User talk:DRosenbach/Archive 1

Welcome, and thanks
Thanks for your contributions! I see you're adding content about things that hadn't had articles before, that's great. Hope you stick around and continue to make good edits. BTW, don't get discouraged if you ever find one of your articles tagged with a Vote for Deletion. Some could argue that Removable partial dentures should go into the dentures article, for example. So, if you ever find that your content gets merged, don't take it personally. Most of the people here are remarkably kind and well-meaning. Hope you enjoy your stay and keep up the good edits. Friday 04:43, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

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about Dentures
I have put the following comment on the Talk:Dentures page:


 * There seems to me, from my own experience, to be another problem with stability of dentures; when biting with the front teeth, the incisors, there is a tendency for one or both plates to tip the rear of the plate toward the other plate, and tip the front of the plate away from the other plate. I hope that the anonymous User:DRosenbach (who seems to be a dentist, and who completely rewrote Dentures) will see this comment, and address the problem. Too Old 01:50, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Ritual Decalogue
In the Ritual Decalogue article you wrote, "according to the Jewish faith, there is absolutely no difference between the Ten Commandments in Exodus 20 and Exodus 34." This is something I'm curious about, and planned to ask the rabbi the next time I'm at temple, but that could be a long time! Given the very obvious differences in the commandments of Ex. 20 and 34, how is this reconciled with the belief that they are the same? Could you add something to the article to clarify this?

Also, do you know anything as to why the ritual commandments were abandoned for the ethical ones?

Thanks, kwami 04:13, 2005 July 25 (UTC)


 * You make some interesting points, but don't really address the first question. Maybe it's a non-question in Orthodoxy. (I'm not concerned with Xty here.) As far as I know, the Decalogue is called the עשרת הדברות in the Mishnah, but this phrase nowhere occurs in the Torah. Instead, we find the similar phrase עשרת הדברים. This is only used three times, and only once identified explicitly: in Exodus 34. A literal reading of Ex. 34-35 would leave no doubt that it was these laws that were written on the tablets and placed intact in the Ark. However, Orthodoxy teaches just the opposite. There's a conflict there, and I'm sure it's resolved somehow, but calling it 'baloney' would hardly be good enough for an inquiring mind. (As for your example of the Mishna being necessary to clarify the making of fire on the Sabbath, I never would have understood it otherwise: in the Torah, Moses quite clearly says it is the making a fire that is prohibited, not the keeping of one.) Thanks, kwami 19:08, 2005 July 27 (UTC)


 * Hi Dale,
 * Okay, I think we're narrowing it down. You say that "Exodus 34 merely mentions another bunch of other religious regulations, but does not assert that these regulations are presented to replace anything." Clearly, they aren't considered the Decalogue, by Jews or Christians of any sect I'm aware of. And I'm not asking about them replacing anything. What I'm having a hard time wrapping my brain around is that they are called the Decalogue in the Torah, and are the only laws that are. They're also described as the laws inscribed on stone as the Covenant with Israel. They are further described as being placed intact in the Ark of the Covenant. Reading Ex. 34-35, I can only conclude that these are the true Ten Commandments, and that the laws in Ex. 20 and Deut. 5 are something else. I've read historical Biblical scholars who believe that the Decalogue changed over time, and what we have are two different versions. That isn't the Orthodox view, of course, but somewhere there must be an explanation for how Ex 34 could be called and described as the Decalogue, if the actual Decalogue is Ex 20/Deut 5. Just saying they aren't doesn't clarify why they should be presented as if they were. kwami 00:31, 2005 July 28 (UTC)


 * Well, I'm disappointed that this is the best anyone could come up with.
 * "I hereby make a covenant.
 * [Laws of Ex 34]
 * "The LORD said to Moses, Write these words; in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel. [...] And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, עשרת הדברים."
 * The wording "covenant" is parenthetical around the Ex 34 laws; usually with such parenthetic material in the Torah, the enclosed material is held to be relevant. Sure, we can simply deny that they're the laws in question, but that only works if the conclusion is assumed beforehand. It's no way to convince anyone. Oh well.


