User talk:Daemonic Kangaroo/Archive13

Adam Thompson
I didn't mean to assume or imply that you would go out of your way to create articles of that sort just because you could, although having re-read I accept that that's exactly how it reads. The point I was attempting to make was that you are one of many prolific article creators, which is a good thing. But that a by-product of this project having prolific creators is that if the notability bar is perceived to have lowered, it probably would result in a non-trivial number of articles being created on very marginally notable individuals.

Sorry for the confusion. Regards, —WFC— 12:18, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Alfred Brown (footballer born 1900)
I noticed you'd added the footballers to the Alfred Brown disambiguation page, and that Rotherham United were listed as one of the above's clubs, but they aren't listed in Michael Joyce's book. This could be a confusion with Frank Brown, who played for both Rotherham and Blackpool around the same time. -  Dudesleeper  talk  13:10, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Matt Le Tissier stats
Hi, I noticed you filled in his stats table. Awesome! Can I ask where you found the info for the missing details? I found it almost to find a website with them. -- MattM4 >  15:27, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

List of Rochdale A.F.C. players
Yeah I've used that site plenty of times. Doesn't tell you anything about the number of apps in the cup though, which makes it less useful for this particular list. J Mo 101 (talk) 08:12, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Paul Barry
Dear Daemonic Kangaroo,

Could you please undo your recent moving of the Paul Barry (Songwriter) page to Paul Barry (record producer) as this is simply untrue. Paul Barry has himself asked me to set up his wikipedia page and I know first hand that he IS a Songwriter NOT a Record producer.

Many thanksLadyleeloo (talk) 21:48, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

KODA (Denmark)
Hello, you tagged KODA (Denmark) as an orphan. There is nothing much to do about it. I already added some more references and links. Also categories. If you see some other (similar) organizations such as Teosto, there are nothing much to say about it. But I will put more wording. Would you please come and visit the page again?
 * Another thing, when I write KODA or KODA (Denmark) in the search engine of the Wikipedia, it doesn't show anything . How can I solve this issue? Will you please help me. Thanks. Fusion is the future (talk) 09:55, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Regarding Articles for deletion/2010–11 Hyde F.C. season
Hello Daemonic Kangaroo. Of course, how old someone is has nothing to do with the deletion debate. However, I felt it would be worth pointing out, because he probably doesn't know the policies, his user page says he's a Hyde fan, and to delete the article he's been working on for weeks might have a demoralising effect on him, and has the side effect of being BITEY. Nobodies' fault of course and unavoidable, but I felt it worthwhile to point out. Christopher Connor (talk) 22:24, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Dai Davies/Dan Davies
I am trying to put together an article on Dai Davies (footballer born 1880); the Who's Who of Welsh International Soccer Players lists him as "David (Dai) Davies" (1880-1944) and says that he first played Rugby Union for Llanelli before switching to Rugby League with Swinton in 1898 where he won a Rugby League Challenge Cup medal in 1900. In 1902 he switched again, this time to Association Football, joining Bolton Wanderers (as a goalkeeper), appearing in the 1904 FA Cup Final. He also won three caps for Wales.

In 1910, he switched back to Rugby Union with Swinton and, with his brother Dan (also a Swinton player), won an international cap for Wales against England in October 1910. He finished his career with Leigh in 1913.

You created an article on Daniel Davies (rugby league) who I assume is the brother; you also created the article on David Davies (rugby league) who appears to be a different player although he also was with Swinton in 1910.

The List of Wales national rugby league team players include two other Dai Davies, but these both came later, but not this one. Likewise, he is not mentioned at either The Rugby League project database nor at the Wales Rugby League player database.

There are two mentions of him on the web, here and here.

