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Changes to Key Stage 3
Hello Dahliarose - I thought I'd explain why I had reverted some of the changes you have recently made to the Key Stage 3 entry on Wikipedia. Firstly, while you are right, the terminology 'High School' is not common in the UK, they do exist, and in many cases - like Middle Schools - include part or all of Key Stage 3. For example, in Leicestershire, many of their High Schools take pupils from Year 6 to Year 9. Secondly, ICT is actually entitled information and communication technology according to the National Curriculum (not communications). Hope that all makes sense - keep editing :o) Tafkam 21:29, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comments on my page. I have considered adding a comment to the High School page, and then withheld, on the premise that the term as it used in the UK is so confusing. In some places, like Leicestershire, it does cover KS2 and KS3 - normally years 6-9 or similar. In my own LEA in West Sussex, it normally refers to a secondary school that doesn't have Year 7 - because they are still in Middle Schools! To make matters more confusing, some of our High Schools are former 12-16/12-18 schools which have since re-organised, become normal secondaries but retained their name! The same sort of chaos occurs nationwide. IN fact, you could probably write a whole article on the use in the UK - it's just it would only be of interest to a small handful of people! Not sure it's worth it. Tafkam 18:54, 12 December 2006 (UTC)


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OFSTED reports and notability
The word "notability" literally means "worthy of being written about". If a school is worthy of being written about in OFSTED reports, which are reliable secondary sources, then that counts towards notability. The way that notability is used at Wikipedia (see WP:N) is as a gauge of whether sufficient sources exist for an article; there is no requirement whatsoever that a topic has to be in any way special, unique, etc. in order for it to be notable. Cheers, JYolkowski // talk 23:59, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Just FYI, you might find those more amenable to your position at WP:SCHOOLS3. Most of the people who support WP:SCHOOLS take a view of "notability" similar to the one above.  JYolkowski // talk 15:34, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

St Crispin's School
Hello, I missed the grade II designation, template replaced. Thanks —Dogears 23:19, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

The spelling of roll is not what's used in this article.roll as in food or rolling down hill is not whats being said,rather like a role in a play or role model. So role is the correct spelling.  Planetary Chaos  Talk to me  22:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Never mind!  Planetary Chaos  Talk to me  22:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Dahliarose, my name is Thomas (thomas2503). Sorry if it seemed like I was vandalising the St Crispins School page in January, but I was just removing abuse that had been aimed at the headteacher, because I am a student there and I knew that a teacher was giving an assembly on the school wikipedia page the next day, and I didn't want to see such awful things said about the headteacher shown to the whole school. I haven't got the hang of editing 100% yet, so what I had removed was put in the title in the history. Sorry, just had to clear that up. Thanks.

School guidelines
Hi.

I read you comments to my suggestion and agree with your concerns right down the line. Please read my response at the talk page. Like everything in life there is a compromise, mine was to lean toward brevity, as I believe that people are more likely to read a short set of instructions. But as you point out international clarity is key. I'm not wed to the specific wording, so a better soulution to combination and brevity will have my support.

Sincerely,

Kevin --Kevin Murray 17:40, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Schools
Hi, PNC = primary notability criterion. --Kevin Murray 14:10, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Specialist school categories
Dahliarose, I have proposed that categories Humanities colleges in England and Maths and computing colleges in England be renamed to Humanities Colleges in England and Mathematics & Computing Colleges in England respectively. I have suggested this so that they are consistent with the other categories within Category:Specialist schools in England, and with the format used by the Department for Education and Skills (DfES) at their Standards website. The other England specialism categories superseded, or are superseding, categories for Buckinghamshire schools, which also followed the suggested format. It is also consistent with the specialism pages, e.g. Mathematics and Computing College. Hopefully, as the creator of these categories, you will agree with this proposal, but of course you can register your opinion at Categories for discussion. ~ Scribble Monkey 17:02, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm glad that you're happy with that. I take your point about the ampersand, though I felt that anything that reduced the name by a couple of characters was probably a good thing. The Buckinghamshire categories are being slowly deleted; in fact it looks like another few just went and we're now down to Sports Colleges and Science Colleges. ~ Scribble Monkey 17:35, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The Buckinghamshire categories have all gone and their contents have all been placed within England categories. ~ Scribble Monkey 01:58, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The DfES Standards website has lists by specialism and LEA, so it would be quite easy to put together lists in Wikipedia. ~ Scribble Monkey 09:35, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about starting something off and doing it in the wrong way, be bold. Try it by county and we'll see if it works. London might have to be done slightly differently, but that would be ok. ~ Scribble Monkey 12:49, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: School assessments
Understood...I was operating the other way around. That being that the importance ratings are the ones that matter and the quality rating is relative within the project. Based on your description there, I have no problem going ahead and cranking up the importance on Reading to high. PhoenixTwo 15:55, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Well there's no rush really, I'm considering downgrading some of the recent assessments with the notion that they need to have something else making them important, other than the age. PhoenixTwo 16:11, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Aquinas College, Perth
Hi Dahliarose. I wonder why you said that the article had not been through the GA process? It looks like it was nominated by User:Smbarnzy and reviewed and promoted by User:Phoenix2 I'm just curious as to what was missing? &mdash;Moondyne 01:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey, i found the same thing, i have reverted your changes, and if you look at Archive 3 on the talk page you will see User:Phoenix2's assesment etc. SMBarnZy 11:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


 * It is a mess. This article has a long history of misguided editors promoting it and being reverted. In this case though, I think it may be OK however.  As you said, User:Thewinchester did post a reversion back from GA back to B, but 2 minutes later reverted his own edit after apparently reconsidering.  I'm guessing that he/she may have based his first edit on the past history of bad faith edits there.  I am fairly certain it was an honest mistake though.


