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Tech News: 2016-25
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * Notifications were not always marked as read when you followed a link from an email notification. This will now happen.

Changes this week
 * The list of other languages an article is available in will be shorter on small Wikipedias and non-Wikipedia projects. This is to make it easier to find the most relevant languages for each user. You will still be able to see the other languages.
 * Alerts (the red badge) will not be automatically marked as read when you open the Notifications popup.
 * When you get several thanks you can see them as one notification. This is instead of one notification for each thanks.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 21 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 22 June. It will be on all wikis from 23 June (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-tools.svg You can join the next meeting with the Architecture committee. The topic this week is develop Markdown support strategy for MediaWiki. The meeting will be on 22 June at 21:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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File:Marketplace print.png
Shall I discuss this at WP:MCQ or c:COM:VPCOPY? Where else? --George Ho (talk) 02:43, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Either one of those looks good. If it were to be free, it would be ripe for copy to commons, so asking on commons whether they would accept it (rather than having them delete it out from under us (en.wp) even if we think it's free) might be better. DMacks (talk) 02:46, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

June 2016
Thanks for your suggestion. IMHO wikipedia is just collection of proofs based on some citation or a link, but if that link is withdrawn then the basis can become flawed. I could not find live links which replaced the content, so I removed it. I will definitely try to read more on wikipedia edit policies. I am discussing regarding the page history of chemistry.

Abhilekh Agarwal (talk) 16:00, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Great! Let me know if you have any questions (obviously you already know how to find some places to discuss specialized content). DMacks (talk) 03:02, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-26
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * The ORES service has now moved to a new location. This should make it easier to use ORES. The ORES review service is now available as a beta feature on Wikidata and Persian Wikipedia. ORES is an artificial intelligence system for Wikimedia wikis to help editors.
 * The order of wikis in collapsed cross-wiki notifications was different than when the list was expanded. This is now fixed.
 * A new category for tracking pages with math errors was added:    :.

Problems
 * The Wikimedia Etherpad crashed on June 23. Some edits done that day have been lost. They can be found at etherpad-restore.wikimedia.org for another few days.

Changes this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 28 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 29 June. It will be on all wikis from 30 June (calendar).
 * The way to mark notifications as read or unread will be changed to be more clear.

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 28 June at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * The Collaboration team at the Wikimedia Foundation will look at developing better tools for edit review. This is because research suggests we scare away newcomers who want to help.
 * An e-mail from the Editing Department explains the technical work that is planned and being researched for the future. Items include better wikitext and visual editing, prompts for edits, language improvements, annotations, and meta-data separation.
 * The sorting of Notifications into the two fly-out menus is going to change on July 5 to 7. Bundled notifications should be easier to explore and mark as read individually.
 * Octicons-tools.svg From 29 June git.wikimedia.org (running Gitblit) will redirect all requests to Phabricator. The vast majority of requests should be correctly redirected.
 * Catalan and Polish Wikipedias will have Wikidata descriptions added to articles in the mobile view by default. This is currently a beta option for the mobile versions. This might come to other wikis later.

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Tech News: 2016-27
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * A daily email summary of notifications could be sent even when there were no notifications from the wiki. Now no email will be sent if there is no activity.

Changes this week
 * The "" button in the visual editor's toolbar will move into the "" menu except for Wikipedias, Wikibookses and Wikiversities. This is to make it less prominent on wikis that don't use it as much.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 5 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 6 July. It will be on all wikis from 7 July (calendar).

Meetings
 * You can take part in the next office hour for Wikidata on IRC on July 8 at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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Undeletion of File:InvisibleMouse1.jpg and File:InvisibleMouse3.jpg
I'm unable to upload these 2 images to Tom and Jerry page The Invisible Mouse. Can you please help? Thanks. Marole3 (talk) 04:00, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually the images are restored.Marole3 (talk) 07:00, 30 June 2016 (UTC)Marole3
 * Glad someone else took care of it. At least one of those two files seems to fail our WP:NFCC requirements, and I have tagged it accordingly. Other one is suspect, but I'll think about it a bit before deciding what if anything needs to be done about it. DMacks (talk) 20:41, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

FYI
--Neil N  talk to me 19:07, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, NeilN! DMacks (talk) 21:26, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * At least he's changing up his game. He got me too. If he'd put half the energy into actually improving Perry Hall, it would be GA by now. John from Idegon (talk) 05:31, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I should ask for a raise, given that I've been upgraded to v2.1 DMacks (talk) 05:34, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Lava Cola ‎
It's hardly the wheel or Mickey Mouse ears, but asking a backpacker familiar with the South Pacific will reveal that Lava Cola is the only way to drink kava (or its active ingredient) that doesn't taste of mud.

