User talk:Dahn/Archive 18

Croix-de-Feu
Finally got around that one... I'm not as much on Wiki right now (various reasons), so I'm grateful to you for mentioning that one & others edits of the sort! Merci, et n'hésite pas à m'avertir d'autres cas similaires - je mettrai peut-être un bout de temps avant d'y venir, mais j'essaie quand même de garder un oeil sur tout ça... Salut! Tazmaniacs 17:00, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Vasile Luca
Hey Dahn. I've heard of the "â/î thing" before. In fact, my great-grandfather's village in Romania gets more Google hits for the former spelling, but perhaps there are non-Romanian meanings of the word as well. I think that the Hungarian name is more appropriate, as Luca's native language was Hungarian, and the village was mostly Hungarian at the time of his birth. Indeed, the 1910 Census tells us that Szentkatolna had a population of 985 (978 of them being Magyars). Khoikhoi 17:04, 29 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I like it. :-) Khoikhoi 20:53, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

A new Italian Communist
Ciao! I just translated from the it.wikipedia another article of an Italian Communist, say Bruno Fortichiari. Maybe, if you've time, you could give it a glance and correct my English. Thanks in advance and good work. --Attilios 19:21, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much as usual. Sorry if I ask your help, but I'm afraid that some articles could remain in poor state as a few people look at them. See you soon!!--Attilios 19:37, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Hungarians in Moldova
Could you please take a look at my recent-edited article Hungarians in Moldova and try to improve it (with links, a better structure, etc.). If there are any mistakes or false informations, please correct them too. Inform me on my talk page, when you are finished. Thank you very much. Öcsi 18:10, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I've made a mistake with the title. Of course you can move to the article Hungarian minority in Romania. Could you explain me then what is the difference between Moldova/Moldavia/Moldva. Öcsi 18:38, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Öcsi 18:55, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Lenin Peace Prize
Thank you! I now proudly share the stage with Khrushchev, Castro and Brezhnev.


 * The changeful years unresting,
 * Their silent course have sped,
 * New comrades ever bringing
 * In comrades' steps to tread

By the way, you may find something or other to improve in this new article of mine. Biruitorul 01:31, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I like that synchronicity. The Column business might make it DYK-worthy, but maybe a little more expansion is needed (if possible); I'll leave the decision to you. Biruitorul 01:43, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll see if I can do anything; in any case, we have five days and after all, there are many other subjects awaiting DYK, so it's not imperative. Though I do note that of the six current DYK articles, two lack in-line references. Biruitorul 05:56, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * That's plausible. Though it isn't just Americans – one of my favourite examples is during the Steaua-Middlesbrough matches this spring, when one of the channels sent a reporter up to Middlesbrough to ask the locals what they knew about Romania. One man (not the English hooligan type) confidently began, "Well, there's obviously Dracula*" and then "and ... er ... er ..." Frustrating, but what can you do, really? And feel free to let off some more steam; these rants are enjoyable.
 * * By the way, semi-protection for Ţepeş' page may be in order, so perhaps we should request it. Biruitorul 06:28, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Excellent job with Motru, boring though it may have been. And yes, the Western view of Romania is odd, still encapsulated in the tryptich of "Dracula, orphanages and Gypsies", but then again, there is a lot of ignorance in Romania about her very neighbours. Not that many Romanians progress much in they knowledge of Bulgaria beyond "bulgăroi cu ceafa groasă", and knowledge about the literature, art, music, history, politics, etc. of Bulgaria, Serbia, Ukraine, Hungary, etc. is quite sharply limited in my experience. So I suppose it's no wonder that when one combines the distance that separates Romania from Western Europe and the US with Bram Stoker's fantasies, one gets the results seen today. Biruitorul 20:34, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I put in a nomination for Cârţan; we've got nothing to lose, after all. By the way, and I know we'll eventually get to all these figures, but after reading some of this very interesting article, it does seem a stretch to say, as the current article does, that "His real significance in Romania history arises from his role as close confidant of Queen Marie"; I think his importance went a little beyond that. Anyway, all in good time. Also, while the current article on the History of the Jews in Romania is excellent on historical background, it devotes just two lines two their current status. I wonder if you'd be interested in exploring an expansion of that angle; if so, this piece may be of interest. Biruitorul 06:15, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I made the Cârţan change; I suppose he would have had to arrive in Rome a few centuries earlier for them to actually believe that he had come to life off the column. Ţepeş is, of course, a lucrative source of revenue for certain Romanians, and indeed I suspect that historians' constant need to re-invent and re-interpret the past in order to keep them in business helps give rise to the various interpretations. (Not that that's necessarily a bad thing: I remember the "old" National History Museum of a few years ago, when the Communist-era exhibits were all still up, but when all the rooms dealing with events after 1821 were closed because they still hadn't decided what the "correct" presentation of 1821-today should be. Even today, in places like Constanţa and Timişoara, the history museums bear the distinct stamp of Ceauşist teleology, with the phrase "continuitatea poporului român" appearing in large letters and many times from the Paleolithic exhibits all the way to the 19th century.) As for the ethics of elites fabricating historical narratives: on one level, it appears unseemly, but after all, nationalism, for all its faults, is the glue that holds modern advanced societies together. It need not be an ethno-nationalism (see, eg, the US and to a lesser extent France), but I don't know if humanity has advanced enough to deal effectively without it. I can imagine a post-nationalist world where individuals were just individuals, and didn't define themselves in relation to notions such as "că-n aste mâini mai curge un sânge de roman", but it may take a while. For better or worse, de Tocqueville's assumption that nationalism would fade away has not yet materialised, and historians are still writing about that fact as well. Biruitorul 07:51, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Those intellectual peers!
Done. Khoikhoi 03:42, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Image:IonAntonescu.jpg & copyright
Hey Dahn, remember the whole issue about uploading an image of Luca? I got my answer here. Khoikhoi 05:40, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Rulers of Transylvania
I have corrected one name, but my problem is that I don't know what main language the article does use; hungarian? romanian? Öcsi 21:20, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Carmen-Francesca Banciu
Thank you for your edits to the Carmen-Francesca Banciu article. Much appreciated. &mdash;ExplorerCDT 13:20, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