 * As best I can tell, User:Phoenix2 has done a good faith promotion to GA, here and here I'm not aware that Phoenix2 has ever edited the article previously.  I was not aware that an article under two different projects needed to be assessed separately. Are you sure?  &mdash;Moondyne 12:10, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks. &mdash;Moondyne 12:28, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Re your notes on my talk page. I'm not the best person to ask that question of, so i'd strongly suggest that you drop some comments including your suspicions on ratings on the matter into the WikiProject Perth talk page. There's a number of senior users on that project who are aware of the two possible persons you're referring to, and needless to say there were a few editors including myself who spent the better part of a weekend cleaning up some of their messes. thewinchester 12:58, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


 * And just to be crystal clear, User:Thewinchester was NOT one of the problematic editors. After re-reading my posts above I would hate for that assumption to be made.  The two editors that are being watched are user:Smbarnzy and User:Auroranorth.  Also, the discussion page that I think he meant to point you to was Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Western Australia (not the Perth one). &mdash;Moondyne 00:34, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Can't really blame you for the confusion - the talk page definitely left the impression that the same was still true only days after the fact. It appears also that User:DanielT5 reverted it to B in early March, and got the editors to send it to GAC, where it was then passed. (Personally, I wouldn't have in its present state, but that's just me.) Orderinchaos78 14:10, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * (Me either, but I didn't want to be the first one to say that!) &mdash;Moondyne 14:36, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I think we're pretty much all on the same page with that article and its offshoots. It *can* be made a good article but needs a lot of work (the phrase "work smarter not harder" comes to mind) Orderinchaos78 22:35, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Cruwys Morchard
Hello, Dahliarose. I notice you did a lot of work creating the Cruwys Morchard article last October, and finished up with a really nice little article. I've put a couple of photos onto there, then I found a whole lot of other historical stuff which I've squeezed in. Hope you don't feel that I've spoiled the article! --Euchiasmus 20:25, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for adding the pictures and expanding the article. I'm the one who has done most of the Cruwys Morchard transcriptions but I didn't want to quote my own work too much! It's much better if someone else quotes it instead!Dahliarose 20:34, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I found it much easier to research and gather information for this article than for so many others I've worked on - and now I know who to thank for that! I had a fascinating time reading through your painstaking work.
 * One thing puzzled me - maybe you can supply the answer. If the village name arose from the Cruwys family, dating back to King John's reign, what was the village called in the Domesday book? I evaded the question when writing that sentence in the article. --Euchiasmus 19:49, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It was simply calle Morchet or Morcet. At the time of Domesday survey the manor was held by one William Capra. See: . Cruwys Morchard is in fact strictly speaking not a village but a parish.

Template:pnc nominated for deletion
See Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Template:pnc for the discussion, which will certainly spill over into larger issues. Your thoughts would be appreciated. --Kevin Murray 23:21, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Hello!
Can you or one of your wikipedies friends take a looke at the discussion page of the article "Israel's Arts and Science Academy?" please? I will be greatful if you do. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.219.228.172 (talk) 19:18, 12 May 2007 (UTC).

Hi
Thx for comment on Lucklow (there are some interesting articles!). Can you do me a favour? There is one outstanding school in the "waiting to be assessed" lists on the assessment page. I have said nice encouraging things... so I'd like someone else to assess. Do you feel able? It the one put forward by vbofficial. Victuallers 15:33, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for favour ... you ought to add your bit to the end of WikiProject Schools/Assessment to say what you've done. You should get the credit and we could do with a gemini... I'm glad you agree about the school. We seem to be making some progress with this project. One of the largest lists on wiki was unassessed schools ... soon it will be assessed schools. I know you have an interest in education. I have half an idea for a teaching resource where students can appreciate other countries by looking at their schools. Wiki's multilingual/ culticultural spread would make this interesting ... Victuallers 08:29, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Rfc
You recently commented at a Peer Review for University High School (Los Angeles, California).

We could use a weigh in at Requests for comment/University High School (Los Angeles, California).