Also socks & WP:DENY. Andy Dingley (talk) 17:03, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I was first drawn to the cat-page being a magnet for Sockpuppet investigations/Filipz123 and that article being the only entry in it. Creating/over-populating cats is exactly the pattern of both Filipz123 and Europefan, so I took a more critical look at the article (killing off an unused cat and watchlisting it for recreation is a great way to catch socks of Filipz123). The item itself seemed more like just a product/formulation/brand of existing "inventions", but I won't oppose if you want to re-add that cat. DMacks (talk) 20:11, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * It has been in that, admittedly small, cat for five years. I think the socking issue is more about trying to do "the opposite of their usual edits" and removing an inventions cat (rather than the real opposite, of doing something useful).
 * It could be deleted under SMALLCAT, but the geographic bias of WP is so bad already that I'm not going to be the one to suggest skewing it further. Andy Dingley (talk) 20:36, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. DMacks (talk) 20:38, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-28
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * A new image scaler fixed a number of bugs for showing SVG files. Some new problems turned up.
 * Notifications are grouped by types. They are now counted by number of notifications and not by unread groups. That change may increase the number of notifications displayed. The earlier way of counting was often incorrect. Unread notifications will also be displayed first.
 * Special:Notifications now has a maximum width for the notifications list on desktop computers. This allows long titles and descriptions to be cut properly. Notifications are now also better parsed.

Problems
 * On 5 July Wikimedia Commons had problems and could not be edited for 20 minutes. For a short while after that the recent changes log and some gadgets were not working properly. It affected administrative actions on other projects too.
 * Users who have multiple unread notifications can mark them as read by visiting Special:Notifications page on their wiki.

Changes this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 12 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 13 July. It will be on all wikis from 14 July (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 12 July at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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PAHs
This morning I did a lot of editing and cutting in the polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon article and then noticed that you also had also done a lot of work on this longish article. If you see anything that looks untoward in my work, then let me know and I will try to address the problems. I tried to combine some short sections. Also I became convinced that PAH's begin with tricyclics. Also if anything occurs to you that the article needs, let me know. Probably most readers are interested in health effects, e.g. from cook stoves and autos. --Smokefoot (talk) 11:42, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Why my reference link counting as spam.
Hi,

I don't understand whenever I try to add a link to the reference category, every time got the message that I am doing spamming. How it's possible, the link is talking about the review of the movie. Can you please help me how could correct these mistakes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Madhumandal121 (talk • contribs) 08:15, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * As the note on your talkpage says, wikipedia is a an encyclopedia of article content (mostly text written by editors), not just a place to post links to external sources. DMacks (talk) 08:18, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Have you checked the link, it was the same as others. The link was talking about the review of the movie not promoting itself. Your Wikipedia guidelines are so complicated and can you make it simple if you can?
 * I checked the link. It was the same as the others. Therefore it added nothing new to our encyclopedia. You seem focused on getting references to that website included, a website that seems like a fairly unknown one compared to others. Without strong evidence that it is "reliable" and adds something new what we already have, that's what makes your edit feel like WP:REFSPAM. DMacks (talk) 13:32, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-29
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * Due to the rollback, new sorting of Notifications on the Fly-Out Menus has been deployed with a delay.
 * Octicons-tools.svg Due to the rollback, the daily special patch deployment process has been changed.
 * In notifications, "Messages" are now called "".

Problems
 * On July 12 all wikis were rolled back to MediaWiki 1.28.0-wmf.8 due to a problem in the log-in system.

Changes this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 19 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 20 July. It will be on all wikis from 21 July (calendar).
 * Special:Log now has a help link.
 * The RevisionSlider can be tested on the beta cluster. From 22 July, it will be available as a beta feature at:, ,

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 19 July at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-tools.svg You can join the next meeting with the Architecture committee. The topic this week is "Devise plan for a cross-wiki watchlist back-end". The meeting will be on 20 July at 21:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * User scripts and bots can no longer use http:// to edit wiki pages.
 * Octicons-tools.svg Gerrit is going to be updated. Developers are invited to test it.

