User talk:DWBarbour

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 Qcne  (talk)  20:02, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:David Young has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:David Young. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 14:39, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Draft:David Young
If you wish to amend and resubmit your draft, please edit the existing draft article. I have redirected Draft:David Young (Poet) and Draft:== David Young (poet) == to Draft:David Young as that was the one already submitted. Dorsetonian (talk) 19:07, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Please note the above rather than recreate Draft:== David Young (poet) ==! Dorsetonian (talk) 19:28, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: David Young (October 1)
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 Qcne  (talk)  19:28, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: David Young (poet) (November 5)
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 Qcne  (talk)  21:53, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @DWBarbour just realised we already had a discussion about this back in September! Sorry for not remembering.
 * I do think this article may work, it's just the referencing now that is off. We need in-line citations; that is a hard requirement for biographies of living people.
 * If you're having trouble, let me know and I'll try and help.  Qcne  (talk)  21:55, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @DWBarbour I've just had another look and I think you're having real trouble with the referencing, which is where you're stumbling on this draft and the other two drafts on this person.
 * I am going to take some time to try and fix up the referencing for you, if you don't mind? It'll likely be over the course of this week, but I'll let you know when I am done.
 * Again, any questions at all just click Reply here.  Qcne  (talk)  22:01, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for offering to help. I've seen the in-line referencing. Am I correct that I need to provide a clickable link for each of the references included in the piece? If that's the case, I think I can do that. DWBarbour (talk) 22:22, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If you can help me, that would be terrific. Can you let me know what I should do next? Thanks DWBarbour (talk) 22:25, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

David Young draft improvements
Hi @DWBarbour, I thought I'd make a new topic here to discuss my changes to Draft:David_Young_(poet).

Notability
David does merit an article on Wikipedia. His notability is not in doubt as he easily passes our WP:NACADEMIC criteria. The issue is now getting the draft up to scratch so it is ready for publication. I want to help you with that (even if it means doing most of the editing myself!)

Formatting
I have firstly gone through and made some formatting changes: adding bullets throughout, proper headings, and links to existing wikipedia articles.

Citations needed
Now onto the referencing which is going to be the biggest challenge. Firstly, I've added little Citation needed tags throughout the draft where I feel we need a citation that backs up the statement. As I said previously this is a hard requirement for biographies. I have added quite a lot, so it may look a little overwhelming at first - but you can repeat references if a single source can hit multiple statements, and as David is inherently notable we can use primary sources for quite a lot of the statements.

The biggest amount of citation needed tags is the Awards section, which only has a couple of citations. Unfortunately we do need a citation for every award, or you could just remove the awards without citations.

The existing references
For the existing 12 references you have provided, could you please supply me URLs if they are online references, or ISBN numbers if they are books. You can drop them as a reply here, and I can then format them properly onto the draft.

Next Steps
1) If you have any new references for any of the citations needed tags, let me know here by providing a full URL or ISBN number, etc.

2) Get me the full URLs etc and of the existing 12 references.

3) I will create proper in-line citations and add any references to replace any citation needed tags. I'm a little busy this week but will endeavour to drop in in the evenings (UK time) to have a look at this draft and make improvements.