The article in question is protected after an edit war and we're now attempting to get consensus on whether or not school newspaper articles are RS. Miss Mondegreen talk  01:49, May 24 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't really feel qualified to comment on this edit war as I am not familiar with the content and workings of American school newspapers. If these newspapers are produced by the pupils then I would have thought that they would be reliable sources for factual statements (names, dates, etc) but should be used with caution for anything controversial or negative and that it would be best to back up any such statements with other sources. Dahliarose 12:16, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

UK Schools template merger
Hi! Thanks for your comments on the suggested depreciations. I've put up a response on the talk page. I've been working to improve the GB template recently, in order to make it ready for a merger, and I had already dealt with one of your criticisms - great minds think alike etc. Anyway, just thought I'd let you know I'd put my response up. Like to know what you think. (chgallen 12:34, 2 June 2007 (UTC))

??
"I have only heard "junior high" as a regionalsim, even in the U.S.."

So what does this mean then? If junior high is heard of in other countries, why can't it be used instead of middle school? (MrsMacMan 22:18, 14 June 2007 (UTC))

Primary school
So when are we going to have an agreement for the primary school? I cannot wait that long. (MrsMacMan 20:13, 15 June 2007 (UTC))

Thanks for taking care of me. You make sure I don't get into trouble. I promise I won't create any more problems for you. It just sometimes the article makes no sense when I read it. (MrsMacMan 20:25, 15 June 2007 (UTC))

Request for help
I've been restoring as many articles altered or moved by the above (now blocked) user as I can to a state that would not reflect her edits (she is a community banned user, and such have lost the privilege of editing completely). Since you are familiar with the subjects involved I would ask your indulgence to double check that I haven't messed things up, as a lot of the page moves involve (to me) similar terms and I may not have sorted them exactly. If you find anything that I've done that you think I shouldn't have, feel free to repair as best you can, or notify me if something needs to be restored. Thanks! --Fire Star 火星 03:49, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I've moved the page back to Talk:Primary education. If you come across anything else I can help with (or if another incarnation of User:Jessica Liao shows up again) please let me know. Regards, --Fire Star 火星 13:24, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * That is strange. I did some test edits and I can't see any reason why the talk page is included in the educational stages category. Perhaps we picked up a bug when I did the page moves. I'll add a note to the Village pump (technical) later. --Fire Star 火星 19:48, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The helpful people at the Village pump fixed it. The category tag was in the middle of the talk page, apparently, where I didn't think to look. Cheers, --Fire Star 火星 16:49, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I removed the redirect so that now we have a blank talk page. Perhaps we should put a note on the page explaining (briefly) what happened? --Fire Star 火星 02:02, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Preston High School (West Virginia)
Hi, thank you for your continuing interest in school articles. The article Preston High School (West Virginia) has been completely rewritten, removing the directory information to which you rightly objected, and replacing it with sourced, encyclopaedic material including sourcing it as a Blue Ribbon school. Perhaps you would take another look at the article, please? TerriersFan 23:15, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you. TerriersFan 23:29, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Just wanted to say thanks for all your efforts & assistance in sorting the primary/elementary school/education fiasco. Much appreciated. Tafkam 23:40, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Thinkin'
I was thinking - I wonder if Dahliarose went off in a sulk cos I didn't reply and ...wasn't it clever how that duplicate "history" heading went .... so 1. Welcome 2. Thx

Yes this is going well. I am wondering if the underlying text was actually nicked ... thats why I keep modifying the text to make sure its "ours".

Q. Should this be seperated from the girls school? There is nothing of that school here? But then ..Victuallers 15:12, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Morning .... I will fix the ref ... its not too ticky but you have to be brave as if you leave out a > or a / and your whole artle can vanish... albeit temporarly. 2. Did you know ... brilliant idea .. I'm assuming you have already entered the article ... got a link 3. If you know when it will appear then tell me (they are bound to take it). I'm planning to put the article up for assessment ... good idea? Victuallers 10:58, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Brilliant. I'm wondering whether 1. We shoild tidy up the formatting of the alumni ' use red links instead of the old bold and delete those who we have failed to find. 2. Check there aee no copyvio issues. I could do 1? Victuallers 20:40, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Please take another look at CSIHSIS
Hi Dahliarose,

Please take another look at CSIHSIS, which you voted to delete. I've made numerous changes since your vote. And doesn't that school have the worst acronym for a name in existence? Noroton 15:54, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

DYK
Sorry I wasn't aware about the copyvio. I just saw it in the waiting zone T:DYK/N (where there is no nomination discussion) and thought a mistake had been made. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:02, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Silly error about the copyvio ... still ... we learn. I looked at the Cliff Richard link which is obviously intriging. However according to his wikibio he left Lucknow when one year old and India when about seven. Any idea who is right? Seems doubtful to me ... with the scant evidence Ive seen Victuallers 21:39, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank You
Hello Dahliarose,

Thankyou.Your professional editing has tidied up the page and given it a very neat look.

I have discovered a dog eared, yellowing magazine brought out to comemorate the Centenary of La Martiniere Girls in 1969 which has enabled me to contribute more on the Girls' school.The article as heavily skewed in favour of the Boys' School. I have incidentally studied at both the Girls' school( till mid 70's the Girls school was co-educational till Standard iv) and the Boys' school.

Tell me more ho can I help to further improve the article.