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Tech News: 2016-30
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * Interactive maps have been enabled for Meta wiki and the Catalan, Hebrew, and Macedonian Wikipedias. Learn how to add interactive maps to wiki pages.
 * Octicons-tools.svg Last week's rollback is now documented.

Problems
 * Sometimes, the visual editor required saving twice. That problem is now fixed.

Changes this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 26 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 27 July. It will be on all wikis from 28 July (calendar).
 * It is now possible to mark all Notifications as read on Special:Notifications, by clicking on the cog icon.
 * Wikipedia search will now detect the language of your search if 2 or fewer results are found. It will then show results from the matching language Wikipedia, if any relevant article exists. It will start to roll out in 5 languages.

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 26 July at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-tools.svg You can join the next meeting with the Architecture committee. The topic this week is "an extension that implements an authenticated key-value store". The meeting will be on 27 July at 21:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * The current icon for Notifications "" (in English "Notices") will be changed from a bubble-speech icon to a tray icon for consistency.
 * Special:Notifications page code will be changed to be more Mobile friendly.

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Impractical Jokers
Sounds like you hate the Impractical Jokers... why you keep deleting them from the Monsignor Farrell High School wiki page?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:14C:8101:4B84:D004:654:DB2A:A2B3 (talk) 21:44, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
 * WP:BLP policy and WP:NLIST content-guideline. DMacks (talk) 22:10, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

on the page of dihedral angle, I linked hydrogen peroxide because was trying to link this-one.
on the page of dihedral angle, I linked hydrogen peroxide because was trying to link this-one.

RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 14:42, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
 * But it's pretty far off topic. Why is this chemical important in this context? Wikipedia article's shouldn't try to be all-encompassing essays on whole topics. Especially for a scientific topic that has a hierarchy, there is a Summary style of a main topic, and then separate pages with details of each subtopic. So it's not appropriate to have a ton of images focusing on one subtopic taking over the parent/main-topic article. And it's not necessary to have WP:SEEALSO for all the subtopics, because they would already be discussed and linked from their own summary sections. DMacks (talk) 22:13, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-31
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Recent changes
 * A prototype for structured data on Commons is available now.
 * The RevisionSlider beta feature can now be tested on mediawiki.org, German Wikipedia, Arabic Wikipedia and Hebrew Wikipedia.

Problems
 * Renamed users on some wikis were not connected to their account on other wikis between 20 July and 21 July. This has been fixed.

Changes this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 2 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 3 August. It will be on all wikis from 4 August (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 2 August at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
 * The next CREDIT showcase will be on 3 August at 18:00 (UTC). This is to present and comment on new gadgets, small projects and works in progress. See how to join.
 * Octicons-tools.svg You can join the next meeting with the Architecture committee. The topic this week is "notifications in core". The meeting will be on 3 August at 21:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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Mac McGarry image
Hi DMacks. Thanks for catching that mistake. I meant to go back and fix it myself, but as I posted on Commons I got busy. I was also going to re-add the file to both articles, but you beat me to it. Now, about Mac McGarry, I'm pretty positive those are all copyright violations so they should go per WP:COPYLINK and WP:ELNEVER. None of those individual YouTube channels seem official and it's highly unlikely that the YouTube uploaders are the copyright holders of any of that video footage. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:33, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree that they look like copyvio (the content policy and guideline you mention). And they also seem like it doesn't contribute any encyclopediac value (a simple editorial judgement similar to WP:LINKFARM). I could support a WP:FAIRUSE en.wp upload of a screenshot of him hosting some program or similar if actually seeing it helped reader understanding. But for now, all we have is prose like "he hosted X, Y, Z", which is completely explained by that sort of phrase itself. DMacks (talk) 07:45, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Ping User:Mbclev, who added a bunch of them, for thoughts. DMacks (talk) 07:47, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi again DMacks. Just wanted to let you know that another editor has nominated the McGarry file for deletion at c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Mac McGarry - It's Academic.jpg. I mentioned you in the comment I added, so I just letting you here as a courtesy just in case. Finally, regarding the YouTube links, Mbcley appears to go quite a bit of time between edits, so not sure if and when they will respond to you query. So, I am removing the YouTube section per COPYLINK; it can always be re-added in a more appropriate manner at a latter date if a consensus can be reached to do so. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:25, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for both the link-cleanup (agreed that it's easy enough to re-add or have more discussion if that other editor returns and is interested) and the alert about the commons image nom. I commented there. DMacks (talk) 02:02, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

