User talk:Daddy.twins/200801

A tag has been placed on Wilmington Montessori School, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11, as well as the guidelines on spam.

If you can indicate why the subject of this article is not blatant advertising, you may contest the tagging. To do this, please add  on the top of the article and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would help make it encyclopedic, as well as adding any citations from reliable sources to ensure that the article will be verifiable. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 13:24, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Your note
Hi. :) Thanks for your note. I have replied. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:30, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

February 2008
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Wilmington Montessori School
A tag has been placed on Wilmington Montessori School, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11, as well as the guidelines on spam.

If you can indicate why the subject of this article is not blatant advertising, you may contest the tagging. To do this, please add  on the top of the article and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would help make it encyclopedic, as well as adding any citations from reliable sources to ensure that the article will be verifiable. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Corvus cornix talk  22:50, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


 * You should also read Wikipedia's guidelines on conflict of interest.  Corvus cornix  talk  22:52, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

As I said above, you have a conflict of interest in that you are somebody involved with the school, and therefore should not be editing the article, but allow somebody with no interest in the subject to do so. In addition, all logos must have a fair use rationale, specifically pointing to the article name and why the logo is needed. I have also nominated the article for deletion, since there's nothing notable about this school, it's just a run of the mill Montessori school. Corvus cornix talk  23:10, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment: I am not posting any commercial or otherwise commercially promotional material about this school. Although I have worked on the school's website, I am not being remunerated in any fashion for this wikipedia entry.  After reading the COI article, I do not believe that I fall under any of the examples.  Although "Closeness" could possibly apply, I have followed the advice and guidance of another editor and carefully removed any content that could have been deemed as promotional within minutes of her making the suggestion.  My reading of the COI suggests that experts on a subject or people close to a subject are absolutely able to edit articles, if they can retain neutrality and follow the guidance of other editors, which I have.  I have included additional information on the notability of the school on the Articles for deletion/Wilmington Montessori School page.  I disagree with your statements that "Montessori schools are a dime a dozen" and that WMS is "just a run of the mill Montessori school".  I hope that you will read the additional information provided.  Regards. Daddy.twins (talk) 00:33, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:WMSlogo.jpg
Thanks for uploading or contributing to Image:WMSlogo.jpg. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is not a suitable explanation or rationale as to why each specific use in Wikipedia constitutes fair use. Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free media lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Corvus cornix talk  22:50, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I have removed the WMS logo from the page until I understand the proper way to flag, tag or document the school logo, similar to other school logos that I see on the site. Daddy.twins (talk) 00:21, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Wilmington Montessori School
An editor has nominated Wilmington Montessori School, an article on which you have worked or that you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also "What Wikipedia is not").

Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ).

You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate. Thank you. BJBot (talk) 22:59, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Deletion discussion
Hello. This time the deletion nomination is not speedy. There will be a 5-day deletion debate (generally 5 days) at Articles for deletion/Wilmington Montessori School. You should have plenty of time to read over the policies on deletion discussions. There are suggestions here for how to respond. Also helpful should be this essay. Basically, the article is nominated for deletion under the theory that it does not meet the notability guidelines for companies (commercial or otherwise). The best way to address this is with additional sourcing to newspaper articles and such if you can find them. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 23:11, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


 * G'day Daddy.twins, I've decided not to cut and paste the long comments to here. Please do try to keep AfD discussions short as the page that takes the full list the days AfD's can get quite long. Good luck with that AfD. Your best defense is to find published sources to show notability for the school. Then you need to cite them into the article. Here's a list of templates I use WP:CITE. Cheers, Sting au  Buzz Me...   04:07, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry the templates are at WP:CIT that first one I gave you is helpful though. Sting au  Buzz Me...   04:12, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


 * "Sting au, Thank you for the links. I will start populating the page with additional references.  I'll also try to keep the AfD comments as short as possible. Regards.  Daddy.twins (talk) 12:51, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion re AfD
Hi, Daddy.twins. (And, by the way, I have responded to your note at my talk page.) I'd like to suggest that you reword and reduce your latest couple of notes at the AfD to something much more succinct like, "I have added additional sources to the article. For more specifics, see Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Wilmington Montessori School." (Obviously, you would move the full notes to that talk page.) I'm afraid you may be discouraging uninvolved participants from contributing to the conversation with the amount of text you're placing. Just to put it in perspective, there were 153 articles brought up for deletion debate yesterday alone. I'm afraid that many of the contributors to these discussions approach them with a tendency to avoid overly complex discussions. If you'd like, I'd be happy to reorganize your latest comments with an effort to minimizing confusion in that way. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:04, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


 * As always, thanks for the direction. Because of my penchant to spell things out in detail, I once earned the nickname "Mr. Verbose".  I'll try to keep the language down so that others are not discouraged in participating in the discussion.  I have moved the details to the suggested talk page. Daddy.twins (talk) 15:16, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I think verbosity is a trait we share. :D --Moonriddengirl (talk) 20:43, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks, I appreciate your coments, and, indeed, I am trying to insure notability. WP:V and WP:RS need to be adhered to at all times. I really wasn't trying to be obnoxious in any of the comments I made, and I'm sorry if that's the way they come across. Corvus cornix talk  22:10, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar
I had thought to present you this when the AfD was over, regardless of how it closed, but, really, there doesn't seem to be any point in waiting. Whether the article is kept or deleted, you have conducted yourself quite impressively, in my opinion, with laudable dedication to working within a complicated system. So, not to wax over-eloquent, go you. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 03:53, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


 * As the original adder of the speedy-delete tag, I'd like to agree with this,and thank and congratulate you for the way you've worked to improve the article. (And thanks for the message on my talk page.) AndrewWTaylor (talk) 12:19, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! It has been, continues to be, an interesting experience. I think I'll just have to hang out for awhile and see what WP is all about. Thanks for all your help. --Daddy.twins (talk) 20:47, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Wilmington Montessori School
Based on the most recent source you've provided on the AfD, I have changed my mind about the notability of Wilmington Montessori School. Corvus cornix talk  00:13, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for revisiting the article. The editing experience has been both interesting and positive as I've learned the ins and outs of WP policy, guidelines, and etiquette.  I hope to continue in the revising of the article to make it an even stronger example of how a school page can, and should, be written to meet good WP standards.  Thanks again for your assistance! --Daddy.twins (talk) 01:10, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/South Pointe Middle School
Hi, perhaps you would revisit this please? The accepted practice is to merge nn elementary/middle schools into the district (US/Canada) or locality (UK/Australia) which preserves some content in a location where it can be found. This is given in WP:SCL. TerriersFan (talk) 18:46, 7 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for pointing out that practice. --Daddy.twins (talk) 18:51, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

James English School
I think the school page article already makes it clear that school articles which don't establish notability should normally be merged into the appropriate locality article. It only seems to be America and Canada which have school districts and there seem to be a lot of school district articles which is why it's preferable to merge American and Canadian schools with the school district. Feel free to change the page if you want. It is a long way off achieving any sort of consensus. Dahliarose (talk) 20:38, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

WP:SCL
I have now clarified the footnote of Wikipedia:Notability (schools) in the light of the discussion by DT and DR. Please tweak it if it still doesn't quite serve. TerriersFan (talk) 23:27, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

AfD for Wilmington Montessori School
Hi, I still don't think that this article passes WP:N for the reasons I gave in the discussion, and won't be changing my vote. It looks like I'm in the minority on this though, so the article should survive. Congratulations on your work on improving the article while under pressure - even if I don't agree that this is a topic which should be on Wikipedia, you've clearly earned those barnstars! --Nick Dowling (talk) 07:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate your time, even if you hold an opposing view. It was well-spoken counter-arguments like yours, DGG's, and Dhartung's that encouraged me to seek out and understand wikipedia policies and find better sources for my article. I like a good debate and don't always need unaniminity to feel that something worthwhile was accomplished. --Daddy.twins (talk) 12:13, 8 February 2008 (UTC)