Thanks and Regards

moon 13:01, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, your presumption is correct. it is from chandan mita's book.

regards

122.161.69.83 16:23, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

hi pictures
I made a similar reply to Moon on his page. His partnership is excelent... I guess he is new to Wiki or he would know about the copyright issue... but he's learning fast. If we can find someone to take some snaps of the place then it would really make the article shine. I can show someone how to load the articles so that they are multilingual (we have a French version I see) 12:35, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Separate Articles for all Martiniere Schools
The article La Martiniere Lucknow is becoming very long.

In fact each of the seven Martinieres deserve an article on their own. So why can't we have the following :


 * La Martiniere Boys' Lucknow
 * La Martiniere Girls' Lucknow
 * La Martiniere Boys' Kolkata
 * La Martiniere Girls'Kolkata
 * La Martiniere,Terreaux, Lyon
 * La Martiniere,Duchere,Lyon
 * La Martiniere,Montplaisir, Lyon

We can have links to each other and also a common list of Notable Martinians Worldwide.

moon 03:44, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

RAF Tempsford
I like the pictures which you have just added. Have you been there recently? Mark126 11:20, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply Debbie and the reference to your blog, which I read with great interest. I am sending a printed copy of it to my father (ex-138 Navigator), who will I'm sure be greatly interested. As regards Sgt. Shearer, I presume that you have seen his CWGC entry? This records that he died 15/03/43 and is, rather strangely, in Falmouth War Cemetery. Mark126 17:04, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

My father and mother used to go to Tempsford re-unions when they took the form of a pukka dinner in London. I think that they then sometimes used to on to Tempsford itself. I believe that the dinners ceased some time ago. I will refresh my memory when he responds to the copy of your blog which I'm sending him. I've never been, but my proxy (who is quoted in the article) has been. Mark126 19:49, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

School lists
As a previous contributor to the article, thought I'd invite you to comment on my suggestions for standardisation at Talk:List of schools in the South East of England. Tafkam 18:21, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Disambiguate
I'm hoping that namings loss is La Martinieres gain. I'm on holiday for 10 days or so. But do you fancy having a go at getting L-M Lucknow through GA or Peer Review? I think it'll take a few weeks to get to the start of the queue and it is looking stable again with only one poor bit. We might have to remove some pics which are not justified. Oh ... have you seen the painting? of Claude?.... its clickable! Good idea? Victuallers 11:49, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Deal! Glad ... I thought I might have p$$%^^%$ you off, with being bold. If I am.. say so. I agree about the discussion, as Harry would say "Disambiguato!" Enjoy your holiday. Victuallers 15:19, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Commas
Unfortunately, Wikipedia appears to be bedevilled with this sort of nonsense. Personally, I think as long as it's not ambiguous it doesn't matter if it's consistent. People seemingly managed to cope with Colchester Royal Grammar School and Royal Grammar School Worcester long before Wiki enforced a uniform naming convention. I will see what I can do, but I tend to think that there will be more important battles that we should save ourselves for. ~ Scribble Monkey 22:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

User:TerriersFan/Schools
I should welcome your comments on User:TerriersFan/Schools. Please add them to the talk page of that page. TerriersFan 18:37, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Once more...
Our old friend User:Jessica Liao showed up three days ago and did a lot of damage, and showed up again today when her other account was blocked, so she's on a tear. She even archived your talk page at one point! She was on an archiving binge for some reason. If you see anything else I've missed in repairing her rampages (as I see you've done a bit already) please feel free to fix it, and please drop me a line if you see anything suspicious. Thanks, --Fire Star 火星 01:07, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Rose Hill School
I keep stumbling on this, and each time feel that this is really an article which should be considered for deletion. As an academic institution, the fame of this school is very local, and I thought it was WP policy NOT to encourage a plethora such articles. Your comments would be welcome. Bob aka Linuxlad 12:56, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, such detail as there is could just as easily go in the Alderley article. I can name a dozen schools in the Thornbury, Dursley, Wotton triangle which I'd expect to be more worthy of separate listing (and they aren't). Bob aka Linuxlad 13:14, 27 August 2007 (UTC) Later... now added a merge tag. Bob

template
Did you get one? If not tell me an existing template you like ... e.g. Lucknow and I'll clone it Victuallers 16:06, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

La Martiniere
Status as I see it.
 * 1) Recently added some new photos - they are not added in yet correctly.
 * 2) Splitting - could do but see 3 and 4
 * 3) There is a La Martinere Founder template - see it at Lyon or Calcutta - it needs to be made as good as existing stuff at Lucknow
 * 4) A template for La Martiniere Alumni would be useful.
 * 5) A section of the history reads like a list of sentences. (There are some good period pictures I have loaded)
 * 6) Some recent stuff and internal photos would be good.