User:Electivo000, User:24.114.67.56
Hi, since you were a blocking admin on one of these I thought I would post this here. User:24.114.67.56 inserted Tesla PUSH'y edits at Radio diff, diff. Brand new account User:Electivo000 popped up right after that to insert more Tesla PUSH'yness diff. User:24.114.67.56 is identified as a sockpuppet of blocked user User:Filipz123 here. User:Electivo000 takes credit for User:24.114.67.56's Radio edit here. If I should be taking this to ANI instead let me know. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 02:00, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

That was my IP then I made an account. I'm not a sockpuppet — Preceding unsigned comment added by Electivo000 (talk • contribs) 02:02, 2 August 2016 (UTC)


 * FYI, this has been moved on to SPI. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 02:43, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message and following up (and sending to SPI while I was off doing other stuff:)...obvious sock is obvious, blocking thereof likewise. DMacks (talk) 04:08, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Commandernavy sockpuppet
obvious sock is obvious. --182.66.12.77 (talk) 18:06, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

IP rollback?
Based on https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amusement_park&diff=prev&oldid=733045909 - rollback all by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.114.54.197 per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.114.59.66 & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.114.66.79 - ? - please action as appropriate, I don't have rollback. Thanks. 81.141.41.74 (talk) 12:21, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Victorium vs. Monium (element)
Looks like we both had the same idea. What do you think we should do? Merge? I'd have thought that Victorium would be the better article name, given that Monium only seems to have lasted its through its first year and its tentative symbol was Vc. Brycehughes (talk) 20:56, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and merged them. Feel free to move/edit as you think best. Brycehughes (talk) 00:17, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Definitely merge. I have no strong feeling about which gets the actual article, but longer-lasting (historically) and given a symbol seem like good enough reasons to go with Monium (element)→Victorium as you have done. Thanks! Great minds and all that:) DMacks (talk) 02:02, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-32
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Recent changes
 * In notifications, the icon for has been changed from a speech-bubble icon (Echo chat icon.svg) to a tray icon (OOjs UI icon tray.svg) for consistency. The  icon has been redesigned too. The colors have been changed for accessibility.

Problems
 * If you use the wikEd gadget, changes you made were not kept when you switched from the wikitext editor to the visual editor while you were editing. This has now been fixed.

Changes this week
 * Wikimedia search will now ignore question marks at the end of the sentences or words you use when you search. Until now the question mark was just a wildcard.
 * On Commons, UploadWizard will now be available on mobile, rather than just the old upload form. This should reduce the workload for the community in reviewing images.
 * When you edit with the visual editor a puzzle symbol tells you there is an invisible template in the article. It will now mention the name of the template.
 * The button to read something in another language will move for mobile users. This will happen on 9 August.
 * When someone mentions you and links to your user page you get a notification. You will now get a notification when you mention yourself this way.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 9 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 10 August. It will be on all wikis from 11 August (calendar).
 * A message on Notifications panel will invite users to try Special:Notifications page.

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on August 9 at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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Fluorescent lamps

 * I appreciate your message about your opinions on what clutters up articles histories. However, I find that reverting my changeset with the the messsage "useless edit" to be dismissive, harassing, and ultimately self-defeating. Please restrain yourself. 178.16.2.15 (talk) 02:45, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * It was a single case, of the many you did. I picked one that had no other useful changes, specifically so wikipedia software would alert you that an edit of yours was undone, and then I posted to your talkpage explaining exactly why. I don't recommend you edit-war it, but instead undo your undoing as a sign of good faith, since your edit is disputed (ball's in your court to get consensus for change) and you now seem to be doing it solely to make some point about its disruptive nature. DMacks (talk) 02:50, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Of and Off
Regarding this revert, I think the form with "off" is grammatically wrong. --Daniele Pugliesi (talk) 14:23, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * How about "branches off of"? Strict grammar can't be a reason to be less technically correct or potentially ambiguous in meaning. DMacks (talk) 14:25, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Post
I like "Post" as well, and I think it's particularly good for talk pages. However, I suspect that it might be less popular with our fellow editors. It would probably be rejected because it "sounds like a social media site" and is "too informal for a serious encyclopedia". (And on the staff side, it may be rejected for being even harder to translate. At least with "Publish", everyone can agree that it should be the same word that gets used in copyright laws, and that should cover every language that is an official language for any country (and even some former ones).)  Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 15:30, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Nomination of KACE (AM) for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article KACE (AM) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/KACE (AM) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Bearcat (talk) 21:07, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Deletion of Musetti due G11
Hi, unfortunately you decided Musetti page I created violates G11 ? What is the difference to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Houtte for example? I was following just similar structure to keep it simple and without commercial info. Company Musetti exists and this is fact, I do not understanfd your judgemnet.

