User talk:Daemoch

October 2018
Please do not add unreferenced or poorly referenced information, especially if controversial, to articles or any other page on Wikipedia about living (or recently deceased) persons, as you did to Joe Sanfelippo. ''The material you're adding is promotional. You apparently have a WP:COI and should not be editing the article at all. If you persist in adding this kind of material, you risk being blocked.'' Bbb23 (talk) 00:17, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

I've no idea how to respond in this format, so please excuse the platform. I have been referencing my source material as I posted; the original I found did not and yet was allowed to stand. I have cited to the public and government websites that the information was pulled from. The data provided is not controversial and is set as historical fact by public record. The material is not promotional and I have been careful to remain neutral; all statements are complete, factual, accurate, and impartial. It is impossible to have absolutely no COI when referencing a publicly elected official as they hold public positions effecting everyone. As an example, no one in the world would be able to draft information regarding the US president if that were the case, yet we have extensive writing on all of them. Daemoch (talk) 00:46, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Because you are completely new to Wikipedia, you have no idea how articles should look or how to edit them properly. In addition to everything else, your version of the article is an absolute mess (the look of the article). All the material you added about his education, his family, his business, church, etc. is not sourced at all. Much of it is not noteworthy and doesn't belong in the article even if it were sourced, e.g., trivia like his son's dogs. This isn't Facebook. You call him by his first name as if he were a friend. Wikipedia refers to the subjects of articles by their last names. This is an encyclopedia. Whether you think so or not, much of what you added promotes Sanfelippo as this "great guy". I don't think you can edit the article without gaining a lot more experience in Wikipedia. Even if you don't know Sanfelippo personally, it sure sounds like you do.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:55, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply and the explanation. Let me see if I can help explain and we can make adjustments. In an attempt to avoid the potential claim of any bias, I pulled the body of the material from his own website (I cited the source at the end; I can cite several more with identical statements if that will help). The language was his own, not mine, and would be the cause for the familiar tone. I can change it, and remove information, but then it will not be a quote. Would that be acceptable? (I'm actually asking as I don't know.) I can easily change the use to his last name/full name in the rest of the article. To be blunt, I have never met the man or had any correspondence with him. However, he does represent my area and there are a lot of inaccurate or simply false statements on the internet about him which I am trying to fix; Wikipedia is one of them. This confusion is largely caused by the fact that there are 5 people with that name in this are; 2 are politicians, 2 have doctorates, 3 have private businesses, and all 5 are about the same age and white males; incidentally, as far as I know they are all unrelated. This is causing confusion within the voters and I am trying to clear some of it up before the elections on Nov. 6th. Regarding the 'look of the article', there isn't a drop in template to use, walk-through, or guide I could find or I would have leveraged them. If you have an example that you think would be good to emulate, I'd be interested. We all have to start somewhere though, and if not here, then where? Just figuring out how to reply to your edit took me an hour...you're correct, I'm very new. I am open to suggestions, but please do not continue to simply remove content. I've read enough of the rules regarding posts to know that that is not appropriate editorial behavior on Wikipedia, nor is an immediate deletion without legal grounds. Contributor's have to given feedback and time to remedy a complaint.
 * Copying information from Sanfelippo's website is copyright infringement and is strictly prohibited. You're also wrong about how Wikipedia works. I don't need "legal grounds" to remove material from an article. There is no such thing here. We are not a court of law. I have only two more things to tell you before I go off-wiki for the day: first, don't edit the article, and, second, if you wish, you can propose material to be added to the article on the article Talk page. If what you're requesting is not a policy violation and you can gain a WP:CONSENSUS from other editors to add it, that might be okay.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:00, 23 October 2018 (UTC)