 * I'd wondered if perhaps the wording dibros vs. dvarim were used, so thank you for clarifying that. A surface reading would suggest that they are synonyms, but I wasn't sure. kwami 20:25, 2005 July 28 (UTC)


 * Why am I interested &mdash; well, let's see. I'm not a religious person, but often religious concepts come to the fore, and I become curious about them. Such as, say, whether Islam is a religion of peace or a religion of war. (A lot of fascinating history before the Koran was "standardized", and there are still three different versions that are endorsed by different govts or sects.) Recently there's been a lot of debate (and a lot of nonsense) as to whether the US government should implicitly endorse the Ten Commandments by posting them in the courts and other federal buildings. You hear all sorts of reasons why this wouldn't amount to a state sponsorship of religion, such as the common claim that the TC aren't a religious document. (It was declared by the Supreme Court that the word "God" is not a religious concept either, and therefore it is acceptable to put it on US currency &mdash; something I suspect should be even more offensive to truly religious people than it is to atheists.) Anyway, I became curious as to what the TC really were, and how anyone could claim they weren't religious. I looked them up in a Biblical concordance, and was quite surprised to find that the words were in Ex 34, not Ex 20 or Deut 5, and that there were even terms in the lit to distinguish the two versions. I was further surprised that, not only did my Christian friends not have an explanation for this, but they had never even heard of it, and then they started wondering why they'd never heard of it. (My Jewish friends aren't very Jewish, and wouldn't be surprised or troubled by this.) I think I understand the Orthodox position now that you've explained it, but I wonder how a fundamentalist Christian, who rejects the Oral Law and takes every word of the Bible literally, would deal with it. Maybe the same way a Catholic deals with the 2nd Commandment, through denial? That's the next thing to look into.
 * Take care, kwami 21:48, 2005 August 3 (UTC)

Vote for Deletion
Hi, see Votes for deletion/Ritual Decalogue. Thank you. IZAK 10:38, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

About removing encyclopaedic information
Please do not remove encyclopaedic information. The forms tallét gedolah and tallét gedolah are well-established forms and should not be removed because of your personal/ethnic POV. Respectfully, Olve 18:09, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Cute kid, but...
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Can you please clarify which Rainbow Bridge this is? It's currenly orphaned right now, so I wanted to put it in an article, but as I disocvered there are at least seven Rainbow Bridges around. Hbdragon88 16:47, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

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Conversions to judaism on a bunch of pages.

 * however, "conversion" to Judaism without intent to properly follow Jewish law is not considered conversion at all.

Is it really necessary to add this all over the place? 192.75.48.150 16:27, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Since you're so bold as to post without revealing your identity...I wonder if your remark deserves response. Is it really necessary to have all these people parading around as Jews?


 * You responded, so I guess you think it did deserve one. Maybe consider just changing "converted to Judaism" to "converted to Judaism", rather than adding a lengthy qualifier. This is less obtrusive, and the issue is discussed on that page more thoroughly and neutrally. 192.75.48.150 16:45, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Conversion of Judaism is not subjective beyond the scope of its subjectivity among the Torah-true rabbis of Orthodox Judaism. Non-orthodox Judaism is not Judaism, and statements made about the religion of certain people when in fact they are not of that religion are false. The fact that they attempted to convert doesn't make them Jewish. This is not a POV issue. It's a truism of Judaism.

