User talk:DMackofMack

Clan Mackintosh
I am citing the references for the septs below.

Paul as a Sept of Mackintosh
There are many inaccuracies in print and online. As my friend Dr. Bruce Durie has said, "Just because it is writ, it doesn't make it true." The Paul name had been associated with Mackintosh up through the 1950s. The previous chief, Lachlan Mackintosh, removed the name as a sept. Despite Wikipedia logic, a Clan Chief can add or subtract sept names without any formal references stating the change. The current Chief, John Mackintosh, accepted these changes when he became Chief. The name is more closely regarded as a part of MacPhail, meaning son of Paul. The Paul name is not regarded as a proper sept of any clan in the Chattan Confederation. But John Mackfall, President of Phail lists Paul in his book. When MacPhail was removed from Mackintosh, as a sept, and made a clan of their own right, a number of sept names went with them. This includes MacPhail, MacPheal, MacPhaile, MacPhayll, McFall, MacFall, McFaul, MacFauld, McFell, and Paul. It was at that time that Paul was dropped as a sept. The Scots connection link is full of errors. The sept list includes spelling variations of the official list. This is mostly done to be more inclusive and gain more members. It also includes the Clan of MacThomas and its associated septs as septs of Mackintosh. This Clan first broke from Mackintosh around 1464, but the name was still associated with Mackintosh until the formation of the Clan MacThomas Society in 1954. The Clan of the Cat webpage has been an issue for many years. Based upon the idea of inclusion and not on facts. The third link is also in error. Many of these lists are based on other incorrect lists, which in turn justify their own incorrect lists. The fourth link is again filled with errors. Doles is a spelling variation of Dallas. Higginson is an Irish name that was not associated with the Scottish Mackintosh. The Hossack name can be found in Inverness, but is not associated with Mackintosh. MacCartney was thought to be a spelling variation of MacCardney. But the two name have different roots. MacCardney is a variation of MacHardie and MaCartney is a spelling variation of MacCarthy, which is an Irish name not associated with Mackintosh. Mackieson is thought to be a derivative of the son of the Mack, but is not associated with Mackintosh. Paul, see above. Smith is associated with Clan Macpherson. Thain is not associated with Mackintosh. It is believed to have been added since Mackintosh is "son of the Thane." The fifth link is just a hot mess of errors.

Clan Mackintosh
I appreciate your input with the Clan Mackintosh septs, but please could you add a proper reference to the article (use the Clan Chattan website if necessary) as all the info in the article is supposed to be sourced. Wikipedia is about reflecting what the sources say. Also, I should point out to you that despite you claiming to be a President of the clan, that gives you no authority here on Wikipedia. Not even the clan chiefs have any authority here on Wikipedia and the same applies with any other organisation in the world that has a Wikipedia article about it. Regards, QuintusPetillius (talk) 17:55, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Paul as a Sept of Mackintosh
Fully concur with the above. I should have cited my change and should have had a chat with everyone first. Nonetheless I grew up with the idea instilled that Pauls could be found as a clan proper or as septs under various clans. Some Paul's lived in very close proximity to the Mackintosh and some of them aligned with that clan rather than their own politically weak family. I leave for your perusal some links that state some Paul's were affiliated with Clan Mackintosh. If I am wrong, explain why, don't just say no, that has no academic value.

Links for perusal: