User talk:DMacks/Archive 12

Covina High School
Thank you for helping out. If you think I've been overzealous in copy editing feel free to revert me; I'm not big on the unsourced sections promoting high school clubs. Cheers, 99.155.206.229 (talk) 20:48, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks to you too! I agree that there had been too much unencyclopediac content ("WP is not your school's homepage or a recruiting/publicity tool"), and your trimming seems fine. DMacks (talk) 20:50, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Youngevity Page
Hi DMacks,

I'm Evan. I work for a digital marketing company and I'm tasked with helping Youngevity get an accurate post here on Wikipedia. I appreciate you deleting the old one, it was obvious spam (I didn't write it) and it saved me the trouble of deleting it. I was wondering if you'd be interested in collaborating on a new, objective one. I can do the writing but if you wouldn't mind checking it for voice and objectivity, I feel like we could work well together.

Let me know what you think.

Erob1 (talk) 18:45, 19 August 2011 (UTC)Erob1

rosocyanine, again
This isn't a new topic, but I don't know where to find the old topic. If you agree with my last post on the Talk:Rosocyanine page, viz., Fixed the missing H, thanks. Not sure exactly what you propose wrt the chloride, but you'll see where I put it. The structure is now "rosocyanine proposal 2.png". I'm not sure how best to make a negative charge by ChemDraw. The rest of the text is Arial 12. If you stay in Arial 12 and superscript the "-", I think it's too small and inconspicuous. What I've done for both negative charges is to change the size to 14, not superscripted, type a "-", and just move it into place.HowardJWilk (talk) 03:23, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Direct page to structure is http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rosocyanine_proposal_2.png. Can you tell me how to put the new structure in on the rosocyanine page, or put it in yourself (and tell me how so I can do the same sort of thing the next time)?HowardJWilk (talk) 03:15, 20 August 2011 (UTC) Also, there's something on my user talk:HowardJWilk page: "CategorizationBot (talk) 12:22, 4 August 2011 (UTC) Image:Rosocyanine proposal 2.png was uncategorized on 3 August 2011 CategorizationBot (talk) 12:22, 4 August 2011 (UTC)" Could you tell me what it should be categorized under and how to put it under that category?HowardJWilk (talk) 03:29, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

invite
Ryan Vesey Review me!  20:58, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Temazepam
Editor 24.57 has reinserted 20k material in a bulk edit, which undoes a rollback by FVasconcellos because of misrepresented sources and dozens of repair edits. This is vandalism. Can you deal with it? I have reverted that now. 70.137.128.154 (talk) 17:08, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Never mind. Vandal now blocked. 70.137.128.154 (talk) 17:40, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Internet begging edit warrior
is at it again. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 16:18, 20 August 2011 (UTC)


 * "Yay"? Sorry was offline for a few days, thanks for catching it. I'll reblock if it happens again. DMacks (talk) 19:56, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

User:Aman4Bebo
Hi, this editor adds rowspans to filmography tables even after multiple warnings and also removes the awards under "Notes" section without any explanation. His edits in this regard are all completely against MOS. Can you keep an eye on him. -- Commander (Ping Me) 13:15, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks like some other admins already handled it while I was out of town. I've got a bunch of the usual targets of this pattern on my watchlist, so (when I'm on-line) I can catch it and block/protect promptly if warnings aren't working. DMacks (talk) 20:09, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

For your information
Per past conversations, you may be interested in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine. Thanks. --Tryptofish (talk) 14:25, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Responded. Thanks for the ping. DMacks (talk) 20:05, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

My arguements on Ramdev's delhi protest
Hi DMacks,

I recently deleted an objectionable content from wikipedia page on Ramdev. You have restored the contents and have argued that it is based on a cited news story. Then, I suggest that arguements from both sides should be captured in the article. Here are two references that I would like you to consider to include: 1) http://www.deccanherald.com/content/169481/didnt-baton-charge-ramdev-supporters.html ... the police officer said they were forced to retaliate after Baba Ramdev's supporters started throwing stones and flower pots at them ... 2) http://www.newsbullet.in/video/india/11370-ramlila-ground-cctv-footage-recovered- The Delhi Police said they have CCTV footage and TV grabs to prove that no woman was beaten by them.

Both are news channel websites.

Regards, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Seriousguyii (talk • contribs) 07:29, 27 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Sounds like a useful counter-point. DMacks (talk) 17:21, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

A Hussain
Hi - you added this - As of late August 2011, Hussain was in the custody of British authorities.http://www.thelondonpost.net/Aug262011000117.html - with an edit summary of "ref clearly states it is *not* clear if he is "detained" but maybe merely in "protective custody". Article-dates are also confused (mis-match of days and dates). Don't base WP on sensationalized headlines" - could you clear up for me what you meant - thanks - - this is not a reliable source, is it? - was it an edit conflict? - Off2riorob (talk) 16:23, 27 August 2011 (UTC)


 * ec. Your edits were interleaved between two of my edits fixing a problem from the IP prior to my former one (read my two edits in succession to make sense of it). I have no idea about the reliability of the source, was merely fixing the content the IP added to match the source. If the source is crap, feel free to remove the statement and cite from that article. DMacks (talk) 17:25, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Done - that article gets a lot of partisan vandalism. Thanks - Off2riorob (talk) 17:52, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Kodiesvaran
Hi, this Tamil language film was produced in 1996/97 and was shelved. Since it was incompleted and has no indications of theatrical release, is it necessary to have an article for the film. -- Commander (Ping Me) 22:02, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * WP:GNG is the standard. I just checked the links, hoping to find some extended commentary on the problem or prospects or larger situation or relevance to the involved individuals. Most don't even mention this film at all! Sounds like a perfect candidate for deletion per WP:NFF. I'll be happy to second a PROD or support an AFD if you start one. DMacks (talk) 17:51, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- Commander (Ping Me) 18:35, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Kodiesvaran for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Kodiesvaran is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Kodiesvaran until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Best regards,  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 00:40, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Electrolytic reduction
Hello! I'm very sorry it's been such a delay in responding to your post about the electrolytic reduction article or section of Captain Kidd's Cannon. Wikimania prep and other events got in the way of being prompt with other side projects. I've now gathered up some basic resources on the Cannon's talk page. It'd be incredibly helpful if you'd like to create a new heading on that page, especially now that we have a QRpedia code up directing visitors to that article. (We're also working on possibly releasing to Commons an animation of the cannon undergoing electrolytic reduction; but just have to push it through the final approvals.) Please let me know if you think you could help & if you need any additional resources. I can do my best. LoriLee (talk) 18:52, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries on the delay. I responded on the talk-page. In addition to animation, might be good to have a simple schematic diagram of the apparatus (what's submerged in what, what's wired to what, etc.). Those sorts of things are especially useful when paired with the actual chemical equations that are happening (similar to parts of the Chloralkali process article). I'll be a bit sporadic for the next few days with start-of-semester chaos (but this might make a good "useful in the real world" application of redox beyond the usual industrial cases!). DMacks (talk) 19:27, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks so much! I replied as well. I'll definitely pass along your diagram suggestion. That's a good point. Once again, I appreciate it! LoriLee (talk) 19:38, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I appreciate you adding the redirect. I know that you're busy with classes starting up. We're about to add our video of the cannon to Commons, but for now it's still here. LoriLee (talk) 15:55, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Chembox
DMarcks, A while back, you responded to an issue I raised on the Talk:Bleomycin page about the chembox being really large. You said "InChI is not allowed to have breaks" and that it was a machine readable blob. None of the InChI data appears to be links of any kind, so near as I can tell no machine is reading this (none as a web link ). No, I didn't change the box back, but I'm curious as I see nothing that would cause this to be read. SO, what's reading that string ? @- Kosh ► Talk to the Vorlons ► Markab -@ 16:23, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * If it were a matter of the field linking out to a database or other site, it could be piped so a cleaner displayed string could cover an ugly link. But the goal is to have the page as seen be web-crawlable, so web-crawlers google or special-purpose chemistry sites can find it. "Structure -> InChI" is supposed to be a purely mechanical process (doesn't depend on how it's drawn, language, etc), so I can then google for that string and find the aricle (if there is one) regardless of whether I draw it in a weird way and without having to know any of its chemical names (which could be many and/or I might not know them, and the ones I might know might not be mentioned in the article). DMacks (talk) 21:53, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Amanda Bynes cite error.
Thank you for reverting that. --Kobak322 (talk) 14:49, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. DMacks (talk) 14:49, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Mike Altman
It appears that Mike Altman is currently a technical director at Pixar. If this is the same Mike Altman, then he does deserve his own article and it should be updated with his works. If not, then I agree "Mike Altman" should be merged into "Suicide is Painless".108.23.147.17 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:26, 12 September 2011 (UTC).
 * I don't know what "a technical director" is to be able to judge its notability (titles often have specific meanings in certain industries that either oversell or conversely underrepresent their importance). But if there's verification that it's the same person (the name "Mike Altman" itself does not seem uncommon; IMDb supports the link but is not considered a reliable source for major biographical info), that would certainly help establish the link for notability. DMacks (talk) 15:14, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll try emailing him. If I get a response, I'll post it here.108.23.147.17 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:23, 12 September 2011 (UTC).
 * Good idea! But better to follow-up to the article talk-page (linked from the merge box on the pages) so that others later can find them...my talk-page quickly becomes a mess sometimes. DMacks (talk) 21:35, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Re: Negative numbers
ASCII character 45 is the minus sign. It's been that way since the earliest days of computing. Using any other dash-like character yields nonsense when the resulting information is read by a computer. As an exercise, try cutting and pasting the string &minus;40 (&amp;minus;40) into a spreadsheet program, such as Excel or OpenOffice.org Calc, and compare the results with the string -40. &amp;minus;40 is interpreted as a string, not a number. &mdash; QuicksilverT @ 14:37, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * MOS:NUM is pretty clear that we're writing text not computer data though. I didn't like it at first either, but there's widespread support for using typographically correct (vs ASCII-only) symbols here. DMacks (talk) 14:40, 13 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Just because it's currently in the Wikipedia Manual of Style (MOS) doesn't mean that it's right. The MOS is largely written by the blind leading the blind, people who have no understanding of how computers and computer programs work.  The MOS has changed over time; I've long ago stopped arguing with the people who immerse themselves in it and just rely what I've known for the last 40+ years that works or doesn't work. &mdash; QuicksilverT @ 14:46, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Indeed it's a mess. But all editors usually wind up getting for their efforts to make article-level changes against it is a block, not a thanks or a start of a discussion that leads somewhere useful:( Getting something like convert sane would be a huge first step that would have wide-spread results. The folks who work on it have somehow kept their world just separate enough from the MOS that discussions are actually feasible rather than endless drama. Fiddling with infobox data is a poor first step because their formats and uses (and perhaps parsing and connections to off-wiki sites) are often known only to the folks who work on the infobox itself. For example, there's consensus that hyphen isn't "right" for temperature values in chemboxes (I assume consensus typography is based on ACS published styleguide more than wikipedia's goofiness). But hyphen is used for calculated temperature fields (but solely due to inertia). Again the chem folks seem to be able to keep their style-guide discussions more sane than general MOS. DMacks (talk) 14:59, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Water fueled Vehicle Redaction
The information you insist on adding isn't "unflattering" it is irrelevant and unnecessary to the topic. The topic is about the vehicle not about how its not plausible. Additionally the information regarding false claims is NOT pertinent. The article is not about what a water fueled vehicle is not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krisrsu (talk • contribs) 16:09, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The article is about the vehicle and the claims that it works and the dispute/contradictory claims that it doesn't/couldn't. You'll definitely want to discuss removal of it on the talk-page, rather than getting yourself blocked for edit-warring against the existing consensus there that this sort of material is proper. DMacks (talk) 16:12, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for threatening me with being blocked because I have a view other than yours. I didn't know one persons opinion constituted a "consensus". All of the information I edited isn't based on my "opinion" at all, but rather by fact. Interesting you highlighted the importance of being neutral while editing, yet you allow this article to be excessively negative toward the proven concept thats being discussed. Count the number of arguments against the idea in the article and you well see that it is obviously negative toward the concept of the water fuel. Many examples of how its not plausible are included and nearly none that are pro-water fuel. Thats not a neutral article. I'll submit the article for a neutrality review. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krisrsu (talk • contribs) 16:24, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I warned you based on your approach to getting your way, not on what your way is. But I also advise you to read WP:NPOV, since "neutral" does not mean 50/50 pro/con, so you will know what wikipedia's policy is (since that will be the standard used to evaluate your concerns when you seek review). DMacks (talk) 19:28, 13 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Funny note: when I looked at the diff between Krisrru's version and the NPOV version using pop-ups, it looked like the article said "A water-fuelled car is a hypothetical automobile that derives its energy on news coverage, and the Internet."  Which I think is a great description of the car, possibly better than the "real" one.  Qwyrxian (talk) 00:37, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Haha yeah:) DMacks (talk) 01:33, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