Your RfA
Hello Dale! I have removed your RfA from the main RfA page since you have withdrawn. I urge you not to be discouraged, though. Remember that adminship does not reflect the value of a user's contributions to the encyclopedia; it is just another set of tools. If you continue to visit WP:RFA, you will get a good idea of what administrators generally use the tools for, and what !voters are looking for from candidates. Continue to gain experience and the trust of other editors, and you may try again in the future. Let me know if you have any questions or concerns. Happy Holidays! Dar-Ape 20:28, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I think you have taken the right decision. You are a good contributor. Once you work on any shortcomings, I am sure your next RfA will certainly succeed. Best wishes, Asterion talk 01:10, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I am surprized there's another user from Passaic. Nice to meet you. See you around. - crz crztalk 01:39, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

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YU Roshei Yeshiva, etc.
Thanks for the kind words. The truth is that I should have been doing some serious real life work this evening, but I kind of went on an impulsive editing spree with this Roshei Yeshiva business. You should know that while Rav Willig should stay 100% in my opinion, I'm not so sure about Rav Sacks... and I'm pretty sure that many of the currently redlinked Roshei Yeshiva should remain without articles to their names. Regardless, the navbox was a great idea and long overdue. Best, DLand TALK 03:27, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Blocked??
Am I blocked from uploading pictures? For some reason, I cannot do so. Dale 00:45, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * You have no enties in the block log. What error message are you getting? --Selket Talk 01:24, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Mandelbrodt
I hope you don't mind - I posted the photo of your daughter at Talk:Mandelbrodt, for potential use in the article. Cute picture! --DLand TALK 04:14, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for the barnstar - I appreciate it! Have a good Shabbos, DLand TALK 19:03, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Merge proposal
I have just added a 'merge' tag on both Bridge (dentistry) and Crown (dentistry). You could now possibly watch this page for discussions on the merge and show your opinion. Thank you, Extranet (Talk 21:49, 23 February 2007 (UTC)


 * No problem, with regard to the merge, it has automatically been added to the Articles to be merged since February 2007 category, so you can just leave it and when an administrator gets around to it, they will merge it. About the adminship offer, maybe you could possibly wait a few months because my 2nd personal nomination request that in fact ended on Saturday did not reach consensus. The people that opposed have recommended to keep editing and contributing and try again another time. I thank you for the offer, but you would have to wait a few months before nominating me again. If you require any more assistance, please do not hesitate to contact me. Kind regards, Extranet (Talk 05:49, 26 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the barnstar. Its much appreciated. Kind regards, Extranet (Talk 20:03, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Maryland Bridge -- JRS' reply
....

However, bonding is extremely unreliable and, with any real function, the Maryland bridge will be popping off weekly.


 * In my case, that's very true. After having my dentist repeatedly put mine back in, and then it falling out a few days later, I finally decided after 6 months of this crap, to just go with a gap in my teeth. --John R. Sellers 04:19, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Removable bridge
Both my father and my maternal aunt had a removable prothesis with hooks around adjacent molars - it did not have the extensive gum line plastic, and the term "removable bridge" was in common use for this type of device. This was before bridging crowns were in common use. Is this just a missuse of the term? - Leonard G. 00:48, 28 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The hooks you speak of are actually clasps of what was most probably a removable partial denture, commonly called an RPD. The term "bridge" refers to the fact that the 3-unit fixed partial denture spans the edentulous space.  Any reference of a bridge to a removable partical denture is purely a projection of the name actually reserved for the fixed partial denture.  The removable partial denture is the poor man's bridge, so to speak, but only in terms of treatment planning, as they would serve the same purpose of restoring partial edentulism.  The extensive gum-line plastic you refer to is required on dentures for broader tissue support and, for maxillary complete dentures, in order to establish a proper seal for the suction that works to hold the denture in place.  RPD's do not require such suction because the clasps provide retention. DRosenbach (Talk 00:56, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Pin
Oh, perhaps so? No telling. Maybe a post is what they meant, but then again "even down into the jaw to support a crown"? The only thing I could think of is an implant. No post would be used for that sort of thing. - Dozenist talk  00:50, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Memphis, TN. You? - Dozenist talk  00:57, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * We should talk sometime via a quicker medium. Do you ever use google talk? - Dozenist talk  01:16, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Crown/Bridge merge
I put a response on the talk page. Let me know what you think. Dr-G - Illigetimi non carborundum est. 20:27, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

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Charge of an electron
Re Millikan, the symbol for an electron is e-, but its charge is usually qe or some such, is it not? Dicklyon 13:29, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Hold up on the crown and bridge development for one second
Hey ;) I like some of the changes you have made to this page, and the pictures are great, it was one that obviously needed work. There are some changes I dislike though, so could you please discuss them before you go any further Talk:Bridge (dentistry) :) Bouncingmolar 21:23, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi again. You have added some useful contributions to the crown and bridge page. However please try not to get offended by critism. When discussing articles, I think emotive language does not help. . All I am saying is just state the facts and your reason and that should be enough. If it is logical enough I don't see any reason why others, including myself won't agree with it. I think people in general find it more difficult to see the facts presented if they are surrounded exaggerations and emotional language. Again, i have to say your contributions are good, and I hope we can work together on this one :)Bouncingmolar 23:20, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * yes.. I did ask dr G to comment, but actually, I was hoping that the comments would be more relevant to the current discussion ie. the format of the article and my recommendations in this section. I have re read alot of the discussion and agree that talking about ong et al etc is off topic. I also asked for dozenist's opinion but he is currently on holiday. They seemed to be the only other active contributors to the page i could find apart from you and me. Since that didn't work out, can you please comment on the recommendations i have made. Thanks :| Bouncingmolar 02:11, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

invitation to WikiProject Dentistry
I consider you to already be part of this group, but would you like to put your name on the list? WikiProject_Dentistry/Participants. Feel free to add   member userbox to your user page: Bouncingmolar 02:17, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Natan Slifkin
I see you are also interested in Natan Slifkin. Please review these articles, because I have run up against an intransigent editor:


 * Jewish reactions to intelligent design
 * Jewish opposition to evolution

Perhaps you could also review the changes the same editor has made to Natan Slifkin. He does not come from the Jewish perspective, and he seems to be following me around and looking for ways to harass me. --Metzenberg 05:03, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I wrote the articles Jewish opposition to evolution and Jewish reactions to intelligent design over the last two days, mostly. If you find these articles to be not neutral or biased, then I would like to see someone with your perspective contribute to them and make them better. I searched through the wikiproject Judaism portal for other editors who are aware of these controversies. I don't think it helps to have an outsider tagging and deleting things arbitrarily, as the other editor was doing, including interfering with my writing as I am writing. He seemed to have a desire to interfere, but no knowledge of Judaism. It is difficult for me to tell why this person was trying so hard to interfere with my work. My guess is that he objected to my inference, on talk pages, that although there is Jewish opposition to evolution, it is of a very different character to what is called creationism. Since you have tagged one of the articles again, please tell me what you think is missing or incorrect. --Metzenberg 06:46, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much. I certainly do not claim that the article Jewish opposition to evolution is complete.  If you look at the talk page, you can see that I have listed sources I am waiting for, like the new University of Chicago Press book on the subject, which contains about ten different essays, and seems very comprehensive.  But I do think that I've made enough of a start for the unbalanced tag to be removed, that I've tried hard with a difficult subject.  When I first discovered the article, it was under the title "Jewish creationism" in an infobox that appeared on many evolution, creationism, and intelligent design pages.  My effort has been to reorganize pages and present the spectrum of Jewish opinion accurately on all of them.  What I think is the most important point is that, while there are Jewish opponents of evolution, they are not "Jewish creationists". They are very different in essential ways from Christian creationists. A person like yourself with training in Talmud, Rambam, and knowledge of later commentaries can be a big help. --Metzenberg 11:36, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

