollback-enabled account.  It's an idea I'm adopting myself.  --DGaw (talk) 19:02, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, Spartaz is right. My comment was inflammatory because I didn't fully consider the effect my use of language might have on the reader. --TS 19:55, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, well, I think that happens to all of us from time to time. :) --DGaw (talk) 20:40, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

On my user talk page I hinted that it's best to use a non-rollback alternate username for access by telephone. Another advantage to using a different username is that you can set more appropriate preferences. For instance to save bandwidth my mobile telephone username preferences have "Do not show page content below diffs" checked in the Misc tab. This means I can follow discussions without downloading the whole talk page every time I look at a diff. I also have lower default limits set for page histories. --TS 13:22, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tips! --DGaw (talk)

your note
I added my agreement to your suggestion on tony sidway's page. the issue seems to still be coming up. could you please examine the page history at talk:Global warming? thanks. --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 21:26, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Sources?
If you have reliable sources which indicate that the files were not stolen (ie, that they were released with the permission of UEA or the owners of the files), then you need to share the sources. I'd be very interested in seeing these reliable sources. Guettarda (talk) 04:03, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Terri-Rae Elmer
A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Terri-Rae Elmer, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the  notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised because even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? Rtphokie (talk) 14:00, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Env. record
Hi, I've reverted "crit." to "record," in order to make the edit consistent with the Environmental Record Task Force. We want to keep this consistent across the encyclopedia.Benzocane 03:15, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi. I understand your concern. The goal of the TF is not only to add criticism--if you want to add "positive" information about the relevant entry, and such information exists, please do so. Not all the records are critical--they just contain the most relevant information. If the task force adopts the language you suggest, then there will be an NPOV risk; as is, the language invites editors to add all relevant information no matter if it constitutes criticism or praise. Please think beyond this particular entry--the ERTF is well established and involves tens of editors. Administratively, we need consistency across headings. Again, I understand your concern and share it--I just think "record" is less of an advocacy risk than criticism. I appreciate your engagement and I'm happy, of course, to discuss this further. Perhaps we should move our conversation to the ERTF page? Thanks! Benzocane 18:52, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Use of rollback
Hi DGaw. I'm just wondering why you rolled back 'Out of the Blue (Oxford University) to before my edits? 217.137.120.129 (talk) 22:04, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, that appears to have been an error on my part. I've self-reverted, and reinstated your edit.  Apologies for any inconvenience.  --DGaw (talk) 23:19, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Vance Gough


The article Vance Gough has been proposed for deletion because under Wikipedia policy, all biographies of living persons created after March 18, 2010, must have at least one source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't take offense. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners or ask at Help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the prod blp tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within ten days, the article may be deleted, but you can when you are ready to add one. Coolug (talk) 08:16, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Nomination of Richard B. Wilson K-8 School for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Richard B. Wilson K-8 School is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Richard B. Wilson K-8 School until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Raymie (t • c) 23:03, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

 * Well, thanks! I love cookies.  :)  DGaw (talk) 17:14, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Speedy request on ISASCO Limited
Hi. I had to decline the reason on the Speedy request on ISASCO Limited as G1 - patent nonsense. This reason is for gibberish not for an understandable article or text. The article was written in English and definitely not gibberish but an essay. There is no category for essays but you could always PROD it if you think it doesn't belong. In this case it was advertisement so it was deleted as G11 - Advertising. -- Alexf(talk) 16:40, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up; yes, G11 does seem appropriate. DGaw (talk) 16:50, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

New Page Patrol Survey
The main problem is anything related to Crystal Johnson is redirected to Cristyle page. I'm trying to create the new page but am having problems. Again, can't the Crystal Johnson page be deleted since the other person does not use Crystal Johnson professionally? Cryssyj (talk) 19:41, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Cont'd
The main problem is anything related to Crystal Johnson is redirected to Cristyle page. I'm trying to create the new page but am having problems. Again, can't the Crystal Johnson page be deleted since the other person does not use Crystal Johnson professionally?Cryssyj (talk) 19:48, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, hard to say for sure, but... probably not, since the Cristyle article does refer to her by her full name, and the redirect is probably there assuming people will search for her by it. The thing is, the minimum time to delete it would probably be ten days or so, by which time you could probably have the second Crystal Johnson article up anyway, at which point you wouldn't want to delete it, you'd just replace it with a disambiguation page.