213.107.74.132
If you get round to looking at the unblock request from, you may wish to look at the most recent thread on his talk page and consider whether the length of block on might have any effect on the length of block on this latest incarnation? - David Biddulph (talk) 18:30, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Apologies, but I have extended the block at 213.107.74.1; it is very clear that this is the same disruptive editor from . If you feel this is excessive, please revise the block without fear of drama.  Kuru   (talk)  19:54, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Having looked now at the history of the previous incarnations and the twisting of this one during the unblock-req, I completely support the extension. DMacks (talk) 20:59, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

DNA codon table
It appears I wasn't reading the diff properly. I thought the IP address's change was "a" -> "an" but it turns out to be "an" -> "a". So yes, I thought "a" is appropriate" and "an" is not appropriate. Sorry about that. --Bobthefish2 (talk) 16:24, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries. Happy editing! DMacks (talk) 16:46, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Mini dental implant
Please see COIN and comment if you will -- I noticed that you were providing some anti-advert policing some time ago and perhaps you can contribute to this in a positive manner.  DRosenbach  ( Talk 20:35, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Hey
You just indefinitely blocked an IP. Maybe you should shorten it to five thousand years. City O f Silver 23:33, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Heh yeah, reflex in the blockin' fingers. Shortened. DMacks (talk) 23:36, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Caffeine FAR
nominated Caffeine for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 07:50, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Content issue
The issue is I added some info about Nina Paley and somebody deleted it... What should be done in this case? As the info that I had put was 100% authentic and genuine!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vikram sanatan (talk • contribs) 18:36, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Discuss it with the person who removed it. Discuss it on the talk-page of the article. But first read WP:TRUTH. It's obviously important to make sure that potentially defamatory information is well-supported by cited references and that those refs are of high quality. We are actually forbidden from using Wikipedia for advocacy or to drum up support (or opposition) to any social or other cause. DMacks (talk) 18:41, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

You're invited! Wikimedia DC Annual Membership Meeting
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Re
If you take a look at the talk page carefully, the person added the same message twice. That is why, I removed one of them. --  Bollywood Dreamz  talk 22:08, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, now I see. Was thrown by the "fixed" edit-summary a bit. DMacks (talk) 22:10, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

The Knowledge Network: Invitation to participate in our closed beta
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Zedekiel (talk) 08:16, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Question
Regarding your delete of the File:CYRILLIC_LETTER_DZHE.PNG page yes the file was moved to commons correctly;, but for some reason when you go to File:CYRILLIC_LETTER_DZHE.PNG the file page on here. You don't see a transclusion of the image, and/or on the pages where the image was shown. Where the file was included the image is not appearing but just showing red links to the deleted file page, instead of transcluding them. Why is that?--Clarkcj12 (talk) 18:00, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks like the case of the extension got changed (".png" vs ".PNG") but I missed updating Template talk:Contains Japanese text to match. I did so, and spot-checked that it is working now. Might take a few minutes/hours for it to finish propagating. Sorry about that! DMacks (talk) 18:41, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No remaining uses of the ".PNG" file except this here discussion. DMacks (talk) 01:40, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Beindustrial
I'm having an issue with Beindustrial, and noticed you had an issue with him/her/it previously. I've left a note for the editor who worked on the deletion of the Bulk container article, and I've looked at the other articles created by this editor in their Contribution History and am seeing a disturbing tendency to write articles which link back to commercial entities.