YU Userbox
There were a couple of issues with the YU userbox you created which I have fixed. First, education (alma mater) boxes should be in Template: space and follow the naming convention Template:User yyy. Your box can now be found at User YU. Second, it was not categorized and it did not populate users into a Wikipedian category. Third, it did not have the "nocat" option - which would allow you to include the userbox without joining the Wikipedian category. Fourth, it contained a fair use logo, which is not allowed in any template. I also have created Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Yeshiva University that is populated by this userbox. If you have any questions, please let me know. --NThurston 13:40, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I know you see them from time to time, but User:Durin patrols these pretty heavily, referring people to Fair_use #9. I used to not care, but have found it less disruptive to fix things when I see them rather than have them mysteriously blanked.  --NThurston 17:21, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't agree either. My recommendation is that you find a clever use of letters, fonts, colors, etc. or possibly a free use image to resolve this.  As you look at the many userboxes in Userboxes/Education/United States you might get some ideas.  Let me know how I can help.--NThurston 17:35, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

A tag has been placed on Lentulo spiral, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group or service and which would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11, as well as the guidelines on spam.

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 * Welcome, I suppose. Still, with all the (R) symbols, I can see why it was tagged.  Isn't there anything more than can be written on the subject?  If not, it should probably be merged somewhere.  Mango juice talk 18:40, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

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My proposal
I have added my proposal here. I would appreciate your response. - Dozenist talk  15:53, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Tooth article name
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Our dental project
I agree that increasing participation would be great. I am a bit skeptical that there are more dentists, though, because it is very likely that most dentists have neither the interest nor time to edit on wikipedia. But I say the more, the merrier! That is the whole reason why I started the WikiProject and the Portal. I hope the rating templates on the related article talk pages will help get some editors interested in the project. - Dozenist talk  22:59, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Occlusal trauma
Hey, I noticed that an article you have heavily contributed to, occlusal trauma has been posted on peer review. I did not see much comment on there, which is why I was curious why you changed the rating from "B" level to GA when your edit summary referred to the peer review. Also, was the article ever nominated for peer review? If so, someone else other than you and any other major contributors should decide if it has reached Good Article status. Please let me know if I missed something. - Dozenist talk  00:22, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hello, again. Peer review just gives people an opportunity to look over your article and comment on ways to improve it. I would not be too concerned about the number of people who will review it.  You can first of all post a message on our Dental WikiProject talk page to see if any of us dental guys would be able to review it, and you can ask someone else to copyedit the article. There are lots of guys around who just love copyediting, so I am sure one of them would not mind looking the article over, despite the topic.  In fact, I was pleasantly surprised I had any comments when I placed maxillary central incisor on its peer review.  Already, there was a comment on how to improve the occlusal trauma article in the edit history when it was de-listed as a Good Article.  But posting on peer review is the first step.  If you want the article considered for Good Article status, it is best to wait until the peer review looks to be completely finished (you can tell when it drops off the list of peer review articles), which  may take a while but we should allow other editors plenty of time to read our articles considering their content. Then, you can nominate the article at the Good Article candidates page (dental related articles would probably best fit under the category "medicine").  Basically, anyone other than major authors of an article should promote the article to good article status, and an article is promoted based on these criteria.  Do not feel bad if an article is not promoted to Good Article!  Most people here are just trying to improve the quality of articles, and I certainly have had failed nominations before. Any other questions, just feel free to ask. - Dozenist  talk  22:15, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You may have noticed that three people reviewed occlusal trauma. To read the automated peer review, you will have to go to the archived page for the month of April here. - Dozenist talk  13:15, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

After addressing the issues, which includes asking someone for a copy-edit... which may lead to some more recommendations, I would either ask opinions from editors on WikiProject Dentistry or re-list the article to peer review. This will help strengthen the article a bit. After that, you can nominate the article for Good Article status as I explained above. - Dozenist talk  02:39, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Palestine Map (exchange with HowardMorland)
Hello. Would you be willing to elaborate on your statement that the map you removed, "reflecting political propoganda, is both misleading and incorrect?" I would like to debate this issue with you. I agree that Palestine is not, and likely never will be, a sovereign state, and that all its potential territory has been absorbed by Israel. But what, specifically, is wrong with the map, aside from its title (which is also the title of the Wikipedia article)? Thank you. HowardMorland 15:57, 28 April 2007 (UTC)