Any help or pointers you can give would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 16:32, 10 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I think you're correct, and that none of the existing rugby player articles of David "Dai" Davies are your man. The Wales Rugby League Player Database sorts the players by appearance date, and it has Dan Davies winning his only cap in 1910, and as you point out Swinton Supporters' Trust, and Dai Davies - All Round Sportsman state that Dai Davies won his cap in 1910, so I think the issue is conflicting references, and only one of the Davies brothers actually won a cap, but which one… Dai or Dan? I have a contact in the 'Wales Rugby League' so I'll email him tomorrow, and I'll also try Ian Jackson at Swinton Lions Supporters' Trust. Cheers. DynamoDegsy (talk) 20:16, 10 October 2010 (UTC)


 * According to Ian Golden at Wales Rugby League, both brothers were in the team in 1910. Dan at number 6 (/), and Dai at number 11 (Left-). Which would mean that David Davies (rugby league) is Dai Davies (footballer born 1880)... the question is, if he was at Bolton Wanderers between 1902 and 1910, how did he manage to win caps for Wales Rugby League while at (the now defunct) Merthyr Tydfil RLFC between 1908 and 1910, as it's 200-miles from Merthyr Tydfil to Bolton? Perhaps he was no longer first-choice 'keeper at Bolton, and was allowed to play rugby league. Also, the Swinton Lions Supporters' Trust states Dai retired age 33, which if born in 1880 would have been 1913, but according to Oldham Rugby League Heritage Trust, he played on until 1921, which would have made him 41, old for a rugby league footballer at any time, but particularly then. However, as 1912/13 is when he supposedly left Swinton for Oldham, perhaps by "retired", the Swinton Lions Supporters' Trust page means "left Swinton". Cheers. DynamoDegsy (talk) 12:58, 11 October 2010 (UTC)


 * According to Ian Jackson at Swinton Lions Supporters' Trust, Swinton had three players of Welsh origin circa-1910 named Davies; Dan, and Dai who were brothers, and 'David B' who wasn't a relation. So, I think the Wales RL website may have merged 'Dai', and 'David B' into one person. This could explain how 'Dai' managed to be a goalkeeper at Bolton Wanderers between 1902 and 1910, while 'David B' managed to win caps for Wales Rugby League while at Merthyr Tydfil RLFC between 1908 and 1910. So I assume that Merthyr Tydfil, Swinton, and Oldham is 'David B', and the Llanelli RU, Swinton, Bolton Wanderers, and Swinton is 'Dai'. I've asked Ian Jackson whether both 'Dai' and 'David B' won caps for Wales while at Swinton, so I'll get back to you when I know more. Cheers. DynamoDegsy (talk) 12:51, 15 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the very helpful replies, although I am still rather confused. This article, from the Swinton supporters website, gives a biography which only refers to his cap against England on 10th December 1910, whilst the other article states "In 1910, he made his Wales RL debut against England at Coventry". This is not consistent with the David Davies (rugby league) article which gives a Wales career from 1908 to 1913, which period covers his time at both Merthyr Tydfil and Oldham. Very curious.  Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 18:58, 12 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the latest message - I await the next one which will hopefullly make everyting clear. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 12:58, 15 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi - sorry to bother you again, but were you able to find out any more? Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 12:43, 20 November 2010 (UTC)


 * The Wales Rugby League Player Database still shows only one David/Dai around this time, so I believe 'walesrugbyleague' have merged them together. The other references have Dai winning just the 1-cap in 1910, so assuming he didn't win more than 1-cap, then David B. must have won only 8-caps not the 9-caps stated, and although it appears the brothers Dai and Dan both played that day, I don't know whther David B. played that day as well. I hope I haven't stolen your thunder, but I was at a loose-end this morning, so I've actually created Dai Davies (footballer born 1880). I hope you feel I've done Dai justice. Cheers. DynamoDegsy (talk) 13:54, 22 November 2010 (UTC)