I am going to try and train the editor on the Industrial trucks article, however this may not be possible. Based on what I'm seeing so far, whoever is behind that account doesn't seem to get the purpose of an encyclopedia.

This is in the nature of a heads up. I suspect that my efforts may fail. UrbanTerrorist (talk) 20:24, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

What are you on about?
What is incorrect? What is defaming? --Biebersbro3 (talk) 06:42, 13 October 2011 (UTC)


 * It is off-topic to ramble about possible anagrams and other analogies for various people. See also WP:COATRACK and WP:SYNTH. We're here to write an encyclopedia of referenced information. DMacks (talk) 06:44, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Got to love it
So you deleted somthing even tho it has a reference. Yet you undo somthing I delete because it doesnt have a reference? LOL

Nothing in the lead section says they ignore the references rule. Can you provide this please (if it exists)

Does the refernceing rules apply to the rest of the article?--Biebersbro3 (talk) 06:57, 13 October 2011 (UTC)


 * You have already been pointed to the description of the lead section. It's a recap of other content--every occurrence of a statement or theme does not need to be repeatedly and individually referenced. It should also be obvious by now that new messages always go at the bottom of talk-pages (WP:TPG is quite explicit). DMacks (talk) 07:01, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * By the way, I did not undo your deletions, so you have no reason to be posting here. DMacks (talk) 07:02, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Ok should things in the main article be referenced? :)

Yes, so if I reference it you will be happy? as there is no defamation in stating this fact.--Biebersbro3 (talk) 07:11, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * If you cannot recognize the concept of staying on-topic for an article, it's probably best you not edit here any further. DMacks (talk) 07:12, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

WOW keep changing the reason you dont like it, funny about that isnt the persons name on topic in an article about a person? You do now realise its not defaming? You never said, should things in the main part of the article be referenced? Has to be referenced to be there right? :)--Biebersbro3 (talk) 08:04, 13 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Someone blocked the above editor for trolling. DMacks (talk) 15:06, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Please review these blocks
There was a bug in MediaWiki 1.18 that caused blocks made via the API to have talk page access disabled when it should have been enabled. This also affected scripts such as User:Animum/easyblock.js. Please review the following blocks to make sure that you really intended talk page access to be disabled, and reblock if necessary. If you have any questions or concerns, feel free to post at User talk:Anomie. Thanks! Anomie⚔ 02:04, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * 1)  by DMacks at 2011-10-12T16:15:09Z, expires infinity:
 * 2)  by DMacks at 2011-10-13T06:21:54Z, expires infinity: Vandalism-only account
 * Thanks for the heads-up. Those were both intentional talk-disabled. DMacks (talk) 05:55, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Baltimore Streetcar Museum
The section concerning training of conductors was put up without the express permission of the Baltimore Streetcar Museum, Inc. The person who put this up has been reprimanded in the past by the Museum's Trustees for misrepresenting the Museum. In that vein, the Museum would appreciate that the deletion remain intact. In fact, much of the information in the entire article is either out of date or incorrect. An effort will be made to completely revise the entire article in the near future. I am writing this as the Museum's Manager of Communications. You may contact me through the Museum's website (Contact Us) for any further questions. Your understanding in this matter is appreciated. If you have any suggestion as to what information is needed, it would be appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tinseltrolley (talk • contribs) 00:52, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Replied on your talk-page (please keep any further/followup discussion there so it's not dispersed across many places). As a discussion about the public wikipedia content that has been there for a while and has a reference cite, I'm not generally willing to take it "off-wiki" to discuss removing it unless there is a good reason for such confidentiality. DMacks (talk) 09:23, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

The reference cites do not refer to the Museum's conductor training. Because this is a insurance liability issue, it is the policy of the Museum not to advertise this issue on a public forum. RE: I'm not generally willing to take it "off-wiki" to discuss removing it unless there is a good reason for such confidentiality. You now have a reason for confidentiality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tinseltrolley (talk • contribs) 02:07, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, sir, I carried out as requested by me
Thank you, sir, I carried out as requested by me طلال بن زيد (talk) 18:49, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I still see youtube channels, twitter accounts, myspace/facebook, and blogs (see the guideline about it, item #10 in particular). On the other hand, I don't see references to commentary other than lists of works (see the guideline for articles about writers and the requirement of independent sources for why this is important). DMacks (talk) 20:16, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Natural resource question
Would you be willing to protect this article? There has been a large amount of vandalism over the last two days, thanks. SwisterTwister  talk  01:51, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * What an odd target (or odd that it's never been protected before, not sure which). Anyway... Pictogram voting support.svg Semi-protected&#32;for a period of 1 week, after which the page will be automatically unprotected. DMacks (talk) 02:02, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * If you keep finding your edits being reverted, it means your idea of the change is likely a bit controversial. Therefore it's up to you to get some support for it rather than edit-warring. You have the same pattern of repeated behavior at several pages related to the Twilight series. The current situation is at Kristen Stewart (according to its history of your and others' edits, where several other editors have used very explicit edit-summaries to explain why they do not think your edit is appropriate. You have not used edit-summaries or made any other attempt to support your position. So your repeated changes are edit-warring against a reasonable-sounding reason, with no reason of your own, and wikipedia is ruled by discussion and consensus any time there is a dispute over a unilateral change. DMacks (talk) 02:39, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Okay, but...
The only thing I've been changing is "Bella Swan" to "Bella Cullen" in the articles about the last two films coming out. I mean that is the character's new name. If you wish, I could instead put "Bella Swan/Bella Cullen." Do you think that'd be acceptable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Super123Xxxxxxx (talk • contribs) 11:26, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * And that's exactly the change of yours that others dispute. I agree with them (for exactly their reasoning), and I would also think the listing of both is not good either--no reason to keep repeating all the names, just list the one that is most correct (per credits, per title of WP's own article about the person, etc.) and some one place mention the correspondence. It would need to be discussed on the article's talk-page so it's public for everyone interested in the article to see, not buried on my talk-page where nobody knows to look. DMacks (talk) 19:00, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