DYK comment
No offense taken, Dahn. Peace. Dppowell 18:57, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Salut! Tare mult m-as bucura daca mi-ai explica de ce ai sters contributia mea la articolul "Carpathian Ruthenia" --Olahus 23:00, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Greeks of Romania
Hello Dahn. i wanted to ask u why did u remove Călin Popescu-Tăriceanu from that article? according to his article and the link provided there by the romanian government, he is half greek. i will revert back. Ciao Hectorian 14:56, 4 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid i can't understand what your point is... Jennifer Aniston is half Greek, however she is listed among Greek Americans. Michelle Bachelet is one eighth French, but she is listed in French-Chileans, as well as to Greek-Chileans, cause she is one eighth Greek. David Beckham is one quarter Jewish (maternal grandfather) and he is listed among British-Jews. sorry, but i find the exclusion of Călin Popescu-Tăriceanu from the Romanian-Greeks as just nationalist pov-pushing (maybe some Romanians do not want to believe that their PM also has greek origins...). Hectorian 18:16, 4 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry if my comment on your "supposed pov" made a bad impression... I admit that it was not supposed to make a good one either). I bet that u will agree with me that, even if Popescu-Tăriceanu would not like to be listed, it means nothing for an encyclopedia! noone said if he feels a bit Greek or if he is proud of his maternal origins or whatever (noone but him could clarify this)-in the link provided in his article, i read that his mother is active in the associations of the Greeks there (he certainly cannot feel "insulted by this). as far as wikipedia is concerned, i think that since he has Greek origins (37.5%, as mentioned in the link u gave me), he can well be listed in Greek Romanians. i have given u other examples, and i can give u many many more, if u wish. it is not about his self-identification, but about his descent. btw, the Greek President, Karolos Papoulias, is of Aromanian descent. he says that, he is proud of that, of course (as all Greeks) do not consider the Aromanians as non-Greeks, and if someone would read his article and also Aromanians, he/she would draw his own conclusions, maybe contradicting his and in general the greek pov... The current Romanian PM has all the potential to be listed in the Greeks of Romania, and excluding him is unencyclopedic. i will re-add him soon. pls, do not revert unless u can contadict my reasons or give me examples of people who have been excluded from similar articles, based on the fact that one of their ancestries is not "notable" enough, or that "they, themselves, do not want to be included there". Regards Hectorian 21:41, 4 November 2006 (UTC)


 * IMHO, a person stops being Greek or of Greek origins (or Romanian, Bulgarian, English, whatever). when he/she has no connection with that ethnic group, when the surnames and their origins stop being "traceable". In the examples u mentioned, i can't see anything different of what i've said: Charles, Prince of Wales has some Greek origins (he visits almost every year Mount Athos and he has never said that he has no connection with the Greeks), through his father (but have in mind that royal families is another case... Queen Elizabeth II was criticised by Diana's brother for not being "fully English", in his speech in the funeral back in 1997). And about the 13 English colonies, the Americans, as u know, state their ancestry in censuses, if they wish. Most of those 13 US States, state that they are English or Irish or Scottish in ancestry... About u having "Bulgarian" origins, honestly, i do not know;-). Regards Hectorian 17:03, 5 November 2006 (UTC)


 * John Adams' article says that he was of english origins. George Washington is in the cat English-Americans. Thomas Jefferson is in the cat Welsh-Americans. i do not know what their descendants answer in american censuses, but i do not think much different than them (perhaps by adding some more ancestries, cause of intermarriages). About Charles, i think i was clear enough: royals are a different case... And i do not see the members of royal families been treated like that. e.g. under such reasons Charles could be added in British-Russians (Queen Olga of Greece), British-Germans (Queen Elizabeth), British-Danes (King George I or Greece), and so on... Pls, do not present royal families as a similar case. Apropos, Michael I of Romania is not included in the list we are talking about, though his mother, Elena of Greece and Denmark, was a Greek princess... Hectorian 17:29, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Danutz again
Hey, have you seen this? Khoikhoi 21:51, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Moldavia

 * I've weighed in. - Jmabel | Talk 00:35, 7 November 2006 (UTC)