Any you'd like to add? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Victuallers (talk • contribs) 14:31, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

^&(&$&$&^$ Cannot believe the Tfd from TwentyYears! How timely! Can you look at this for us please? Victuallers 15:06, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Further reading lists are impressive. I'm guessing these are the ones that took 3 weeks to arrive! You will be up late! Victuallers 22:09, 2 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Are the assessments good enough? Twenty Years 16:03, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Dene Magna Community School

 * I've loaded up the logo for Dene Magna Community School, could you check that I've filled in all the image use stuff right? I've given it a go, but I am not very capable with images. Sorry about this. Jdcooper 00:19, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Okiedokie, I'm sure we will find out if the powers that be don't want it sooner or later anyway! Jdcooper 13:42, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

AGF
I am a bit concerned by this. Ad hominem attacks on other editors are highly looked down upon. Users are allowed to make mistakes, even big ones, in their pasts and then rehabilitate and become productive contributing users, and this is exactly what has happened in said user's case. Spreading such stuff to involved parties' talk pages could constitute a personal attack and is certainly a massive exercise in bad faith. Consider this a warning. Orderinchaos 04:29, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I was just attempting to explain the background. No offence was intended. I'm sorry if I was in error. I had come across this user in the past in his previous incarnation in relation to the Aquinas College article. There was a lot of confusion with this article as various schoolboy editors had upgraded the status leaving a somewhat uncertain history trail and I was unclear whether it was a genuine good article or not. Some editors at the time expressed their opinions (see discussion above) so I think you can perhaps understand the reasons for my assumptions. I am pleased to hear that he has now reformed. Dahliarose 21:43, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The article (Aquinas College, Perth) is a current Good Article. It was passed by User:Phoenix Two, his good article assessment of it is located in the talk page archive #2, and also in the WP:AUS tag under the assessment heading. Twenty Years 02:35, 2 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Posted 5 of them. Twenty Years 15:59, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Thx
Thanks ... must say I was pleased to see that the number of edits was so high ... actually I think it is half that figure. Adam has done a lot of assessments and Chris has not been idle. Recent additions of Norway etc help anti anglocentricity. The beatings will continue until morale improves. Victuallers 09:57, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Help need from Boxcrawler
I wonder if you could get your wonderful bot to do another run through the school articles. I've come across quite a few which unnecessarily have the infobox needed parameter. I suspect there's been a lot of work on infoboxes recently and people haven't known how to update the template. Many thanks. Dahliarose 23:32, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem, running soon Adam McCormick 03:13, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * (Regarding your question posted to my talk) Yes, you can make BoxCrawler skip a page, the method is listed at User:BoxCrawler. Please note that it should only be used for pages which do not need an infobox, or use a non-standard infobox, not those that have subst'd their infoboxes. Adam McCormick 19:35, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You are correct that it should be placed on the article page. Adam McCormick 20:23, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi Dahlia
If you look at my discussion page you will see that I have come to a decision. I didn't want to threaten to leave ... that seems childish, but I am not enjoying the procress at present. Neither do I want to wait for the song decision. The template is not important... the important thing is co-operation as OrderinChaos notes at the end of the debate. My interest (currently) is in templates and I was happy to experiment with La Martiniere to see how you could use the technology. But I do not want to spend my time defending every point and I do not enjoy having my integrity questioned with no apology even when it is requested ... twice. The careless edit of Claude Martin which you repaired did not help. Template technology is being used elsewhere without these overheads that in my opinion add little value. I have really, ... no really, enjoyed our collaboration and I may turn up on a virtual RAF airbase etc. I notice you have an interest in geneology ... me too. There are some clever things you can do with templates .... so do keep in touch. Pleased to help Victuallers 20:05, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Just saw the above, but I posted on Victuallers' talk page last night regarding this - I think sometimes it is possible to forget that one is dealing with editors one doesn't actually know, and assume on various evidence that they are similar to others one has previously dealt with, with all sorts of unexpected results. In my usual atmosphere, when I wander out of the relatively safe field of WA geography, I have to deal with some of the worst order of corporate crufters, vandals, POV warriors and tendentious editors that Wikipedia actually allows to stay unbanned (and many don't for very long). Several of the signs I observed in the earliest parts of the TfD, before I weighed in more strongly, led me to believe this was going to be one of *those*, and I accept that my own actions (and misjudgement as per above) had some part in the thing rapidly turning into Wikifarce of the highest order. In retrospect I would have largely let the comments stand, placed my argument, and let the closing admin sort it out. That being said, the end result was positive - the situation regarding templates has now been clarified by the closing admin, some attention was brought to the difficulties faced by WP:SCH assessors, and some of us admins learned something as well for future benefit. I knew that the text-in-template thing was against WP policy/guideline but had no idea where to even start looking, and had looked in about 5 or 6 different places and asked others. Like I said on Victuallers's talk page, I realise you guys acted with the best of intentions, I apologise for taking such a strong-handed approach to the thing, and I hope that we can all move on and, in particular, that Victuallers doesn't feel he needs to move on out of this. Orderinchaos 18:04, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Template_talk:Infobox_UK_school
Hi, thought I would drop you a note to let you know I've responded to a couple of items of yours related to that template. Regards, Halsteadk 13:11, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Comments Please
Could you please have look at this when you get a chance. Cheers. Twenty Years 08:58, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Ive added my old assessments to the page. What process do i now have to go through to become an expert assessor? Twenty Years 13:31, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The remaining 15ish have been added to the page. Twenty Years 14:02, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Will see if I have missed any. Twenty Years 14:47, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Added the High, thought someone had chucked that on there given the high importance. Cheers for notification. Twenty Years 14:52, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comments regarding me becoming an experienced assessor.