Bryanbryansk (talk) 21:08, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
 * That other page does not have fluffy marketting terms and praise, but instead dispassionately describes things. And it's also a cut'n'paste from some other website, a Copyright violations problem that I did not notice at that time that would have also led to immediate deletion (WP:G12). It's not surprising that a company's own website would be written as an ad, rather than as as neutrally worded encyclopedia article. DMacks (talk) 21:40, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-33
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Problems
 * Last week Tech News announced you will get a notification when you mention yourself the same way as if someone else had mentioned you. This caused some problems and will happen later instead.
 * Creating and editing links to sections on other pages on the wiki now works again in the visual editor.
 * For some users, cross-wiki notifications haven't been working properly. The count has been wrong when only cross-wiki notifications were present. The cross-wiki bundle has been showing only the names of wikis and not the actual notifications. This will be fixed soon.

Changes this week
 * The login session when you choose "Keep me logged in" will now last a year. Previously it was 30 days. This will happen on August 16.
 * Some abuse filters will have to be updated during the week. This is because a bug will be fixed.
 * In compact language links, two new kinds of languages will be shown in the shorter language list: Languages that are used in the article's text, and languages where the article has a badge like "featured article" or "good article".
 * The visual editor will be available by default for logged-out editors on Wikipedias that use the Arabic script. It is already default for logged-in editors.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from August 16. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from August 17. It will be on all wikis from August 18 (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on August 16 at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * Starting the week of August 22 there will be three software deployment windows. They will be at 13:00, 18:00, and 23:00 UTC. This is to have more times when software of the wikis can be updated and make it easier for developers in different parts of the world.

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Wikibomb
Yeah thanks for reverting the revrt - very valid - in process of trying to resolve the article and issues - please keep on watch - hope to resolve soon JarrahTree 02:34, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
 * As far as I can tell, the current content needs to completely go away--WP:TNT as copyvio of the cited ref, whose site asserts a non-free license). If you or someone could write from scratch a sentence or two, that will mean we can at least keep a stub while discussing it further. DMacks (talk) 02:38, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
 * yeah well intentioned but wrong tackle, sigh JarrahTree 02:42, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-34
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Recent changes
 * The ORES review tool is now available on Special:Contributions as a beta feature. It can make it easier to find contributions that are probably damaging the wikis. The ORES review tool is available on Wikidata and Persian, Polish, Portuguese, Dutch, Turkish and Russian Wikipedia.
 * Octicons-tools.svg The  and   functions have been updated to make it easier to write abuse filters. This also affects the TitleBlacklist extension. You don't have to transform "I" and "L" to "1", "O" to "0" and "S" to "5" anymore.
 * Octicons-tools.svg The old pageview data in the "pagecounts-raw" and "pagecounts-all-sites" files is no longer being updated. You can find the new pageview data here. This happened on August 5.

Problems
 * Some big image files could not be thumbnailed. This has now been fixed.
 * When you moved a page over a redirect it would delete the redirect without saving it in the logs. This has now been fixed.

Changes this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 23 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 24 August. It will be on all wikis from 25 August (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 23 August at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * Sometimes when you mention another user they don't get a notification. You will be able to get a notification when you successfully sent out a mention to someone or be told if they did not get a notification. This will be opt-in. You can test this on the test wiki.
 * How you add text after an edit conflict might work in a different way in the future. You can test the prototype.