 * This is exciting, no article I've been involved with has ever been put up for DYK before. In respect of the List of players who have converted from one football code to another, I guess Dai will be in three sections; Rugby Union → Rugby League, Rugby League → Association Football, and Association Football → Rugby League. However, Dai isn't the only person to play international rugby and international soccer; in the 1870s Henry Renny-Tailyour played for Scotland (RU) and Scotland (soccer), in the 1880s…1900s John Willie Sutcliffe played for England (RU) and England (soccer), in the 1930s/40s Kevin O'Flanagan, and his brother Mick O'Flanagan played for Ireland (soccer) and Ireland (RU), and in the 1990s/2000s Melissa Ruscoe played for New Zealand (soccer), and New Zealand (RU), but it appears Dai is the only person to have played international rugby league and international soccer, and the only Welshman international rugby (any code) and soccer, but this is only based on the information from the List of players who have converted from one football code to another article. Apologies for the occasional use of the word "soccer", it's shorter than Association Football, less ambiguous than football, and I don't mind it, as it's olde English. Cheers. DynamoDegsy (talk) 17:54, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

And with John Willie Sutcliffe leaving Bolton Wanderers in 1902, and Dai Davies arriving in 1902, Davies effectively replaced Sutcliffe as goalkeeper, quite a coincidence. Cheers. DynamoDegsy (talk) 21:37, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Infobox
I know there are no hard and fast rules as to how to draw up an infobox, but I'm unsure why you're insisting on making edits which make no intrinsic change to the article and make the infobox less easy rather than more easy to use, as per your edits on Lee Holmes. Brad78 (talk) 18:26, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * That's fair enough. Though I still don't know why you had to change the whole format of the infobox to update one statistic. Brad78 (talk) 18:29, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * As I said there are no hard and fast rules as how to draw up an infobox. But the format before your edit was for the data all on one line rather than the format you changed it to afterwards. Brad78 (talk) 18:39, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

WP:Civility
It's quite possible to make an argument for deletion without insulting an article subject by calling him a "complete non-entity". Please keep your comments civil. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:45, 12 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't think that the New York Times publishes profiles on "non-entities". You may not be familiar with major US broadcast outlets like NPR and Nightline, but they also do not interview non-entities. Cullen328 (talk) 08:04, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi!!!
WHAT SHOULD I DO???!!! PIandPIECenter (talk) 20:54, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Appraisal bumping
Hello Daemonic Kangaroo, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Appraisal bumping, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: There is sufficient context to identify the subject of the article. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:28, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * If you feel the concept is not notable, PROD the article or nominate for deletion at WP:AFD. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:28, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Kalėdų Senelis
Hello Daemonic Kangaroo. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Kalėdų Senelis, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: A2 requires the content to exist on another Wikimedia project. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 02:39, 15 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your message. When I looked for the article in other languages, I couldn't find it. I'm not sure why that is, because Google found the English Wikipedia article. Anyway, it looks like somebody else has deleted it. Thanks again. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:21, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion converted to PROD: Juggernaut (Warcraft II)
Hello Daemonic Kangaroo. I am just letting you know that I have converted the speedy deletion tag that you placed on Juggernaut (Warcraft II) to a proposed deletion tag, because I do not believe CSD applies to the page in question. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:14, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Salvatore Falco
Hello Daemonic Kangaroo. I've removed the speedy tag from this article. According to the article Falco won a national journalism prize, which is a clear assertion of notability. Moreover, the fact was referenced. Please, review the criteria for speedy deletion before tagging more articles. Thank you. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 07:25, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. I'm not sure as well whether he passes the notability test, and AfD could be a possibility to find out more. However, the db-a7 nomination was inappropriate. Best regards. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 11:22, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Notrino
Just so you know, CSD#G1 does not apply to pages like that. It only applies to patent nonsense, e.g. eghhelwhgfnkthrgsdk. Articles like that, while clear hoaxes, are comprehensible, and thus, not speediable. Thanks for your CSD work! ( X! ·  talk )  · @730  · 16:30, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, that was not a hoax: it was copied from no less a source than The Economist, via http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-12871435.html. I have deleted it as a copyvio, but I should like to read the rest! JohnCD (talk) 18:45, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Bloody hell that was quick!
On George Alfred Spencer Thanks, it needs plenty of work, finding unbiased sources is not easy Bevo74 (talk) 16:13, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Smile!
 Hello Daemonic Kangaroo, Special Cases has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message. (talk page stalker and another saints fan) Special Cases Spit out your comments 17:08, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Keith Lindsey/Jack Bowers
Geoff was correct in the family connection to Jack Bowers. However the problem in providing the facts to prove this link is difficult in so much as Mrs Lindsey is still living, I was in the middle of providing a link to her family tree and possibly BMD references, sorry I am slow as am I am not fully aufait with wiki and html editing so takes me a while to make sure things are correct. But you hastily edited the article which I was still working on. MBorrill (talk) 07:23, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I am not as regular contributor to wiki so it takes me time to 'work out' how to do things Geoff and I are both keen family historians and distant cousins of Jack and 1st cousins to the Lindsey's so we know the family connection, harder though to provide the facts! MBorrill (talk) 07:36, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

