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Voorhis
The problem is not your references; it's more that you, as a new user, aren't familiar with how WP works. Fundamentally speaking, this is an encyclopedia; this means that there are rules on sources, citations, and all sort of other policies and guidelines as to what is appropriate and what is not in an article.

Getting down to the article proper, I didn't remove any references, because there weren't any. Those references you added were not in the original article. Your listing of his works you claimed was incomplete; therefore what is there is a selection. Again, this is an encyclopedia - it's not meant to be an exhaustive resource. Books are generally more important than magazine articles, and some books in particular are more important than others.

We don't do "citations as author" so I'm probably going to remove that again. We usually use inline references, meaning that you need to cite whatever is in the article with at least a title and a page number or web address (see the cite link I gave you), and in the correct format.

All of the articles you wrote suffer from "information dump," meaning that that is what you did - you literally threw everything into the article you could find without consideration for importance or anything else. Voorhis' Masonic affiliations are unimportant, because they don't make him notable (see the link for more info), and are more precisely trivia, which we discourage. As you probably know, some Masons just about collect affiliations, especially if they are well-known. We also don't need to know every job Voorhis had ever had (especially since some overlapped, which is simply confusing). A listing of his hobbies and the 14 ham radio clubs he was in is also not terribly important.

There are fundamentals of Wikipedia you need to know, so I am also adding in our standard welcome message, which has links to things you should read as a new user. MSJapan (talk) 19:33, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

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Continuing copyright issues
I appreciate your effort to rewrite this. Unfortunately, your temporary version remains an unusable unauthorized derivative work of its sources. For an example of close paraphrasing, consider the following:

The source says:

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I am relisting this one for another week to give you an opportunity to continue working on the rewrite. Please let me know if you have questions about this at my talk page. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 15:07, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Another edit is posted for your review. Thank you. The accompanying picture which had the permissioning email forwarded last week as required has been removed. Cannot find it any more.

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To add to the canned message, the problem with the proposed replacement text is that it still follows the source way too closely, and it is simply not fixable in the present state. I suggest starting over from scratch, I'll be posting a short stub to that effect in a moment or so. MLauba (Talk) 09:44, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. I made correction to birth year from 1954 to 1953 (exact month and day unknown), however I do not show up as the originator of the article since it re-started with a stub. Any way to change that? Not a big point but I did initiate the coverage, though with much advice and work on your part (sorry about that). Dalcrow (talk) 14:12, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
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I did forward the email from the owner of the image. Will now go back and carefully remove any stylistic similarities to the published online work and put it up again in the temporary space. Thank you for your advice and assistance.

I did forward to email granting me permission to use the image as instructed but it was deleted anyhow?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Richard_Anthony_%22Dick%22_Cerri resubmitted with copyrighted material removed and other minor edits Dalcrow (talk) 13:00, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

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Hello 333-blue

Notability fairly obvious by the unfulfilled like in another Wikipedia Article: Genealogical numbering systems

I will add five other print and digital citations and resubmit but any Encylopedia reader who runs into the Henry System may well want to know more about it's creator which this article does as a stub for others to expand as they do more research.

May need help making the new citations in-line... Thanks

https://books.google.com/books?id=Q3Lr8tpowx4C&pg=PA43&lpg=PA42&ots=7p7BBco6Wb&focus=viewport&dq=published+reference+genealogy+%22henry+system%22

https://books.google.com/books?id=926fJyZB8TAC&pg=PA48&lpg=PA48&dq=published+reference+genealogy+%22henry+system%22&source=bl&ots=lS4k7S0zip&sig=TeYOI0CE1Rl31b98g5Rufb35H7w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi3sID0mf_LAhXr74MKHTgNB3cQ6AEIFzAB

http://www.saintclair.org/numbers/

https://books.google.com/books?id=Z5UjmaPmhp8C

http://www.genealogical.com/content/genealogy.html

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Johns Hopkins–Maryland rivalry in football
Hi, the full article would improve with a citation for the football rivalry aspect within this section: Johns Hopkins–Maryland rivalry. Cheers, UW Dawgs (talk) 21:51, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * On multiple occasions you have removed the Template:Citation needed tag and/or provided an erroneous citation, including removal of the CN tag without resolving, added a WP:PRIMARY SOURCE lacrosse citation rather than sport-agnostic cite, and lacrosse citation again. The aritcle lede states The Johns Hopkins–Maryland rivalry[citation needed] is an intercollegiate sports rivalry between the Johns Hopkins Blue Jays... and therefore it would require a citation which supports the "sports rivalry" text as written (or the text/article needs to be modified to reflect what can be supported by a WP:RS). UW Dawgs (talk) 19:06, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

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I will review edit and revise as needed. Not clear what sentence(s) are from copyrighted source but have found other sources that will help improve the article without any concerns. Thank you. Dalcrow (talk) 09:07, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Donal Leace


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 * I believe his peers in the Folk Music business would strongly disagree with your opinion on notability. A whole generation of fans and musicians who frequented the [Cellar Door] would disagree - perhaps that it closed in 1981 is an issue for your knowledge - multiple albums recorded there:
 * The Cellar Door, music club in Washington DC 1964–81
 * The Cellar Door Sessions, 2005 release of 1970 Miles Davis sessions at the club
 * Live At The Cellar Door, 1975 album by The Seldom Scene
 * Live at the Cellar Door, 2013 album by Neil Young, recorded in 1970
 * Donal was a vital part and well known. I would like to understand what you would accept as evidence but the existing references meet these Wiki criteria:
 * Creative professionals
 * "WP:AUTHOR" redirects here. For information about the authorship of Wikipedia articles, see Wikipedia:Ownership of content.
 * "WP:Notability (artists)" redirects here. For the failed proposal, see Wikipedia:Notability (artists) (failed proposal).
 * Shortcuts
 * WP:ARCHITECT
 * WP:ARTIST
 * WP:AUTHOR
 * WP:CREATIVE
 * WP:ECONOMIST
 * WP:FILMMAKER
 * WP:DIRECTOR
 * WP:JOURNALIST
 * WP:POET
 * Authors, editors, journalists, filmmakers, photographers, artists, architects, and other creative professionals:
 * The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors; or
 * The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory, or technique; or
 * The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series) or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews; or
 * The person's work (or works) has: (a) become a significant monument, (b) been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) won significant critical attention, or (d) been represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums. Dalcrow (talk) 02:01, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Dalcrow,
 * That's all fine and good but at a cursory glance I coudln't find a whole lot of reliable sources about his music or work, mostly obituaries relating to his death? If you have good sources that establish notability, then please add them to the article and it would be much better. "A whole generation of fans and musicians who frequented the [Cellar Door]" isn't a relevant audience unless it's put down into a reliable source. The albums he recorded there would be okay to put in the article, but that doesnt establish notability. Let me know if you know of sources that attest to Donal's notability. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 14:56, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

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