User talk:Dahn/Archive 31

Paul Goma reverts
Hi Dahn, I tried to edit the article to extinguish the revert war, not sure if I succeeded, I'm not sure it sounds good right now, can you please check. I didn't like your edits, I think the article needs to present what Tismaneanu said not what he implied. See if the present version is acceptable or it can be make acceptable. If not in the worst case I propose using a direct translation of what he said that would eliminate POVish interpretations of editors. -- AdrianTM 19:31, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

BOR
Truth be told, I did try to think of a witty edit summary, but could not. I do recall being frustrated when you wrote György Frunda was born in July 2007 but changed it before I could, along with some nice jab.

As for the BOR business: yes, I've long lamented the absence of a separate category. How about having "Romanian Orthodox Christians" as a subset of "Eastern Orthodox Christians", with the specification that those who died before, let us say, 1872, go under "Greek Orthodox Christians"? Or we could just put everyone under "Romanian Orthodox Christians" - I do see you put someone like Dosoftei in the clergy category - though that is somewhat ahistorical. Is Mihnea Turcitul a Romanian Muslim? Let's weigh this carefully. Biruitorul 06:26, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * So you want to divide Ro Orth even for post-1872? I don't know if that's needed. How about "Ro Orth" and "Ethnic Ro Orth (pre-1872)", with an explanatory note? Of course that doesn't solve for Transylvania and Bessarabia, which didn't join the Bucharest Patriarch until 1918... So maybe "Ethnic Ro Orth from Transylvania/Bessarabia"? These are just some ideas, but your answer is as good as mine. Biruitorul 16:50, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, if need be, we can put some note in the category heading, right? Take for instance "Category:Roman Catholic politicians", which says at the top, "Eh, throw in the Greek Catholics too, even though they're not Roman Catholic". So potentially, we could create one single Ro Orth category and say, "Members of the Romanian Orthodox Church and its antecedents, within the present-day borders of Romania, or within the borders of Greater Romania, if the subject died there between 1918 and 1940." (Most pre-1918 and post-1940/44 Bessarabians are Russian Orthodox.) Biruitorul 17:06, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Why not? You have my imprimatur (though an imprimatur from an Orthodox is an odd concept). Biruitorul 17:27, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * OK: "Category:Romanian Orthodox Christians". I put in one sample. Biruitorul 18:30, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Thoughts? I tried not to duplicate too much content (you've covered Stelescu and Călinescu more thoroughly, with Duca presumably in the pipeline), but it could use more work. Two minor points: Petreu says April '36 for the Târgu Mureş congress; we have '35 in the Stelescu article. Frantz & Collins say the Răzbunători were exposed for two days; we say days on end.

Also, not directly related, but a couple of interesting links: this isn't exactly brilliant, but our coverage of the Romanian Parliament's history is rather slim at the moment (and non-existent for the individual chambers), so I will hold on to the link. This is very interesting - I didn't know some of those, like Titulescu. Biruitorul 08:13, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Anton Pann
Hi! Actually, as I thought, it did not last long to appear problems because of associating Roma and Romanians. Now the article Anton Pann is on stake. I wrote more on its talk page about what is all about. Thanks, Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 11:08, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll look for more sources about the Romani ethnicity. However, this is a problem with many Romanian Romani personalities, almost all are presented as Romanians, and most of the sources name them as such. For example, if Ion Budai-Deleanu wouldn't say in the introduction of Ţiganiada that he and Petru Maior were Roma, I don't know how the people would have find out about it. And still most of the people consider them Romanians too. Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 11:46, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I had also in mind a specific category about Romanian Roma and I'm thinking about a name that would encompass it best and be satisfactory for all the countries in a supracategory Romani society by country. Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 11:54, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, by society I was thinking about something similar to Category:Jews and Judaism. This would by Category:Romani people and Romanipen, since in our case too only the Romanipen supports us as a lively people in Dispora. But this would mean to make a page about Romanipen (our set of customs and purity rules that organize our life). I'm planning to do this, but this takes time, since it has many subsidiary issues, which if not thoroghly explained at once would attract again problems (these are the improvements I told you I'm gathering external sources about). I think until then it may function independently Category:Romani history by country (just as a subcat of Category:Romani history, and afterwards to be added as a subcategory also to Category:Romani people and Romanipen (permitting that Category:Romani history in Romania become also a subcategory of Category:Romani people and Romanipen in Romania). Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 12:26, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * They would not overlap, articles about the Romani history in Romania would remain in their due category, only the Category:Romani history in Romania itself would become also a subcategory of Category:Romani people and Romanipen in Romania. And non-historical things regarding the Romanian Roma would go to other subcats of Category:Romani people and Romanipen in Romania or directly in that cat. I did not get the idea about categorizing the musical bands, if you could give me an example. Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 12:45, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Also in the Jewish case Category:Jewish Romanian history is a subcat of Category:Jews and Judaism in Romania. Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 12:48, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep, a kind of Category:Romanian Romani musical groups. Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 12:56, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Probably you wonder about switching between Rom(a) and Romani. At Romani_people it is explained which is the noun, the adjective and the adverb. Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 12:59, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Take a look
A Romanian user, Roamataa began deleting minority language names in the infoboxes, see for example Bistra and Moldovenești. Indeed Roamataa deleted Hungarian names all over the infoxes in Cluj County (about a dozen villages). As far as I know there was a consensus among Romanian users that they accept bilingual infoboxes (with 20 % population limit), and there was no problem with them in the past half year. Please try to speak with Roamataa if it's possible about his campaign. Zello 00:47, 20 May 2007 (UTC)