Again, let me know here if you have any questions!  Qcne  (talk)  22:36, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'll have to pull them together and send them ASAP. DWBarbour (talk) 23:00, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * No rush, just ping me here when you have them :)  Qcne  (talk)  23:02, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Actually, they were easier to find than I expected, Here you go. Am available to answer any questions. Thanks
 * 1. https://poets.org/poet/david-young
 * 2. https://www.encyclopedia.com/arts/culture-magazines/young-david-pollock-0
 * 3. https://www2.oberlin.edu/stupub/ocreview/2004/4/23/news/offthecuff.html
 * 4. https://plumepoetry.com/dear-stuart/
 * 5. https://www2.oberlin.edu/ocpress/field.html
 * 6. https://www.gf.org/fellows/david-young/
 * 7. https://ohiocenterforthebook.org/2017/01/17/young-david/
 * 8. https://clevelandartsprize.org/awardees/david_young.html
 * 9. https://www.crazygames.com/game/mahjong-classic
 * 10. http://www.ohioana.org/programs/ohioana-book-awards/past-award-winners/
 * 11.https://www.carleton.edu/alumni/council/awards/recipients-2018/ DWBarbour (talk) 23:26, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks @DWBarbour, sorry for the delay in replying. Been a busy week for me in real life. I will have a look at these this evening for you my time. :)  Qcne  (talk)  14:45, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I am eternally grateful. 173.52.223.33 (talk) 16:14, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I am eternally grateful. 173.52.223.33 (talk) 16:15, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @DWBarbour great, I've added all those citations in properly now - other than #9 where you have copy and pasted Mahjong classic! Would you mind giving me the correct link? :)
 * Now we just need to sort out the citation needed tags. I've gone ahead and done my own research and added a bunch where relevant. The ones missing are a lot of the Awards, the full date of birth, the early education (you can use a primary source for these).
 * I also have a who said tag to what people feel the poetry is: if this is a direct quote from somewhere we just need to link it.  Qcne  (talk)  18:18, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh my God, I'm sorry about that. Here is number 9
 * Bogliasco Arts Prize (June 22, 2023). https://bogliasco25years.weebly.com/fellows.html
 * I'll take a look at the rest. Thanks! DWBarbour (talk) 17:32, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Haha, its no bother. I enjoy Mahjong. Let me know if you can get sources for the rest of the bits, and I can add them if so, and then I think its about ready for publication.  Qcne  (talk)  17:44, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hey there. Sorry for the delayed reply. My life has been way too crazy. I have the additional citations for the David Young entry. Here they are. If you need additional explication, or if they don't work, let me know and I'll look for additional supporting references. Again, thanks so much for your assistance:
 * Young Citations
 * David Pollock Young (born December 14, 1936 https://poets.org/poet/david-young, or https://www.encyclopedia.com/arts/culture-magazines/young-david-pollock-0
 * where he graduated from Central High School in 1954; https://chsfomaha.org/halloffame/david-p-young/:
 * His poetry is generally felt[by whom?] to be deeply grounded in the landscape and weather of the American Midwest[citation needed https://clevelandartsprize.org/awardees/david_young.html
 * FIELD Poetry Series
 * https://www2.oberlin.edu/ocpress/Books/Models.htm
 * 1967-68: National Endowment for the Humanities Junior Fellowship https://poets.org/poet/david-young
 * United States Award of the International Poetry Forum https://poets.org/poet/david-young
 * Ohio Arts Council Award: https://poets.org/poet/david-young
 * The Longman Anthology of Contemporary American Poetry.: https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Longman_Anthology_of_Contemporary_Am.html?id=01tnQgAACAAJ
 * Huntington Library Fellowship, 1981: http://www.davidyoungpoet.com/page7.html
 * Ohioana Poetry Award: https://ohiocenterforthebook.org/2017/01/17/young-david/
 * Ohio Major Artist Award, Ohio Arts Council: https://ohiocenterforthebook.org/2017/01/17/young-david/
 * Ohio State University/The Journal Award in Poetry 1994: https://ohiostatepress.org/books/series/Poetry.html
 * Witter Bynner Translation Fellowship 20020: http://www.davidyoungpoet.com/page7.html, https://bwr.ua.edu/an-interview-with-david-young/
 * Pushcart Prize: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/69055/david-young/, or https://www.purdue.edu/uns/html3month/2006/061027EvansYoung.html DWBarbour (talk) 19:36, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: David Young (poet) has been accepted
 David Young (poet), which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

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Thanks again, and happy editing!  Qcne  (talk)  16:32, 2 December 2023 (UTC)


 * OMG. Thank you. I'm so relieved to have this done. I'll definitely look at the grading system. Best, David DWBarbour (talk) 23:11, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

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Your draft article, Draft:David Young


Hello, DWBarbour. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "David Young".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 20:12, 1 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I was unaware that the listing was there. In any case, the entry was accepted for publication and I don't anticipate working on it further. If I do, I will request the undeletion. 173.52.223.33 (talk) 14:14, 8 April 2024 (UTC)