 * Is this the other (non-Cristyle) Crystal Johnson we're talking about?  --DGaw (talk) 20:06, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

yes it is the "non-cristyle" crystal johnson(crystaljohnson.com and crystaljohnson.net). The Cristyle Johnson is not a recording artist and uses Crystal Nicole Johnson, not Crystal Johnson. I was successfully able delete the redirect. So should I be able to add to the existing crystal johnson page because I've not been able to create a new crystal johnson page. I'm new to using wikipedia... Thank you so much for your helpCryssyj (talk) 20:19, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

I just noticed that the page was deleted entirely (approved my request) now I'd like to start anew. Can you please lead me in the right direction. This wiki.. is a bit confusing to me.Cryssyj (talk) 20:57, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I noticed that too. One of the admins apparently took you as the original creator of the redirect, and since the original creator IS allowed to blank it, it was speedy deleted.  So... I've created a page for the singer Crystal Johnson here if you'd like to expand that.  I've also created a disambiguation page to put in the "Crystal Johnson" slot, and I'll drop Malik a note and see if he needs to undelete the redirect for us to put the disambiguation page in its place.  --DGaw (talk) 21:06, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

you're an angel. thanks so much. one thing, Crystal Johnson is also a songwrtier, producer, and actress (not just a singer). can that be added as well as I have theatrical credits that I'd like to incorporate as well? And yes the redirect should be removed from the original to avoid confusion. Can the crystaljohnson.com website also be added to the page?Cryssyj (talk) 21:16, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The "(singer)" in the article name is really just because Wikipedia doesn't allow there to be two pages with the same name, and because including "singer" helps people distinguish between the two artists; when you get into the article text itself, you should see it notes she is a songwriter, actor, producer, also. Calling the article "Crystal Johnson (Singer, Songwriter, Producer, and Actress" might be a bit cumbersome, I think.  --DGaw (talk) 21:31, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

I understand that however there's only one crystal johnson page at present (original was deleted). Would it be too much to add actress? that way, it would eliminate confusion between the two. Also for outside works done, i.e., pete rock & cl smooth (take you there) or Who's The Man Soundtrack (Lovin You), would I be able to transfer that info from another page onto mine? to add to my discog.Cryssyj (talk) 21:50, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Crystal Johnson (singer)
Hello, DGaw, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia!

I wanted to let you know that I’m proposing an article that you worked on, Crystal Johnson (singer), for deletion because I don't think it meets our criteria for inclusion. If you don't want the article deleted:


 * 1) edit the page
 * 2) remove the text that looks like this:
 * 3) save the page

It helps to explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page. If you have any questions, feel free to ask on the Help Desk. Thanks again for contributing! red dog six (talk) 22:06, 13 November 2011 (UTC) confused. can you please explain?? ThanksCryssyj (talk) 22:50, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

please let me know what needs to be done on my end to prevent deletion? the article was deleted earlier today by accident earlier today (active for many years . I created a new page which may be deleted?? Cryssyj (talk) 23:26, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Basically, what happened is another editor has proposed the article be deleted because they don't believe it contains sufficient evidence to demonstrate the artist in question is "notable", as Wikipedia defines that. Evidence of notability would include, for example, coverage in multiple sources not related to the artist (album reviews, magazine articles, local newspaper stories, etc.), charting a song or album, winning an award, or documented collaboration on one or more works that has charted, won an award, etc. The idea behind the rule is to limit the use of Wikipedia as a promotional vehicle.) To keep the article from being deleted, any editor can add information and references that demonstrate notability. There is a 7-day grace period between when the article is marked and when it is actually be deleted, so there is a little time.  --DGaw (talk) 23:54, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

I do have sufficient verifiable evidence. On Wiki alone Crystal Johnson (non-cristyle) is associated to various major projects (both as a feature artist and co-writer). There are also album reviews, magazine articles and several charted albums which artist has written on. Just confused as to how I should import the info.. as a link?? Cryssyj (talk) 00:31, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * There's an introduction to references here:Referencing for beginners that you can check out; it includes instructions on how to format reference text, which is unfortunately a bit complicated. Just so you know, sources on a wiki (including Wikipedia itself) generally don't count.  To quality, a reference has to provide the fact it is documenting, and anything that can be edited by the public doesn't accomplish that.  If you just insert a fact without pointing to documentation somewhere other than on a wiki, you'll usually see it get removed again fairly quickly.  (I notice this has already happened to some of your edits to track and album articles.)  Album credits would count, as would credit where a name was associated with a track in, say, Billboard.  --DGaw (talk) 00:54, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