My sister's article
She was the one who made the stub, "Faun and Dag". We did not know how to save the page without uploading it, so I added the words, "under construction" for clarification. In fact, she's adding to the article right now (She doesn't know I'm on). Kelismyhero (talk) 19:33, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Hello Mr. Kangaroo
We made an article about the pozol and you recently modified it. So we would like to know if you can help us checking our grammar because we are from Mexico and we are working on this article for our English class. Thank you and regards

Goochinaski (talk) 19:17, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Ok thank you so much it would be really helpful for our grade. And yes! come to Mexico, it's really beautiful and food is awesome haha. Oh and the difference between pozol and pozole is that pozol is a beverage made of cocoa and dough and pozole is a soup made with a kind of corn named cacahuazintle. You can add chicken or cow head to the pozole. It may sound horrible but it actually tastes really good :) Goochinaski (talk) 00:33, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Pozole/Pozol
They are the same, simply a different transliteration from the original Nahuatl word. Since this is a "student created" article, let me leave a message for their teacher, Thelmadatter and let her know. The articles should be merged into Pozole, as the Pozol article contains potentially good information, if it can be sourced. -- nsaum75 ¡שיחת! &lrm; 04:58, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I stand corrected, they are different. Its similar to Tejate, which is what Pozol is called in the part of Mexico in which I live.  -- nsaum75 ¡שיחת! &lrm; 14:37, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Harry Howell (cricketer)
Hi DK, I was wondering if you had any references confirming the years he was with Southampton, or any other stats. Thanks.