List of notable Martinians
This list appears to be Aquinas Cruft to my eye. There are not many people who actually have wikipedia articles listed there, pointing that they may indeed be non-notable. I am just informing you that i may put it up for AfD in the coming weeks if the situation is not rectified. I have growing concerns that there is a alot of cruft growing from the La Martiniere pages, and I am not going to let this walled-garden grow anymore, this is just a warning of what is going to happen in the future. Twenty Years 03:48, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * IMO, alumni lists should only be used to schools like Eton OR when the list of alumni is massive (70 or more people). Most probably they are all non-notable, and should just be deleted. Twenty Years 14:59, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Eton equivelants, why didn't you say so. I think i'll leave the list then. The names may eventually magically appear. Twenty Years 03:44, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

St. Mungo's Academy
I appreciated your feedback. It gave me the impetus to move on. I have added an infobox and some pix. Thanks. User:smafp, 8 September 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smafp (talk • contribs) 13:48, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Amused ... I nearly fell off my chair!
I must admit a smile. Some alumni of the Calcutta equivalent to the "Eton of the East" are at http://www.telegraphindia.com/1070909/asp/calcutta/story_8292041.asp

You may find this useful. (I admire your fortitude). Victuallers 20:04, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Still smiling .... try this. Rowe was 64 when he died and was "sometime Principal" of the collage acoording to the Annual Register by Edward Burke published 1910 p 111. Wikisource looks good. Victuallers 13:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I'll look, but I guess its a table rather than a template ... may not be quick Victuallers 14:23, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

La Martiniere
I have commented on the relevant talk page regarding your idea with the school song. Please read what i have written very carefully. Twenty Years 12:14, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * May i remind you of this. The school song is not backed up by any reliable sources, and is therefore non-notable.
 * May i make a suggestion, why don't you make an article in the school song, ill put it up for AfD, and let the community decide? let me note that i dont think this is the right course of action - because once again i will be proven to be correct, and it will be deleted.
 * For the song to appear in this persons article it must be proven that it was a significant thing in his life to achieve anything more than a side-note in his wikipedia article. Twenty Years 12:32, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Problem solvered (aussie joke). Thanks for moving it to wikisource, saved me alot of pain. I must say thank you for assessing 3 (i think) of the Public Schools Association articles i put up for re-assessment, it is much appreciated. Twenty Years 14:16, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The joke is an ad for Solver paints, for the curious :) Orderinchaos 06:11, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Jessica
Thanks for the note, I've been busy in the real world for a few days. That user has been on my radar since late August (having shown on my watchlist a few times now), there are some similarities (especially the article spread), and I'm waiting for one or two other markers to appear which may clinch it. So far, the user is being somewhat more conservative than Jessica has been. If you think the user's edits are inappropriate, by all means change them back. --Fire Star 火星 03:10, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * There has been enough accumulated editing now that it seems clear User:MSerje is probably Jessica. The same articles (as mentioned above, with an apparent remarkably similar interpersonal style. Blocked. --Fire Star 火星 04:49, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, we have a User:Satactetc who may be another sock. Not enough info yet. I think Jessica creates accounts and occasionally forgets the passwords for them, which may explain this one. --Fire Star 火星 05:11, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Assessments
Apologies about the B's, ill put my standards a bit higher. Totally forgot about putting all B's up in the assessment box. Cheers. Twenty Years 02:01, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Alternative high school IS an alternative school.
I don't understand why you want alternative high school to be a separate article from alternative school. It is the same thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MSerje (talk • contribs) 23:37, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Marlborough School (disambiguation)
Hi Dahlia. I wanted to let you know that I reversed your page move of Marlborough School to Marlborough School (disambiguation). As described at Disambiguation, it is not necessary for disagmbiguation pages to include (disagmbiguation) in the page title, and it is preferable to exclude the parenthesis whenever possible. All the best ×Meegs 05:37, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi
Wondered if you might be interested in Dilkusha_Kothi. Its the place next door. The man who I think took over from Claude built it. It needs a DYK nominator ... Victuallers 07:19, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Did you know that Pritish Nandy, an author of 50 books and a member of India's upper house is credited with opening the first cyber cafe in India? Let them decide Victuallers 14:35, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Aquinas & PSA
For your good comments on the Aquinas talk page and assessing the PSA articles:


 * Your comments have been good, theyve re-ignited debate, which is positive, it makes things more concrete. Cheers. Twenty Years 11:30, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Nom
The article now looks fine. Your photo was good and I nanaged to find more. I thinbk this is much better than average DYK so could you make a nomination? Thanks for your help and congrats on the Barnstar. You have EARNED it! Victuallers 09:57, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