VERIFIABLE INFO FOR CRYSTAL JOHSON ARTICLE
Hello, as you suggested, here are several article, press releases, etc. to validate/verify for non deletion. Artist Crystal Johnson: singer, producer, writer, info. In the meantime, I'm reading the info on how to properly list the info into the article. If more documentation is needed, please let me know. I look forward to your response. Thank you

Crystal Johnson Various Works

http://top40-charts.com/news.php?nid=66641

http://www.dustygroove.com/item.php?id=wj49nqd8mp

http://www.musicforte.com/article/songbird-crystal-johnson-drops-debut-cd-the-day-before-heaven/

http://www.billboard.com/#/album/original-soundtrack/who-s-the-man-original-soundtrack/132519

http://www.complex.com/music/2011/06/interview-pete-rock-classics/take-you-there

http://soulbounce.com/soul/2008/12/who_is_hip_hops_best_singer.php

http://www.artistdirect.com/artist/albums/releases/crystal-j-johnson/449730

http://www.billboard.com/#/song/christopher-williams/solidarity/1764991

http://www.billboard.com/#/album/christopher-williams/not-a-perfect-man/160883

http://wn.com/Crystal_Johnson

http://foreverdc.com/tag/crystal-johnson/

http://www.tallguysgearguide.com/my-blog/2011/05/crystal-johnson-all-things-in-their-time.html

http://www.dromnyc.com/events/881/crystal-johnson-cd-release-event

http://news-releases.theurbanmusicscene.com/2011/05/17/songbird-crystal-johnson-drops-debut-cd-the-day-before-heaven.aspx

http://rapgenius.com/Mobb-deep-temperatures-rising-lyrics

http://www.albumcancionyletra.com/temperature-s-rising-with-crystal-johnson_de_mobb-deep___245040.aspx

http://music-releases.com/release/396242/Horace%20Brown/Strictly%20Swing%20Vol.1/ (COMPILATION FEATURE)

http://www.ravemagazine.com.au/component/option,com_mamblog/Itemid,116/task,show/action,view/id,26797/

http://www.thecrusade.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=6136

http://prodby.altervista.org/search_results.php Cryssyj (talk) 13:59, 15 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi. Giving these a quick look, a number of them appear to be derived from a press release.  If that is so, those references won't really work, because WP guidelines assume a press release is a non-neutral source.  Any articles written independently by the press would work.


 * As for ensuring appropriate attribution of work, the various track and album credits can definitely be cited, for example, in an article about an album to note that Crystal Johnson sang on or produced a particular track. To insert a footnote to that effect within an article, you could reference the liner notes/album credits by pasting in the block of text below at the place in the article where you want the footnote to appear (only with the blanks filled in, obviously.)  --DGaw (talk) 19:40, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

I only posted press releases because it was an option(if several were re-posted)..

If I understand you correctly, you're saying that I should copy the above box (with info filled in) and place it on the article page? along with a verifiable link?Cryssyj (talk) 14:13, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Cryssyj (talk) 13:27, 19 November 2011 (UTC)Hello, I'd like to include theatrical (Broadway) credits via IBDB for Crystal Johnson (singer). Here's the verifiable link. http://ibdb.com/person.php?id=80476

Could you please assist in adding a Theatre and Writer's title of the article. I'm attempting to have the proposal for removal deleted from the article by the deadline

Thank you

A tool for you!
Hi DGaw! I've just come across one of your edits (or that you have been patrolling new pages), and noticed that you might appreciate some help with references.

I case you're not aware, you might consider using this tool – it makes your life a whole heap easier, by filling in complete citation templates for your links. All you do is install the script: // Add WP:Reflinks launcher in the toolbox on left addOnloadHook(function { addPortletLink( "p-tb",    // toolbox portlet "http://toolserver.org/~dispenser/cgi-bin/webreflinks.py/" + wgPageName + "?client=script&citeweb=on&overwrite=&limit=30&lang=" + wgContentLanguage, "Reflinks" // link label )}); onto Special:MyPage/skin.js, then paste the bare URL between your tabs, and you'll find a clickable link called Reflinks in your toolbox section of the page (probably in the left hand column). Then click that tool. It does all the rest of the work (provided that you remember to save the page! It doesn't work for everything (particularly often not for PDF documents), but for pretty much anything ending in "htm" or "html" (and with a title) it will do really, really well. You may consider taking on Category:Articles needing link rot cleanup. So long! --Sp33dyphil © • © 07:23, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Very cool; thanks for the tip! --DGaw (talk) 00:06, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Bristol Classic Boat Company
Hi DGaw. Just to let you know, I declined this speedy deletion. I'd suggest it would need to go via AfD if it is to be deleted. Thanks, Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 06:31, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

FWIW, I agree.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy&diff=463523788&oldid=463516172

Nothing has changed on the page so why would the dispute have gone away? I would propose some fixes but my participation there seems unwanted and I don't want to stir anything up. Better to do something else for now I guess. The issue has been debated without resolution and it has been well hashed out at this point on the talk page. Until there is some movement on the section to address the NPOV issues already discussed I think that the tag is the best available resolution. --News Historian (talk) 19:09, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Number of Brazilians currently living in Portugal
Hi DGaw.

