User talk:Daemonic Kangaroo/Archive17

Peer review
Hi DK. I'm just  letting  you  know that  I  have submitted List of Old Malvernians for peer review as a first  step  to  possible Featured List. Regards, --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:24, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Micky Adams
You appear to be a significant contributor to this article. Well done.  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  08:09, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of William Bailey (footballer)
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Speedy deletion nomination of Thomas N. Carter
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Speedy deletion nomination of J.C. Smith
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Billy Balmer
Hmm, odd - especially seeing as both englandstats.com and evertonfc.com confirm 1877. I say we should enquire over at WT:FOOTY. GiantSnowman 20:03, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK review
Hello! Your submission of Robert Smith (footballer born 1843) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneathyour nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Warofdreams talk12:01, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

José Fonte
Hi there KANGAROO, VASCO here,

indeed, my manners in the edit summary left something to be desired, but the WP:FOOTY "committee" decided long ago that we're not counting runner-up finishes in leagues man, only in cups (and for national teams, the FIFA World Cup and the FIFA Confederations Cup -runner-up and third-places as well).

Attentively, happy week - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 16:48, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry my friend, did not know runner-up medals were awarded in the Football League One and akin, i stand corrected, sorry for any incovenience. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 22:18, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Charles William Miller
Well spotted. I've found the real Miller |on CricketArchive. He played no notable cricket, so I'll remove all references to it. Odd the book reference refers to him playing first-class cricket! But anyhow, good spot. AssociateAffiliate (talk) 16:17, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Odd that link won't work. CW Miller brings him up on CricketArchive incase you were interested.AssociateAffiliate (talk) 16:20, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * And a C Miller here which is possibly what the book reference might be alluding to. AssociateAffiliate (talk) 16:25, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * One less discrepancy on here now ;) AssociateAffiliate (talk) 17:36, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Robert Smith (footballer born 1843)
The DYK project (nominate) 12:02, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for James Smith (footballer born 1848)
The DYK project (nominate) 12:02, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

John Price (footballer)
I'm posting this message on your talk page because I noticed that you've recently created the new article John Price (footballer)--You did an excellent job with including references and citations.However, I think the article seems to contain a few errors: some of the article'sWikilinks are broken. Jipinghe (talk) 21:43, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

South Coast derby
Can you reference your version of the origins of the term scummer, as I'm unable to find any. The reference that is provided for skate though has Nick Illingworth from the Southampton supporters confirming the story is that the strike was in Portsmouth and broken by Souhampton workers. This is widely attested in web sources and the only common version. Nuttah (talk) 05:51, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Roy John
Hi, have you got a source for his career dates at Swansea, although the same applies to his other clubs as well. Thanks.Eldumpo (talk) 20:16, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, good stuff. That last reference is an interesting one, have to remember that. Eldumpo (talk) 07:04, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Sid Scholey
Hello, though I'm not sure I can help. The piece on the Walsall site tells me more about his Blues career than my books do: their only mention being his name in an alphabetical list of coaches/trainers/physios/general backroom staff... I'm interested now though: if he wascaretaker manager, particularly if "during the 1927/28 campaign" implies during the playing season as opposed to the close season, then he belongs in the BCFC managers list. If I can find time for a quick library visit when I'm up in Birmingham for next Thursday's game, I'll see if the newspaper archives have anything to say on the subject. Thanks for asking. cheers,Struway2 (talk) 12:28, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I did find an hour, but it was pretty inconclusive. The Sports Argus for the relevant time was unavailable, so I tried likely weeks/months in the general papers. Should explain that the archives are just unindexed microfilm and the microfilm readers are manually operated, i.e. wind the handle round and round and hope the print's clear enough to spot something relevant as it goes past... Tried from whenBilly Beer resigned as manager, in March 1927, but couldn't find any mention of either Scholey or Bill Harvey, who supposedly succeeded him. Newspapers in those days didn't really write about managers, in my experience. In the Sunday Mercury preview of the 1927/28 season, there was a team photo where the only men in suits were Scholey (trainer) and Bill Kendrick (asst trainer), and the article said how the players had been training all August "under the care of Mr Syd Scholey". But that was it before running out of time.


 * Came across a piece by Alec Leslie which said among other things that his real first name was Alfred, and it was only at Blues that he was called Alec; which is interesting because his WP article says his full name is Alexander James... cheers, Struway2(talk) 17:39, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Removing links
Hello mate, was wondering why you keep removing my external links for Saints players? They are completely relevant, and contain a lot of information not included in the Wikipedia bios. I can't see the harm in them being included? Many other players have profiles from other unofficial sites. I've had quite a lot of feedback for fans of my website, who have had great things to say about my profiles after finding them through this site. Just trying to spread the word and get as many extra readers as possible, so come on help a fellow Saints fan out? Absolutely no harm in leaving the links in surely? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SamDobson (talk • contribs) 11:02, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of 2011–12 Hannover 96 Season


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 * Duplicate of 2011–12 Hannover 96 season article.