ES template
If it's uncontroversial (i.e. pretty much noone is likely to object - I note its only edit was its creation in 2005) it can be removed by any admin under CSD G6 (Housekeeping). I can do that if you wish. Orderinchaos 16:13, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * No worries - done (on both) :) The hierarchy is generally Speedy -> proposed deletion -> nominated for deletion. Speedy deletion is used when something is either uncontroversially in breach of one of the Criteria for Speedy Deletion (see WP:CSD for a list), or can be dealt with without the need for further process. Proposed deletion is when something is uncontroversial but not in breach of the CSD guidelines. Anyone can remove a PROD template, in which case it ceases to be uncontroversial. The XfD process is for those which are controversial or likely to be. Speaking as an admin (assuming the item is to be deleted), it takes me about 5 seconds to close a speedy, about 20 seconds to close a prod and nearly 2 minutes to close an XfD. Took me ages to get my head around it all, so hope this is of some help. Orderinchaos 16:39, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for adding to the Schools deletion sort list, but ...
Thank you for adding all those deletion discussions to WikiProject Deletion sorting/Schools. I find it very helpful. Please, when you do, add the del-sort tag to the individual discussion pages. I know it's an additional burden and it doesn't look like it's a requirement, but it helps other editors to know that each discussion has been added and it probably brings more editors to more school discussions. Again, thanks. Noroton 17:23, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Katy ISD
"I can't understand either version and most of the reference links are broken. What is a school bleacher? Why should an assignment at an alternative school be a punishment? It would appear too that the so-called punishment was in any case withdrawn. It seems to me to be a very trivial incident that doesn't really merit inclusion in an encylopaedia article."

Please see the talk page again. I have found evidence that states that the incident was reported in the worldwide press and was notable. Katy ISD withdrew the punishment AFTER the bad press came. WhisperToMe 14:51, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Article question
Concerning the Institut Le Rosey article, I uploaded the 1965 photograph with a fair-use rationale (as it is a historical photo), will that interfere with a GA nomination? The photograph is of 2 major politicians having a snowball fight at Le Rosey so hopefully it will be able to remain in the article. I have yet to clean up the "overview" section of the article, but I'll hopefully be done by next week. Do you have any other suggestions to get through the GA nomination without too many problems? Thanks very much, -- AJ24 17:14, 27 September 2007 (UTC).

WP:NC(S) input
Hello, as you might have noticed I have brought up a new proposal for a guideline on school naming conventions. However, there has been very little input for it to go anywhere. I remember you were involved in the last proposal, so I would appreciate your input once again at WT:NC(S) if possible. Thanks. Camaron1 | Chris 11:29, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello, I have swapped round your edits on the Australia school naming; even if it is more simple, we should just stick to what is agreed on the new proposal, the old more complex proposal is archived and historical. Camaron1 | Chris 14:10, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

St Peter's RC Primary School
Hi, would you look at St Peter's RC Primary School, please? I have de-prodded and started to expand it but it needs more work to avoid an AfD. TerriersFan 23:48, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Importance Ratings
Have replied on the discussion page. Thanks for notifying it. Didnt think it would be an issue. My planning was to do quality, then to do importance, but ok. Twenty Years 00:27, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Montrose Academy
I'd like to ask that the article on Montrose Academy be locked from editing, due to the high amount of vandalism which appears to be taking place on a daily basis. Thanks RossBaku 16/11/07 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rossbaku (talk • contribs) 02:38, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject school consensus resolution
Hi, just a note to make sure you haven't missed WikiProject school consensus resolution. TerriersFan (talk) 22:35, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Request
Could you please lend a few minutes of your time to the Aberdeen Grammar School article. You reviewed it before at rated it as Start class. It has undergone heavy work since that review and I would appreciate your comments. Thanks in advance.  WEBURIEDOURSECRETS INTHEGARDEN  21:09, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

High School AfDs
Hi, two UK high schools are under threat at the moment - Coleraine College (an amalgamation of two schools) and Carr Manor High School (likewise). I was wondering if you might be interested in helping to source them up? Searches on the component schools, as well as the new schools, show enough material. TerriersFan (talk) 00:32, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Berkshire WikiProject invitation
Sea serpent 85 01:33, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Humanities College
Hi, your !vote was signed by Scribble Monkey which looks odd and may result in it being discounted. You may wish to replace it by a !vote that you have signed directly. TerriersFan (talk) 18:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Grove Road Primary School Notability
Why is it that you persist in adding a notability tag to this page when it has probably the most information on it than any of the other Primary School articles and many of the Comprhensive ones too? Most of the other Primary School page dont have a notability tag althought they are one line long and have no external links or refrences. Would you please consider reviewing your choice of putting a notability tag on the Grove Road Primary School page. Thankyou. (Electrobe (talk) 08:41, 12 January 2008 (UTC))