regarding picture added to Forensic science
I am former medical worker in autopsy (today I am working as geriatric qualified nurse). Such tents are used for to make very, very, veeeery exactly check of whole body just there, where it have beed founded: to make it free from all clothes, to take all possible swabs, to take photographs from all possible points of views, etc. As well: to prevent against wind, rain, dust from arounded area. To safe dignity of death person of course as well (paparazzi...). Sorry, but for all this information is no space in so small box by picture :( Zboralski (talk) 23:22, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the information (and the pictures)! I will try to see if I can figure out a few-word summary (or at least mention one major point) later today. DMacks (talk) 01:17, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Destroy She Said article
You chose to delete my article on Melbourne rock band Destroy She Said under Section G11:

I would contend that the article falls under the following criteria:

'An article about a company or a product which describes its subject from a neutral point of view does not qualify for this criterion.'

If you take the time to read the article you will see that there is no subjectivity, the article merely states when the band began, who the members are, discography and where it has recorded its product. It is describing the band and its music from a neutral point of view.

Please clarify this decision and please point out where I have strayed from neutrality, otherwise, please return my article to wikipedia.

Destroyshesaid (talk) 04:48, 23 October 2011 (UTC)


 * We're talking about User:Destroyshesaid? :See WP:USERPAGE. By all appearanced, you were using your user-page as the webpage for your band. If it had been in article-space, it would likely have been speedy-deleted per WP:CSD. See WP:BAND for the general minimum requirements. DMacks (talk) 13:54, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Apurbauk
came off a two week block for repeated copyvios and has immediately started uploading copyvio images again. Can you please extend his block.--Sodabottle (talk) 20:03, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I left a level4 warning and he has not persisted after that...better if someone else does the block or I can if he acts again. DMacks (talk)

Gold medals
Hi DMacks, regarding this, I understand the concern; I was not aware that the concept of Gold medals to toppers was India (or probably Commonwealth) specific. I have tried to clarify it in a subsequent edit (and in the process have removed the cn tag, hope you don't mind). Tell me if its OK. Thanks,  Lynch 7  01:38, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. Thanks for the clarification! DMacks (talk) 05:13, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

new question
I uploaded some images for my article U. Ray and Sons yesterday, under the fair use copyrighted policy. I got repeated bot messages for inadequate tagging and licensing. I went back and checked the copyright status of the texts and discovered that they had expired under the Indian Copyright Act, which states that any creative text or image reverts to the public domain, after sixty years of the death of its originator. SO I changed the status to Public domain on the pictures and was tagged as a vandal. I am writing this Wiki Article as a part of a University assignment and have no intentions of going against the spirit which wikipedia works by. How do I solve this problem? Thanks.

BanerjeeSohini (talk) 05:16, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Please read the change you actually made--you did not change the status as you say. For example, this change you made is the type that led to the vandalism warning. You stated there "This is a local copy of an image on Commons, uploaded to ensure protection because it is one of the 100 most-used files on the English Wikipedia" and you stated "This image or media file is available on the Wikimedia Commons as File:Abol Tabol HukoMukhoHyangla Sukumar Ray.JPG". None of either of those statements is true. And you said "it consists entirely of information that is common property and contains no original authorship" but it is clearly an artistic drawing, a creative work made by someone. I am not familiar with the India copyright laws, however, "copyright expired" is very different than "not copyrightable". is the tag I think you want (but read it carefully to be sure). You should also put the copyright/publication year on the image description page so that others can verify that it is indeed over 60 years old. DMacks (talk) 05:35, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

"Gramatik" necromancy
Hey, I noticed that there was an old version of Gramatik deleted by you sometime in the past for copyright infringement. I'd like to take another crack at starting the article. Gramatik is a rising musician, part of Pretty Lights' regular rotation now, and I was just wondering if there was anything worth salvaging from the deleted copy. Thanks, Semitones (talk) 06:24, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I have no idea if any of the ideas are worth keeping, but anything your write using copyvio as a starting point for the content is still potentially tainted as a derivative work. I can restore it temporarily if you like so you can gather some ideas, but obviously you'd need to write the new article completely from scratch with cites. DMacks (talk) 19:24, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

You're invited! Wikipedia Loves Libraries DC
Note: You can remove your name from the DC meetup invite list here. -- Message delivered by AudeBot (talk) 18:39, 31 October 2011 (UTC), on behalf of User:Aude