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The article still needs to be deleted. Not even a redirect has any value here. I have created the only redirect that has any value to the first article created. Kingjeff (talk) 00:28, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Mason Bennett
Materialscientist (talk) 12:37, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Tommy Ball
I've left a question about sources for you. BencherliteTalk 08:25, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Charlie Parry
Materialscientist (talk) 00:02, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Alexander Jones (footballer)
Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Tony Millington
Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:04, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

List of Swansea City A.F.C. players
Hi DK, I note you've done some good work on improving this article, but I've got a few questions/suggestions:
 * The apps and goals are referenced to the Neil Brown site which is for League stats only, yet the text refers to other competitions?
 * I like the addition of internationals who were capped whilst at the club, but I would delete the flag entries for the other players, as in many cases their 'nationality' may not be confirmed/sourced, and note from recent thread at Footy that this is an often-raised point.
 * I note the text says it is a complete list of 100+ players from 1946 onwards (linking with the Neil Brown source), but it may be better to add some text indicating that the aim is for the article to list all 100+ players (and other notable players), rather than only post-war players. Regards. Eldumpo (talk) 18:53, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for coming back, I will aim to make some of the changes. Eldumpo (talk) 19:49, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

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Re: William Williams
Blackpool career:

1925 to 1927; 26 League appearances, 13 goals; 1 FA Cup appearance, 0 goals


 * 1924–25: 1/0, debut in a 1-0 home defeat to Stockport County on 21/3/25
 * 1925–26: 20/10 (including a hat-trick against Barnsley on 13/2/26); FA Cup appearance, Blackpool exiting at Third Round stage at home to Swansea
 * 1926–27: No appearances
 * 1927–28: 5/3; final appearance in a 3-1 defeat at Notts County on 15/10/27

Bad luck for Saturday! -  Dudesleeper  talk  22:26, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Steve Kean
I have amended the statistics table in this article to include all first-team matches played by Blackburn Rovers during Kean's time as manager to tie up to the Soccerbase table used as a reference. As far as I can see, all other Premier League managers' articles include the full statistics as per Soccerbase. Your approach is counter to the agreed consensus and constitutes original research. Before deciding whether or not to revert my edit, please contribute to the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football. Cheers. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 07:08, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Your latest edit summary shows your intention is clearly to put Kean in a bad light. Perhaps you should read WP:point. Consequently, I have deleted the second table. If you feel strongly enough that your view is relevant, perhaps you could enter into a discussion. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 15:56, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Absolute rubbish! If i had placed it on Wikipedia to reflect him in a bad light. I would have done so unprofessionally. I am not like that. I have been editing Rovers page and the clubs players and staff's pages for over a decade now! I can understand your logic for adding cup games into his stats. But Kean is currently 'statistically' Blackburn Rovers worst Premier League manager 'ever'. This is a fact that will be reflected in future articles. I also know dozens of Blackburn Rovers fans who come onto Wikipedia to reference this factual information. Having a table which only includes Premier League results is a logical and much needed element. Having results included in only one visable table distorts the record of a football manager. Ie, wins against lower league teams. As i have said before, i don't mind having a table including all results. But a Premier League table is needed. QUESTION: if i was trying to reflect Kean in a bad light for alterior motives, don't you think i would have deleted the table that included cup results too? Be reasonable. I have.RoverTheBendInSussex (talk) 16:15, 11 December 2011 (GMT)
 * RTBIS refuses to listen and revert edits, what should be our next move? GiantSnowman16:49, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Currently it's just me, you, and Mattythewhite against him - is that enough to establish 'consensus'? I doubt it...GiantSnowman 17:01, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I advise we try and keep the discussion in one place - Talk:Steve Kean is the best place ideally. Cheers,GiantSnowman 21:08, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Sam Gillam
Hello! Your submission of Sam Gillam at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!  Arctic   Night  14:15, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Declined speedy deletion
I have declined the speedy deletion tag you placed on "isms" in the UK civil service. I don't see any "attacking" going on in that article. WP:CSD is generally reserved for situations where someone creates a page that says "Person so-and-so is a complete jerk, who eats babies for breakfast and sleeps with goats." A more generalized criticism of the UK civil service is certainly OR and POV (which is why I started an AfD at Articles for deletion/"isms" in the UK civil service at which you are welcome to comment), but I don't think qualifies as an attack page. Qwyrxian (talk) 08:00, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Saints query
Hi DK

Quick question - do any of your sources list a player with the surname Withers playing for Southampton back in the Southern League days........?

Cheers, ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:03, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. Basically, someone at work says her grandfather played for the Saints back in the day but doesn't know any more than that.  I'll see if that was indeed his name.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:08, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * That would appear to him, and I think you've quite made her day :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:13, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
 * And to you, good sir :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:38, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Test edit?
What's wrong with my edits to Template:Nft? What I did was that I prevented the occurrence of the numerous redirects generated by many of the possible values of the parametre, and so  links to Zambia national football team, which is the actual name of the article, and which  (that is, Northern Rhodesia) links to as well. I know about the objection that there's nothing wrong with redirects, but then some links like United States national football team andCanada national football team do lead to the wrong place. So if it's especially unsuitable for the template itself to incorporate all that wikicode, I could do something like what's been done with nfa (main template) and nfa/code (its lengthy code). Would that be fine? --Theurgist (talk) 17:33, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Harry Hems
Thanks for the DYK on Harry Hems. Shame it was marred by another editor's late amendment - which was both inaccurate and spoiled the enigma. Adding Personality as a header is a great improvement too, I have more I can add under that. Why did you change the reflist from |40em to |2, though? Is it personal preference, or do you know something I don't? Thanks again —S MALL  JIM   11:34, 23 December 2011 (UTC) (Please reply here, I'm watching)
 * The only reason I changed from to  was  because the picture prevented the references showing in two columns. As you say, the late amendment to the DYK was rather a shame.  Best wishes.   --  Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 12:27, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, OK. That's generally seen as the benefit of using ems - if your screen had been wider it would have still been in 2 cols. Looks like I'll have to add a bit more text to ensure the photo doesn't intrude :) —S MALL  JIM   13:14, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Sam Gillam
The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Alf Pugh
The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

D. J. Dodd
I was about to delete this article, but it turns out that the guy really did win an Emmy, so I didn't. See for details. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 08:09, 31 December 2011 (UTC)