I am not registered in wikipedia but I decided to edit the article in question because it was outdated.

As of 2006 ~100 thousand Brazilians lived in Portugal. I wanted to add a source, but unfortunately I'm a mess with wikipedia's UI, so, if you don't mind, and you agree with me, here it is:

http://lusotopia.no.sapo.pt/indexBREmigrantes.html

It's worth nothing that this is the source and the current number present in the Portuguese version of the very same article, and while the source is in Portuguese, I guess it is valid nevertheless.
 * Ah, I see. Yes, I can add this --DGaw (talk) 02:36, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, should be good to go. Thanks for dropping by and pointing out the number being out-of-date.  --DGaw (talk) 02:49, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Talk page guidelines
It is generally poor practice to interrupt the comments of other users and add replies. Viriditas (talk) 23:29, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey, thanks for the link. What it says about interruptions is actually that it can be okay to interrupt a long contribution, but I see there are guidelines for doing it that wasn't aware of, one of which is that you do not object. I replied that way to make it easy for you and others to follow the flow, while minimizing the amount of duplication on the page. If you like, I can restore your comment to its original form, and place my reply below, including quotes of the corresponding appropriate section of your comment). --DGaw (talk) 23:58, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm responding right now, so I've left it as is. In the future, please don't interrupt replies. Viriditas (talk) 00:00, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay. --DGaw (talk) 00:14, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

CSD/PROD/AfD
Please see Talk:Saperion. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 03:32, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, gotcha. It did seem strange that an article AfDed so long ago could have escaped deletion. Will AfD. --DGaw(talk) 03:35, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

CSD A7 on OmniPay and One Voice (Iowa)
Hi, I wanted to let you know that I challenged your WP:CSD A7s on OmniPay and One Voice (Iowa). In the first case, OmniPay appears in enough google news results that it may be notable, so a AfD nomination would probably be in order. In the case of One Voice (Iowa), there is a claim of importance in the controversies section, which is enough to avoid A7, but as it is somewhat tangential, would probably not be enough to avoid a PROD or AfD on notability grounds. Monty 845  17:04, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, fair enough, thanks. FYI, while I did find reliable sources via Google that mention a company called OmniPay, they appear to refer to a different company with the same name. I didn't find evidence the e-Gold company OmniPay is notable. I see what you mean about One Voice, but the source for that section doesn't even mention One Voice, only Cargill himself, which supports his notability, but not that of his organization.  --DGaw (talk) 17:27, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
 * In both cases, I think the threshold for passing A7 is low enough that it isn't the way to go. I certainly have no objection if you want to nominate one or both under alternative deletion processes. Monty  845  17:33, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Deletion notifications
Hi DGaw. Back in November, you got either an AfD or PROD notification and it was during one of the template testing project's experiments. If you could go here and leave us some feedback about what you think about the new versions of the templates we tested (1, 2), that would be very useful. (You can also email me at swalling@undefinedwikimedia.org if you want.) Thanks! Steven Walling (WMF) &bull; talk   23:58, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Poledo

 * Maybe you could justify a prod, but CSDA7 on a five year old article like this with some substantive content? I think the fuck not.--Milowent • hasspoken  01:03, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * There is no statute of limitations for CSD, and the article made no assertion of notability, and hence met the criteria; that it was not nominated previously did not make it ineligible now, your colorful language notwithstanding. It had also been languishing unreferenced and tagged for notability for more than four years.  Happily, the addition references you and Bearcat have added have improved the article to the point where its notability is no longer in question.  Well done.   --DGaw (talk) 02:09, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * My colorful language was unnecessary, sorry bout that. But I wish folks would just PROD an article like that instead of CSDA7'ing it.  It won't hurt to give it 7 days, its totally random that I happened across it before speedy deletion.  I've started to check what's in there occasionally and have a new respect for new page patrollers and the importance of what they do, but sometimes I find stuff that concerns me.  Thanks.--Milowent • hasspoken  12:15, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

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