Question
I have a question for you what should the copyright tags/license tags be on this file? File:Range for the Java Razorfish.png --Clarkcj12 (talk) 17:13, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * According to the Terms of Use for the given source site, it is not "free" in wikipedia terms (prohibits redistribution and commercial reuse). Further, it is replaceable by a free equivalent that would serve the same purpose by taking a free map (for example, from Blank maps) and marking areas of interest in some color in a graphics-editing program. DMacks (talk) 05:13, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks but I am not sure how to edit the picture to match the one or resemble the one that IUCN had on there website. Do you think you could help me? --Clarkcj12 (talk) 13:52, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I also have another question should it be okay for me to send an email to IUCN Redlist to ask for permission if they will release that image under the WP:CC-BY-SA license? --Clarkcj12 (talk) 02:20, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry I missed your response/followup question. But "sure!". If you can politely persuade someone to release a specific image under a license that is "free in the WP sense", it would certainly be an acceptable and welcome addition. Probably best if they follow Donating copyrighted materials. DMacks (talk) 05:51, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

87.119.x.x
This range (a /16) seems to be harassing FleetCommand. I think we have two options here (rangeblock or semi).Jasper Deng (talk) 05:41, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The range you mention does not include either of the ones on his talk-page just recently. Is there some other set of pages where the IP-hopper is stalking his edits or something? Given the range-size (and pattern outside of it as well), would definitely need some CU attention to make sure there's not too much collateral. DMacks (talk) 05:49, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, it's 85.127.0.0/16. Remembered wrong.Jasper Deng (talk) 16:51, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Food Guide Pyramid
Nice piece of re-scaling. I should have looked at that when I put it together. If I had time, I could go back to the source SVG file and re-create it properly, but your approach looks really good. Thanks.--Ged Sparrowhawk (talk) 21:28, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of National Agents Alliance for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article National Agents Alliance is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/National Agents Alliance until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Joja lozzo  16:23, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Highlands Coffee
Hey, thanks for your reverts on Highlands Coffee and for taking care of User:Highlands Coffee as well. You might have noticed already, but the edit he was reverting to was by an IP (115.74.21.147) who may be connected to sockpuppetteer JakeNyg25 (archived sockpuppet case), so these two could be related as well. Cheers and keep up the good work! --dragfyre_ ʞןɐʇ c 15:25, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I saw the IP connection, but didn't recognize the JakeNyg25 relationship (silly me, since I had worked on one of the other sockfarms related to Jake). Thanks for the heads-up! DMacks (talk) 16:26, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Yiddish/Hebrew translation of Reform Judaism
Hi - I'm interested in what exactly your argument is for suppressing A Sniper's translation of Reform Judaism into Hebrew and Yiddish. Reform Judaism is a couple of centuries old and there is plenty of Yiddish literature which deals with it. As for the Hebrew translation being inaccurate, I find it difficult to believe that Reform Judaism's page on Hebrew wikipedia has grown to its current extensive state under an inaccurate title. Feel free to reply here or at my talk. Zargulon (talk) 00:03, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

my wiki robert deens
why did you delete it??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mike-woolsey99 (talk • contribs) 17:40, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * As I wrote on your talkpage, it is against numerous policies and guidelines. I even gave your links to where you could learn how to be a productive contributing editor here if you choose that path. DMacks (talk) 18:12, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Organic Compounds
Gilderien Talk|Contribs 21:00, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

All files in category Unclassified Chemical Structures listed for deletion
One or more of the files that you uploaded or altered has been listed at Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it/them not being deleted. Thank you.

Delivered by MessageDeliveryBot on behalf of MGA73 (talk) at 17:50, 28 November 2011 (UTC).

Velayudham
Hey thanks a bunch for semi protecting Velayudham page. However, I would request you to postpone it's expiration. -- Karthik Nadar (talk) 07:10, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I've got it watchlisted, and if the problem continues, easy enough to re-protect it (and certainly for longer). DMacks (talk) 09:16, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey DMacks, again thanks a bunch for semi protecting the article for longer period. Thanks and Regards! -- Karthik Nadar (talk) 06:17, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

ITCHY
Thanks for the acronym expansion over on Penicillin. ~ Lhynard (talk) 15:33, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Troll (Internet)
Hey--thanks for catching the latest one. It's a bit like herding cats, though, especially when the moon is full. I try to keep an eye on some likely targets (Troll, Leet, all the Internet protocols, etc.), but it's like watching a toddler--ya' take your eye off 'em for a second and all hell can break loose. Take care! &mdash; UncleBubba ( T @ C ) 00:30, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

File:Licarbazepine2.png
Hi! Nice improvement to the layout of this drawing, but you seem to have forgotten an N (at the bottom point of the 7-ring). Cheers --ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 19:53, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for catching that! Fixed. DMacks (talk) 16:02, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

TOO COMPLICATED!!!
Fine!! Just delete my article about Advent Bangun!!! sorry... E.t.believer777 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:18, 5 December 2011 (UTC).

it's alright, i understand..., but please don't put any deletion consideration on my article about Advent Bangun, it's PURE bothering me like hell..., if you want to put anyone else to participate in my article, it's okay i'm so thankful for that, one more time, please get rid that deletion consideration banner/messages on my Advent Bangun article..., deal homie? or you can put another kind of reminder on my article... E.t.believer777 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:12, 5 December 2011 (UTC).
 * I'm not allowed to remove the link to the deletion-discussion from that article either--nobody is. Once the discussion ends (I think in 4 days or so), either the article will be kept with no banner (if others think the article is viable) or the article itself will be deleted. Until then, the banner is required, because that way anyone who happens to find the article and thinks "this is an important topic, I don't want to see it deleted" will hopefully jump in and participate in preventing its deletion. DMacks (talk) 18:04, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
silly billypiggy ''¡SIGN NOW OR ELSE! 17:14, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Experiment (horse powered boat)
Thanks for the DYK nomination. You beat me to the punch. And much better wording than I had in mind. That was great!--Doug Coldwell talk 19:15, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Ace Baker
Many thanks for the short-term protection on the Ace Baker page. Hopefully an unhappy medium can be struck :) Natty10000 (talk) 21:22, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Move request
Hey DMacks, I am wondering if you would be willing to move an article into the mainspace and perform a history merge. User:Raintheone/Ric Dalby to Ric Dalby - The target is currently proctected as it had previously been recreated without any sources and the original admin is inactive. Rain the One  BAM 21:26, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey again, I figured that you may have gone offline for a while, so I requested the move via HJ. Sorry about dropping in like this. :) Rain the One  BAM 23:42, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries. I'm (still) mostly busy with offline stuff, will try to check it out tomorrow if nobody else does. DMacks (talk) 00:55, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Patent Office 1836 fire
I just wrote up this new article. I am looking for some wording for a potential DYK. Something like:

Did You Know ...that the  Patent Office 1836 fire  occured in the same building as the fire department?

You are so much better on wording, I thought maybe you may have a suggestion or two. Thanks!--Doug Coldwell talk 22:31, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * That's a neat factoid! *blush* I'll take a look and try to cobble something together tomorrow. DMacks (talk) 00:56, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Experiment (horse powered boat)
Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

SNUBA corrections
Dear DMacks..

I am the co-founder of SNUBA® Internationl and president of the company. The Wikipedia text information has many errors and I submitted corrections last week and were objected to. I want to address these discrepancies with the intent to see that correct information is indicated within the Wikipedia description for "SNUBA"

The company was founded in 1987 (a change I edited). Although under the entity name of SNUBA Inc., predecessor to SNUBA International, it should make no difference in this correction.

"pontoon" raft was modified to provide clarity to a layperson as an "inflatable" raft and the photo submitted was to provide further clarity for this edit.

The following comment or edit is false, and or not applicable to SNUBA: "Unfortunately for Snuba divers, in case of emergency, the Snuba diver is not provided with any emergency buoyancy system unlike a Scuba diver who has a buoyancy compensator, meaning that the Snuba diver must swim to the surface or tread water until help arrives, which could prove fatal." (Jimmayfield (talk) 07:08, 20 December 2011 (UTC)).

In case of an emergency, wherein the SNUBA participant needs to return to the surface, the guest is at all times connected, via an air umbilical, to a flotation raft on the surface. The guests are provided instructions (as a standard practice of our worldwide standards and procedures) to utilize the air line to hand-over-hand back to the surface. The hand-over-hand techniques controls the rate of ascent while providing vertical movement back to the surface and a surface raft. Guest do not have to "swim to the surface and tread water until help arrives." this edit comment is entirely conjecture and without fact or knowledge of our system and guest instruction. The sentence that follow this comment is useful, however, is insufficient to correct the inaccurate information in the preceding sentence.

Photo's were provided to give clarity to the overall system and an example of the air line use of vertical control. They were not intended for self-promotion, rather to provide an accurate depiction of the system. The photo currently in use is ambiguous with regard to the compilation of the system components or how SNUBA is utilized. The photo's provided should not be removed.


 * There may be some valid material you added, but the large majority was not...it removed cited content. Whether you agree with it or not (and even if you have non-public information supporting your position), WP:V policy and WP:RS guidelines state articles must follow publicly available published information. The general result of your edits was a substantial change in tone--I assume not intentional--that is contrary to some of the available sources. As a side note, WP:MOS explicitly instructs not to use all-caps (except for acronyms) and not to use (R) or (tm) or other marks at all. DMacks (talk) 07:26, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Further corrections - SNUBA
Dear DMacks,

There is a serious error in the SNUBA description from information that is indicated as cited from DAN (Divers Alert Network), as follows:

"Based on certified diving agencys (mispelled), like PADI or NAUI, Snuba is slowly being phased out due to the number of the diving accidents that have been recorded due to the lack of certifications and training in involved.[13]"

This sentence is not only false (SNUBA is growing at an unprecedented level), there are no such references or citations to support this comment. Also, there are no claims of injury ever filed in court, or with our insurance providers over the past 23 years. Information related to this fact is available from the insurance providers of SNUBA's product, and professional liability insurance. This is a serious inaccuracy. It is slanderous, misleading, and completely without any supporting fact. I would like to address this edit within the SNUBA description as soon possible. simply conduct a Google search on "Snuba accidents" and you will not find any results that would fault the program, the equipment or the professional guiding that is provided with every SNUBA experience. There is an incorrect news story of a death in Oahu tourist, that was related to a Seawalking "helmet diving" activity, not SNUBA.

I appreciate your soonest attention to this edit.

(Jimmayfield (talk) 07:27, 20 December 2011 (UTC)).


 * Yup, that indeed looks unsupported by the cited #13 ref (and I couldn't find similar on that website if it had been reorganized since it was added here). I actually do find lots of discussions reporting various problems and safety concerns from claimed experts, but not anything about reduced popularity. DMacks (talk) 07:46, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

UpaNotch36
Thanks for reverting that really sad attempt at vandalism. I will admit it did make me laugh though. :) Anywho, thanks. :) -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 20:45, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Snuba cited death related to SeaWalker / Snuba photo's
Dear DMacks,

I spoke this morning, with The National Sea Grant, publisher of the Article claiming a "Snuba related death" in Oahu, and they agree with the inaccuracy and also agree to preparing a correction. I spoke with Tera Bowling, e-mail:   Telephone number:  She is aware that Snuba International is trying to have this citing and reference removed from our Wikipedia word search. The statements made in this article are inaccurate, damaging (even though you have attempted to provide further clarification in the reference) and completely irrelevant to Snuba. My request is to ask that this reference and citing be completely removed. To include this information continues to give the impression of involvement. It should not be included within our information. I have included the e-mail to Tera Bowling, sent earlier today.