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DYK nom

 * ...that Salisbury Cathedral School was founded over 900 years ago by a saint? by zzuuzz and Xn4 nom by Victuallers (talk) 21:24, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Credit
Helen of Troy didnt actually do much rowing. Enjoy it! Victuallers (talk) 20:59, 28 January 2008 (UTC) ... just remembered user:zzuuzz so (s)he has been credited Victuallers (talk) 21:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James English School
Dahliarose, would it be appropriate to expand on WP:SCL "Failure to establish notability" to include non-US/Canada school districts? If so, then Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James English School could move from Delete to Merge. --Daddy.twins (talk) 20:28, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I have now clarified the footnote of Wikipedia:Notability (schools) in the light of the discussion by DT and DR. Please tweak it if it still doesn't quite serve. TerriersFan (talk) 23:28, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Rollback feature
I noticed you are a long established user, but you do not currently have access to the rollback feature on Wikipedia. This is a "no big deal" thing which allows you to revert vandalism like edits and your own edits quickly if you see the need, and it can be given to any trusted user even if they do not frequently use it. I have found no evidence in your history that you will abuse it, so if you let me know here or on my talk page that you would like it I will grant it you. Thanks. Camaron | Chris (talk) 20:48, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Ivybridge Community College
Hi I see you're on the assessment team for WikiProject Schools. I need an assessment for Ivybridge Community College. Please find some time to assess this article. Bsrboy (talk) 23:58, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Template:Schools in Cumbria
Hi, Dahliarose. Would you mind taking a look at this? You may wish to comment on the 'Edit war' thread I've started at the talk page. Regards, Xn4  10:24, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia Battleground
You may have seen a lot of Vandalism on the International School of Beijing and Western Academy of Beijing pages. This is because these are two feuding schools whose student's tend to hate each other. No matter what you do, this will continue.

Kindest Regards,

A PROUD STUDENT OF THE WESTERN ACADEMY OF BEIJING


 * And that results you block from editing wikipedia--NAHID 10:48, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Gordonstoun School
Hi, i saw that you've been doing some work on the gordonstoun school page... I've just added myself to the wikiproject schools with the intention of improving the page significantly as requested, just wanted to make sure that you weren't doing the same so that i don't create a bunch of new sections and then find you've already added them lol yours - RudolfSchmidt (talk) 16:08, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Auto Assess
Remember this question? Just curious, which bot does this, and do you know how often it is run. I found this page, which was assessed for WP Australia as Stub on March 7, added to WP Schools on March 26, and it it still hasnt been picked up by this auto assessing bot. Thanks. Five Years 17:45, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Asked the owner of the bot to help us out. Hopefully the issue is resolved. Thanks. Five Years 18:03, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Unassessed school articles from 7000 down to ~4600. Five Years 06:20, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Gordonstoun Talk Page
Hi, I was just wondering, the Gordonstoun talk page is a bit messy and I was thinking about deleting old post that aren't signed or are just random comments and putting other posts under titles if they don't have one already. Is it alright to do this or is it against policy? Ru (talk) 00:34, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Rossall School
Hi, please can re-assess the importance of this article - Rossall School. Other less notable schools seem to have a higher importance rating at the moment. Thanks

Could you look at this
Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Schools  Think  you'd be interested okay   12:18, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Did you Know

 * ...that the first British comprehensive school was Holyhead High School on the Welsh island of Anglesey? self nom by Victuallers (talk) 15:47, 12 August 2008 (UTC) and User:Dahliarose
 * Can you check etc?

Oxford Wikimania 2010 and Wikimedia UK v2.0 Notice
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Auckland Grammar School
I have replied to your re-assessment comment at Talk:Auckland Grammar School.--118.93.8.38 (talk) 19:36, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Jw fair
I see that you removed the PROD on the Jw fair article. I agree with your Edit summary comment. I am familiar with the discussion about merging non-notable schools into the associated school district article; I particpated in some of that discussion. This middle school is already in its Franklin-McKinley School District article, and there is nothing notable in the school article that needs to be moved to the school district article. That is why I PRODed it. If I am mistaken, would you please move desired text to the school district article then delete the school article. Thanks. Truthanado (talk) 23:29, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

QEMS
thank you for updating the assessment status of QEMS. Also, thanx for prompting me to find the reference to ICT specialism on the website. All the best A T Marsden Talk · {Semi-Retired} 17:14, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

DPS
Hi, I tagged Delhi Public School, Mathura Road for temporary deletion so that we can later move the misspelled article Delhi Public School, Matura Road to its correct location. See temporary technical deletions. --The Firewall 11:41, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks for your assistance!
Many thanks for giving me a hand with the Delhi Public School Society article. When i first noticed the article it was in awful shape, and even after i finished improving it it was still not exactly a great article. However, after your edits to it, it looks a lot more like a fine article as opposed to the brochure it was before. You truly went the extra mile by not only offering advice, but by giving a hand in improving the article as well, thus i think this star is no more then justified! Excirial ( Contact me, Contribs ) 13:52, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

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Template:Schools in Hampshire
Dahliarose, I am troubled by what has happened at this template. Would you please look at my comments at Template talk:Schools in Hampshire and see what your view is? Regards, Xn4  ( talk ) 22:58, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Helpfully, Flutefluteflute has now raised this as a new discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Schools - your input would be appreciated. Xn4  ( talk ) 23:29, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Former Schools Issue
I would be very grateful if you would come and comment about Former Schools sections of Navigation Templates. -- Flutefluteflute Talk Contributions 18:41, 16 December 2008 (UTC)