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Paraquat
Hi, I have documentation for all of my edits on the paraquat page. They all come from the same source. And the article itself, as I explained in my edit notes, is already skewed toward suggesting paraquat is safe. The conclusion of the article is simply not true, there is not consensus on the safety of smoking paraquat contaminated pot. Stayhomegal (talk) 20:31, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * "They all come from the same source" was not at all obvious (as I noted). DMacks (talk) 14:16, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Salt
How could such a self published source be considered reliable? --Antigng (talk) 04:41, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * As best I can tell, it's the company saying how its customers use its product. That seems to be reasonable support that the product can be used in that way. The use of NaCl as a flux for Al seems fairly common...US EPA report for example, which confirms that the company's publication is at least in the ballpark of an actually used process. DMacks (talk) 04:58, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-35
<section begin="technews-2016-W35"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * Wikimedia mobile sites now don't load images if the user doesn't see them. This is to save mobile data and make the pages load faster.
 * When you edit a table with the visual editor, pressing  in the last cell of a row will take you to the first cell in the next row. Pressing   and   in the first cell of a row will take you to the last cell in the previous row.

Changes this week
 * The name of the " " button will change. The button will say "  " when you create a new page. It will say "  " when you change an existing page.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 30 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 31 August. It will be on all wikis from 1 September (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 30 August at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-tools.svg You can join the next meeting with the Architecture committee. The topic this week is "RfC: image and oldimage tables". The meeting will be on 31 August at 21:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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How does X work?
Hi, I have created an article page on Wikipedia page, by mistake some content deleted by me and I don't know when it happened without my knowledge. Now, the Wikipedia say that: It is proposed that this article is removed because of the following concern: The non-notable website fails WP: WEB and the general notability guideline.

If you can address this concern by improving, copyediting, sourcing, renaming, or merging the page, please edit this page and do so. You may remove this message if you improve the article or otherwise object to deletion for any reason. Although not required, you are encouraged to explain why you object to the deletion, either in your edit summary or on the talk page. If this template is removed, do not replace it.

Can you help me, how could I recover the page. Plz help me

Madhumandal121 (talk) 04:53, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
 * It's simple: It's there's not a lot of news sources and reviews, it's not yet acceptable. SwisterTwister   talk  04:54, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks User:SwisterTwister! DMacks (talk) 22:37, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

This Month in Education: [September 2016]
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 * Armenia: Armenian students inspire their parents to join Wikipedia
 * Brazil: Brazilian Wikimedians interview editor of academic journal Wiki Studies
 * Egypt: Cairo University students wrap up their eighth term and start their ninth term on WEP
 * Egypt: Egyptian Wikimedians celebrate eighth WEP conference
 * Greece: Online wiki training for educators in Greece
 * Israel: Outcomes report on a Wikipedia Course “Skills for Producing and Consuming Knowledge”, Tel Aviv University
 * Israel: Wikipedia as a Teaching and Learning Tool in Medical Education at IAMSE Medical Education Conference
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 * Mexico: Video projects redefine student Wiki work and student community service
 * Russia: Wiki Workshop at Saint Petersburg Internet Conference 2016 in Russia
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 * West Africa: West African schools will test Kiwix, the offline Wikipedia reader
 * Global: Programs and Events Dashboard Update
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Richard Smallwood article
My name is Richard Smallwood. I'm a recording artist, composer, musician. I replaced a VERY outdated bio with my current one, from my record label only to have it taken down and replaced with one that is not representative of my accomplishments or where I am in my career today. You mentioned something about it not being "neutral to you". I have no idea what is meant by that and would like more clarification. This is my official, latest bio from RCA. Thank you Richard Lee Smallwood — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smallrich (talk • contribs) 19:35, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Two major issues: First, licensing policy: if you are using someone else's content, you must have their permission to make an explicit open-license release. That's something record labels are almost never willing to do (thinking "we're giving away our content and letting anyone use it for any purpose for free?!?!?!?!"). Second, any content must be completely objective, no emotional-appeal, future-predicting, vague-but-excessive praise, etc. That's pretty much the opposite of how any organization or agent would write about any public personality or artist. See our conflict of interest guideline, for example. DMacks (talk) 20:33, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Azad Maidan Riots
Hi DMacks,

I saw that you have flagged a photo for deletion. Please note that this was a very iconic photo from the riots and EVERY newspaper showed this single photo. The article would be incomplete without this. File:Desecration of Amar Jawan Jyoti during Azad Maidan riots.jpg
 * Non-free content criteria, wikipedia's policy on non-free images, says that we could only consider it if this exact image's "presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding." DMacks (talk) 20:04, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Regarding notable alumni of IIT BHU
Hello DMacks,

I recently added Ganesh Rengaswamy to notable alumni. He is an alummnus of Harvard Business School and a co-founder of Travelguru.com, which was India's first online travel company. Currently, he is co-founder of Quona Capital, a Venture Capital firm. Check him here: http://www.itbhuglobal.org/chronicle/archives/2009/07/interview_with_20.php http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=26489987&privcapId=308523133