Can you also please explain the deletion of the photo's that I had submitted? The current photo is a confusing view and gives no depiction of what Snuba is. The photo's that I submitted provides clarity as to what the Snuba product is and a better understanding of its use.

Begin forwarded message:

From: Jim Mayfield Date: December 20, 2011 10:29:25 AM PST To: Cc: Hannah Mayfield Subject: SNUBA related article Inaccuracy

References: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snuba http://nsglc.olemiss.edu/SandBar/SandBar5/5.3snuba.htm#3

Dear Tera,

Thanks for taking my call to discuss the August 24, 2006 article written by The National Sea Grant Law Center related to a claimed "Snuba Diving Death." As discussed, the article inaccurately states that a "SeaWalker" helmet diving death was somehow related to or involved "SNUBA." This is entirely false and SNUBA had zero involvement in this fatality. SeaWalker is an underwater helmet diving product where guests walk on the sea floor, and SNUBA is a guided touring experience where guest swim while breathing underwater using a proprietary SNUBA apparatus. There are virtually no similarities between SeaWalker and SNUBA other than both programs occur underwater. Wikipedia cites and references this article as part of the word search description for SNUBA. Wikipedia is highly relied upon as a source of neutral, impartial and unbiased facts related to common word searches. This article lacked proper research and or accurate statement of fact, and has caused SNUBA International potentially significant and irreparable damage. At this moment we are trying to have this reference and citing removed from Wikipedia and they are unable to do so since they believe they are relying on credible source information. We require immediate attention to this matter, including:

1. Clarification of this article. 2. Assistance with Wikipedia's editorial board to have this article corrected, and or removed based on irrelevance. 3. A letter written to SNUBA International, Inc., from The National Sea Grant Law Center stating that SNUBA had no involvement in this accident (which we need to be able to provide to those questioning this claim of a SNUBA related death).

I look forward to hearing from you, soon.

Sincerely,

Jim Mayfield

(Jimmayfield (talk) 18:57, 20 December 2011 (UTC)).


 * As I stated previously--twice--the sum of the edits involved with the photos were not appropriate, not passing judgment on any specific photo change. A single better image of that more clearly illustrates the device would certainly be welcome. As soon as there is reliable published info (note that personal communication does not meet WP:RS) I'd be happy to use that to support removal or amendment of the content. Currently, our article states what the reference states, including noting that it is disputed. I sharpened the counterpoint, and left a tag with it reminding us to add a citation of the published correction when it becomes available. I've removed the various personal email addresses from your email-repost above to prevent harvesting by spam-bots. DMacks (talk) 04:26, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks again for the response. I am taking you up on your offer to consider a single better image that will more clearly illustrate Snuba. Regarding the question of WP:RS, It is stated within Wiki reliability standards, that the criteria for publication is that the images must be from a reliable source, in the context that the source is by judgement "reliable for the statement being made and is the best such source for the context." (WP:RS Wiki "verifiable standards"). As president of the submitting company, of which owns the trademark "Snuba" and owns thousands of photo's related to Snuba, I trust that the source guidelines are are being met to your satisfaction. If not, I would like to know what more may be needed to satisfy authority of our photo submissions. I have uploaded to the Commons repository the following images for consideration:



Jimmayfield (talk) 22:27, 22 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I replaced the previous image--I agree that the previous one did not focus as much on the air supply aspect (rather was mostly about the divers). I also added a second that focuses on the raft+tank--that's the other key aspect of this equipment. If anyone on commons complains about the licensing/release of the images (i.e., "how do we know you are actually who you say you are and own the images?" or something), Donating copyrighted materials lists several solutions (either posting them with a release on the company website or emailing OTRS). DMacks (talk) 08:19, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Protection templates
Just letting you know that you no longer have to add protection templates to articles you protect. A bot does this automatically. → Σ τ  c. 07:24, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Cool! Thanks for the heads-up. DMacks (talk) 08:30, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Comment at refdesk
Hey, I was wondering why you deleted my comment here? --Ouro (blah blah) 21:23, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Huh? Must have been an undetected edit-conflict (stuff like that happens on the ref-desk often it seems:(. I'll fix it. DMacks (talk) 21:52, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay, it was a simple case of machine error then, nothing malicious on your part. Thank you. Merry Christmas, and an even better new year! --Ouro (blah blah) 06:48, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

2012 phenomenon
How is this off topic? Slight Smile  21:23, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * How is Donald Duck related to the 2012 phenomenon? Or how else does this comment relate to improving the article on that latter topic? DMacks (talk) 21:26, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I think I understand. It's the burden of the editor adding the comment to show how it's relevant to the topic and not the the editor reverting to show how it's not relevant. Thanks for the clarification. Oh and while I'm here, have a Happy 2012. Slight  Smile  21:38, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not quite like that. It's all of our burden to make sense and generally work to improve WP articles, not fill up with idle chit-chat (is why I pointed to WP:TALKPAGE rather than just silently nuke it). There are always disputes over what's appropriate where. To me, that comment had no conceivable relevance within the scope of that page (or even coherence at all). Feel free to restore and respond if you can figure it out (be the WP:3O so that it ultimately leads to improving the article). DMacks (talk) 21:45, 2 January 2012 (UTC)