PS - I've made 3 separate requests to admins about moving the page history at the Wales international list, but no joy. Eldumpo (talk) 12:50, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Writtle Bowling Club
Hi there! There are other lawn bowling clubs on Wikipedia so I am unsure why this article should be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Turgis87 (talk • contribs) 18:22, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Speedy declined
I've rejected the speedy deletion of Douglas (locomotive) - see my comments on that article's talk page. If you spotted something I didn't let me know. —  Tivedshambo   (t/c) 22:04, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I beg your pardon, I'd been looking at Corensearchbot's report and hadn't spotted you'd listed another website. I'll re-write it as a stub. —  Tivedshambo   (t/c) 22:10, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I declined it on Kritter as none of the criteria tagged qualifies, it isn't a web game....I suggest AfD or Prod. C T J F 8 3  chat 22:15, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Altered speedy deletion rationale: Champions of Sarainthia
Hello Daemonic Kangaroo. I am just letting you know that I deleted Champions of Sarainthia, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, under a different criterion from the one you provided, which doesn't fit the page in question. Thank you. Ged UK  15:18, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Ian Branfoot
Hi DK, when I read your message it made me half-think we've had a discussion on Branfoot before? I don't doubt that he was/is disliked and I could've tried to source some quotes etc but thought the comments probably ought to be reverted. To be honest I can't remember offhand why I've ended up watching the page, and if someone like yourself is already watching it, perhaps there is no need for me to also do so. Regards. Eldumpo (talk) 19:20, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Индезит
I see that you tagged Индезит for speedy deletion as a copy of the Russian Wikipedia article Indesit. Did you actually look at that Russian article? It does not even roughly resemble the article on English Wikipedia. In fact the latter is not even in Russian, it is Bulgarian. You may like to PROD the article if you want it deleted, but it does not satisfy the specified speedy deletion criterion. JamesBWatson (talk) 14:18, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * After I wrote the above message I found that we already have an English Wikipedia article at Indesit, so I have deleted the Bulgarian one under speedy deletion criterion A10 (recently created article that duplicates an existing topic). However, it is important to get the right CSD, or an article may not be deleted even if it should. JamesBWatson (talk) 14:23, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Lack of references in John Loring article
There are several citations listed under External Links in John Loring -- I'll be reformatting it to add them as inline references as appropriate. --Jamiew (talk) 16:09, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The reflist was added by another user & I cleaned the article up. Let me know if this doesn't meet your standards. --Jamiew (talk) 23:29, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Curtis M. Loftis, Jr.
Thank-you for your quick reply to my article. Even after reading the "beginners' pages" I have found this all a tad daunting. I did use URLs as references as I drafted the article, but could get no comment on it. Any additional help would be appreciated. I will re-read the beginners' section as soon as I post this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dunceton (talk • contribs) 19:41, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Again, I am grateful for your help. I added thirteen references and edited article and continue to work on it, however, the original remains up. Believe new version is accessed under mu contributions of 6 November. If you have time, please comment. BestDunceton (talk) 01:27, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank-you for the assistance. I read your input and it helped enormously by focusing and clarifying. I will now attempt another South Carolina political personality article, perhaps joining the SC project. BestDunceton (talk) 14:00, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Helpful Brit. Still in daunting mode. Before submitting bio of another South Carolina politician, thought I would check this one and made small correction to spelling error in ref list. Was terrified by result. Might you check on it for me? Best, Dunceton (talk) 20:38, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for the touches. I have another article cooking. Hopefully, it will work more smoothly. BestDunceton (talk) 04:13, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi sir
Thanks a lot for quick action on removing deletion.... hope you like my works and help checking my mistakes..86.51.224.122 Halil marx07 (talk) 20:23, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Kori Davis
Hi - you reverted a PROD removal using Twinkle rollback which gives an edit summary indicating the previous edit to be vandalism. PROD removal is not generally vandalism as anyone including the author has the right to delete a PROD tag (per WP:CONTESTED) and a PROD tag may not be replaced. Using TW in this instance could be considered a little BITEY to a relative newcomer. The article must now follow the AfD path and is listed under Articles for deletion/Kori Davis.-- Club Oranje T 06:18, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * ps. Must say you are doing a stirling job on expanding List of first association football internationals per country-- Club Oranje T 06:45, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Xavier Autrey
Hello Sir or Madam. regarding Xavier Autrey I have attempted to use the citation and reference templates but the "book" template seems to have some hyperlink issues which despite my trying till displays the entire URL of the book at Google books. I am loathe to remove the deletion template warning tag (and actually don't know HOW just yet) until I receive approval that the subject is actually worthy of an article. I would have thought that being the former Vice President of the Mexican Stock Exchange would qualify him but it seems there are rules here I have not yet managed to grasp. Thank you for your guidance.Lucyconlon (talk) 15:29, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Lee Molyneux
I'm not entirely sure what happened from looking at the page history, but I sorted it now.--EchetusXe 14:22, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I understand now. Two slightly different IP editors.--EchetusXe 14:23, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Maciejka
Complete fantasy, in my opinion. Certainly never played for the first team, no mention of him on club site in reserve reports from 2007. Those Birmingham Mail forum posts are clearly written by the same person, and neither username has posted on any other topic. The first posting on this page is nonsense, there was no such game. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 09:41, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Mixing Palestine with The Fake State
Palestine is Palestine not the terrorist country Israel, but Israel is not a sovereign country. Samah10 (talk) 17:29, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Jim Steele
User:Mnbvcxmnbvcx has copy-pasted the content of the original Jim Steele article to a new page at Jim Steele (footballer), turning the origianl into a re-direct. As a result, the article's edit history has now become separated from the article. Can this be fixed? At the same time, can someone inform this new user where he's gone astray. Thanks. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 16:56, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * He also did the same with Jimmy Steele and Jimmy Steele (republican).   Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 17:04, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for noticing! I have fixed the page histories and am leaving a note on his talk page right now. — GorillaWarfare talk 17:26, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * By the way, his account was created yesterday. Explains why he's been copy-paste moving and not just moving the pages. — GorillaWarfare talk 17:30, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Dai Davies (footballer born 1880)
Gatoclass (talk) 18:03, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Arthur Lea
The DYK project (nominate) 18:03, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Jeremiah Dummer (silversmith)
Materialscientist (talk) 00:03, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Shubael Dummer
Materialscientist (talk) 12:05, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Richard Cockle Lucas
Hello! Your submission of Richard Cockle Lucas at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! -- Redtigerxyz Talk 05:45, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I leave the matter for the review of other more experienced reviewers. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 05:26, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * May be a hook about the wax model of Elgin Marbles would be interesting..... -- Redtigerxyz Talk 05:59, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * has some nice self-photographs. Choose some and add to the article and may be also as pictured in DYK. I verified ALT2 you suggested. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 18:18, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Tommy Jones (footballer)
Hi, are you able to confirm from your book sources whether this player did later manage Workington. His wiki article says he did but that fact is not sourced. This source indicates that a Welsh intl' called Tommy Jones managed Workington but Tom/Tommy etc can be called differently so on its own its not a source to confirm which one of the 4 Welsh intl's it is. Thanks. Eldumpo (talk) 19:00, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the additional info, and for changing the article name which was also on my list. I have added text/ref saying he was Workington caretaker and have added the Workington template to his article. Eldumpo (talk) 15:41, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Richard Cockle Lucas
Materialscientist (talk) 00:02, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Indonesia's first game
Hi, could you please explain why you said the match between Dutch East Indies and Singapore in 1921 is not an official match? If it is because of the explanation in RSSF, that the PSSI does not recognize any of the NIVB/NIVU matches, then the game against Japan in 1934 would be an unofficial match too? Thank you.