 * If there is no country of Palestine, how can there be a map of Palestine. It's not as though this article and its associated maps are about some allegorical or fictitious place like Narnia; on the contrary, this article is pushing a political agenda by exhibiting maps of locations that don't exist.  The article did not posit that this was even a harbinger of the future; rather, the article and its maps assert that the current country of Palestine exists, inhabited by the Palestinians that live in territories under disputed rule.  Let me know if this answers your questions. DRosenbach (Talk 19:31, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. Since your main complaint seems to be with the title of my map, "Palestine: West Bank and Gaza," I was planning to ask what title you might find acceptable. However, your reply seems to find fault with "this article and its associated maps" for "pushing a political agenda by exhibiting maps of locations that don't exist." (Locations that don't exist?)

We seem to be talking not about my map but about the concept of Palestine. As I stated, "I agree that Palestine is not, and likely never will be, a sovereign state," however, a Google search of "Palestine" gets 45 million hits, with this Wikipedia article at the very top of the list. There is obviously something called Palestine that a lot of people are interested in. And it is not imaginary, like Narnia; it is real estate and people.

The global consensus (neutral point of view) would be that Palestine is the West Bank and Gaza. The idea that they might one day constitute a nation is embodied in the name of the Palestinian National Authority, which operates in the West Bank and Gaza, and in the Palestine Liberation Organization, which has often been Israel's partner in formal negotiations.

You say, "If there is no country of Palestine, how can there be a map of Palestine." Maps don't have to be of countries. Aside from saying that my map reflects political propaganda, you have not challenged the veracity or relevance of anything depicted on the map. Would my map be acceptable to you under a different title? HowardMorland 17:57, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

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Ortho critique of Conservative Judaism
Hi, saw your edit. I agree that we needn't mince words. However, I don't think it's accurate to add the clause "Orthodox rabbis have taken several different tacks in gauging the status of individual Conservative Jews, who are deemed no less Jewish than Orthodox Jews but possibly assumed to be misguided, consistent violators of halakhah; it is as though they are following a different religion." The comparison is imprecise, especially problematic in a situation where the poskim are trying to be precise and the distinctions are important. Individuals Conservative Jews are not treated as non-Jewish. For instance, Orthodox Jews never count non-Jews for a minyan but this is not a problem for individual Conservative Jews (e.g., who go to an Orthodox minyan to say kaddish). A Conservative Jew may get an honor at (some) Ortho shuls, but non-Jews never would. The child of a Conservative Jew may be welcome in various Orthodox programs, but not of non-Jews. Etc. Even heretics (apikorsim) are not treated as if they belong to a different religion. Let's continue this on articles talk page, thanks. HG | Talk 22:38, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Conservative Judaism
Hello. I wanted to remind you that talk pages, including Talk:Conservative Judaism, are for discussion related to improving the article, not general discussion about the topic. Talk:Conservative Judaism is not the appropriate forum for you to dictate what is or isn't Judaism. Please refrain from doing this in the future. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz | Talk 17:12, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It might be useful to read Wikipedia's talk page guidelines. Best, --Shirahadasha 17:33, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

WP:AGF
Hi! Just want to encourage you to assume good faith and avoid personal attacks in dealings with other editors, particularly in edit summaries. You might want to avoid statements like this. Best, --Shirahadasha 03:45, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

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Thank You!
I'm still kind of green around here, so I don't know if this is the proper way to respond, but... I do what I can, and I'm glad to be here! Thanks! JumpingInSlowMotion 09:32, 16 May 2007 (UTC)