Myself a current student at IIT BHU. Rajanarora95 (talk) 11:28, 2 September 2016 (UTC)September 2, 16:57(GMT +5:30)

Hi DMacks, I am from the Alumni Cell of IIT BHU and request you to check out Ganesh. He is the co-founder of one of the the most-notable travel companies of India. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajanarora95 (talk • contribs) 11:42, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:BIO for what it means to be "notable" in the context of wikipedia, and the importance of reliable independent sources. It is not quite the plain-language meaning, is not strictly about the notability of projects or organizations with which they have been involved, and apparently is not what you think. From experience, it's often difficult for editors (myself included) to be completely objective when writing about our own organizations even as best we try (see the conflict of interest guideline). DMacks (talk) 20:25, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Rajan: Sorry for the late reply, I saw now (3 Sep, 12.19 (GMT+5.30). I don't think you know that notability guidelines are for checking whether a topic warrants its own article, not criteria for notable alumni. I see that you live in the US, and may not be aware of what may qualify as notability in Indian institutions. In the absence of Wikipedia guidelines of who may be considered among notable alumni, I think you should leave it to the institution (IIT BHU) to decide. Please mail any queries to alumnicell@iitbhu.ac.in of which I am the official student representative. Moreover, if you checked, many other notable alumni in Science and Technology are simple professors, not even Dept. Chairs. I suggest you leave it to the institution to decide, as it is not disinformation and a simple matter of subjectivity. Thanks for your patience. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajanarora95 (talk • contribs) 06:56, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
 * If someone has an article, then either they have notability, or their article needs to be deleted. Notability is not a cultural phenomenon, it is a wikipedia standard for our website here. You are welcome to set up your own website for your own alumni or your own culture-specific aspects (even wikipedia in other languages has varying standards). But again, here, it is explicit that being a professor or even department chair, or even dean (to use US terminology) is not sufficient. And an alumni group's own website is not sufficient at all. And an alumni representative really shouldn't be doing this at all. Perhaps you think wikipedia is a free place to post whatever you (or anyone who wants to post) thinks is appropriate or to use your own sense of what is important (or "notable"). But that is completely wrong, and you can easily have your permission to post here revoked if you don't follow the rules here. DMacks (talk) 20:08, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2016-36
<section begin="technews-2016-W36"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * Word-level diffs now work in longer paragraphs.
 * Interactive maps now have a frame by default. This is to make them look like other multimedia objects. This affects all Wikivoyages, the Catalan, Hebrew, Macedonian Wikipedias and Meta.
 * Octicons-tools.svg When you preview the MediaWiki:Captcha-ip-whitelist page it will show a validation output of the listed IP addresses instead of the list of addresses only. This can help you to identify if your whitelist rules will work or not.

Changes this week
 * You will be able to use  on all Wikipedias. It creates a link to a full screen map.
 * Sometimes when you mention another user they don't get a notification. You will be able to get a notification when you successfully send out a mention to someone or be told if they did not get a notification. This will be opt-in.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 September. It will be on all wikis from 8 September (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 6 September at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg The CheckUser extension could work differently in the future. There is a Request for Comments to figure out how.

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Badak LNG Deletion
Dear DMacks, i cant understand why you are deleting Badak LNG, this company is real and very important. You can contact me admbusdev@badaklng.co.id for further info, or you can see the info for yourself at www.badaklng.co.id I already make Badak LNG article in idwiki and there is no problem. The reason for deletion still unclear. Badak LNG is the biggest revenue maker for Indonesia in LNG sector, you cannot just delete the article like that. I hope you read it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Candra Aditya Wiguna (talk • contribs) 08:10, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The reasons are posted several times times on your talkpage. Go read them...really, go read them carefully until you understand. To summarize: I know nothing about other wikipedia sites, but nothing "there" matters for content "here", which is what we talk about here. You are not allowed to copy content from other websites without their permission. For copyright violations, yes, I certainly can and always do delete a page "just like that"--it is our policy here. Once the copyright problem was fixed, there was nothing left of the article to demonstrate that the company is "notable" (again, WP:CSD explicitly does permit prompt deletion in this case). I hope you now recognize these problems. And why your whole topic area is a problem. DMacks (talk) 08:22, 6 September 2016 (UTC)