Dre.comandante (talk) 17:32, 20 December 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, so you said it is unofficial based on http://eloratings.net/Indonesia.htm, but can we really rely on eloratings.net? I mean, it was 1921 and it was only a friendly game, eloratings.net probably don't have the data about the game. And, i checked some of the Indonesian matches at eloratings.net the other day and found out somewhere in early 2000s they included a match against U-23 teams, so some of the datas might be inaccurate. Also, the source for the DEI vs Singapore match written in RSSSF here is "(FIF 31) FIFA, World Football Almanac, 1931 (reprint 2005)." So if it is released by FIFA, don't you think it's official? It doesn't matter if PSSI recognize the match or not, it's FIFA who decide which match is a FIFA official match.


 * Dre.comandante (talk) 12:44, 21 December 2010 (UTC)


 * If it is also included in Singapore's and Australia's RSSSF page, will it make it an official match? Because Indonesia's RSSSF page was just updated on December 2, 2010 as it says on the bottom of the page (see before the update). Maybe they haven't updated all the others. About the "FIFA who decide which match is a FIFA official match" i was talking about FIFA-recognized matches.


 * Dre.comandante (talk) 13:12, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Skeat/Edwards
Hi there

Fair play if Skeat is indeed notable, however the guestbook of some dude's personal website clearly isn't a reliable source, so you'd need something else to cite the fact that Skeat designed that window. I've added the link to the photo back in as an external links. There's already a reliable source on that sentence supporting the existence of the window so I don't think it's needed there as an actual source, hope that makes sense...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:53, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Cool. Heaven only knows which of those accursed citation templates would be suitable for that source :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:01, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorted. -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:08, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Francis Skeat
Dravecky (talk) 18:03, 26 December 2010 (UTC)