User talk:DalmatinoA

Well, well, well, well, Afrika. You do seem to never give up. *Sigh* if only you changed in this period, at least then there might've been a way to overlook your record as a an internet demon...or at least, we wouldn't be able to catch so obviously all the time. :D --PaxEquilibrium 16:05, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * So why don't you give me a chance? Instead you people ban me like I am some troll who vandalizies articles. Take a look at all my accounts, especially the last one you blocked. Did I cause any edit war? Did I vandalize any article? No I didn't. Why don't you for once debate with me and why don't you at least once take a neutral position and acknowledge historical facts every person needs to take into consideration when talking about history. Instead you edited the De Administrando Imperio ariticle erasing every mention of contradiction between chapters 30, 31 and 32. And then you changed and manipulated articles like Pagania, Zahumlje, Duklja... Why don't you have a quote from DAI where it says whole Dalmatia, Illyricum and Pannonia were taken and settled by Croats?! Why don't you mention that the chapter about Serbs was added almost 300 years after the chapter about Croats which is a fact aceppted by 99% of historians? Instead you avoid debate and seek to block everyone who challenges your nationalistic POV edits. My first account even became a tool into blocking and silencing everyone who opposes you serbian nationalists. I don't need to say that you people blocked whole range of IP's and accounts who have nothing to do with me like Pygmalion. I learned the rules of Wikipedia the hard way. Does this means my one mistake will follow me for the rest? While you erased your old account and all your deviations and blocks, you even tried to be a moderator. I changed my ways, did you?


 * Lengthy response given at User talk:Aldux. You've had it, you blew it. I'm not supportive of giving you a fourth chance. Looked through your accounts, and they're just continuations of your past acts of incivility - and the kind of way you returned to your habits at Pietro Tradonico is a further proof that you have not really changed at all. I will always be open for debating, but know that I am tired of you and all the pointless debates at Talk:Pagania and User talk:Afrika paprika and User talk:Factanista, etc... where I was banging my head against a brick of walls for months.
 * And here you again throw false accusations at me. I have not removed the mention of contradiction from the De Administrando Imperio article, but by European historians/wikipedians, who were also administrators (one precisely from Great Britain) who considered it rubbish and POV. I didn't "change" Pagania, Zahumlje, Duklja,... - those articles were practically created by me. The fact isn't accepted by 99% historians, and AFAIK I hear it for the first time in my life. I'm not sure if you were User:Pygmalion, but If I recall, you yourself have stated that before - so you know yet again shift your story. :0) It's strange that you say that I evade debate, because most Wikipedians argue that I spend too much time talking and little in actual editing (ping: the vast majority of my edits are on talk pages), and as you can see - I am debating with you now. What "nationalistic POV edits"?
 * If you're implying that me, Aldux and the other guys (who live in western Europe) are nationalists, I'd say that you belong to a very restricted minority of - a single person.
 * Well, yeah, if you're now allowed to Wikipedia, you'd be the very first one with those kind of mistakes, actually "rehabilitated". Getting banned (especially community-) isn't easy at all, and when you break that limit - that's what it's supposed to be, a limit you crossed from which there is no return. Instead, you kept violating rules and disrupting the Wikipedia even beyond your ban, which means that you've actually never ever been banned and that you've earned the impossible - several bans. ;) And no, your edits at Pietro Tradonico show that you've AFAIK not learned Wikipedia's rules at all.
 * I didn't erase my old account. Also, what deviations and blocks, if you please? --PaxEquilibrium 11:48, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Pax you say you were banging your head on the wall? What about me? You refused to do any comprosmise on the issue whatsoever. It was you who started hurling "nationalist" accusations at me while it was the other way around. I supported the neutral version with "Slavic" you were the one who pushed and still are pushing this ridiculous version stating inhabitants of Pagania were Serbs. I left all your references about Serbs and all quotations but stating they were exclusively Serbs and enforcing that despite DAI contradicting itself because it first says Pagania and whole Dalmatia and Illyricum were settled by Croats and then later claiming they were Serbs in an older and obvious retell of the same chapter is a huge POV. Who is more POV here? Me who was trying to keep a neutral position? Or you who push the view on to your side? The answer is obvious.


 * I got banned because I knew nothing of the rules, I knew nothing of the 3RR and stuff like that, you used that very well, posing as my "friend" and then going behind my back and reporting me. That was the reason for my angry reaction after the block which was again considered by me as punishment and support of the moderators to you. Especally as you and other users from Serbia "ganged up on me".


 * As for Aldux I know nothing of the guy except that he has certain dislike for me while he ignores or is ignoring people like baned troll GirgioOrsini (who really pushed his POV) or constant disruptor Giovanni Giove who like you completely disregards everything it's being said to him when it doesn't suits him.


 * And last I remember your old account HolyRomanEmperor very good, I am not a fool despite looking or sometims intentionally posing like one, you were at least three times blocked for 3RR and were once even blocked indefinately only for that blocked to be rewoked based on supposed account being hacked. Honestly I couldn't care less but don't act as some messiah and legalist with me when you are no saint yourself. I only ask the same teatment, instead I got none, I was immediately blocked and after it community banned. For what? For 3RR? For being new and stupid? Yes I was stupid, I did some stupid things like vandalizing your and some other people's pages after the blocks as I considered them punishment. Never hid what I done, I am not proud for what I did in the heath of the moment... --DalmatinoA 14:17, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually I wanted to work with you, but you completely ignored all talks at Talk:Pagania and several other talk pages, simply leaving no choice but to (like an ultimatum) accept your version. Then I waited for quite a long time, and you didn't appear and then when I reverted your edit you actually complained? Isn't it a rational thing to do. And if I recall (as viewable at the talk page), you said you serb nationalists, and I myself only referred to you as a disruptive user (which you are/were) and after your community ban as a troll (which you are/were). It is not that I enforced "Serbs" on the article, it is you who deleted it and constantly kept pushing it out (edit history of Pagania reveals that). DAI doesn't contradict itself; it never mentions Croats in Pagania. And thanks for your answer is obvious comment.


 * You got banned because you constantly kept violating Wikipedia's rules, despite all the constant blocks and repeated warnings. You have to pardon me, but those were actions of a 10-year old, for which I have even mistaken you (obviously, since you denied). It's worthless to claim that you were banned because of your lack of knowledge of 3RR because talk page and contributions show countless blocking for 3RR and repeated warnings & guideline notifications (including from me) and before you were actually banned. I always "pose as a friend" to everyone. It's a standard practice of WP:CIVIL. And as for stabbing at your back - when rules are broken, I report them. I don't "cut slack" anyone, friend or fore alike. I am technically not "from Serbia" and most of all - which other Wikipedians from Serbia. Where? When? How?


 * No, I wasn't blocked for 3RR (and especially not three times as you fallaciously allude). Whenever you were blocked for your most rude incivility, personal attacks against me and disruption of articles like Pagania, I demanded to be blocked as well, out of honor to you so that you don't think that I am being favored and/or I have leverage over you. which was just one of many ways I tried to "convert" you. Obviously, it had no effect on you. And I had my account temporary blocked on an indefinite period because of account compromise, I even suspected that it was you (for a very short time).


 * I have no idea if you're stupid or not (and it would be insulting to call you that way, thus violating WP:AGF and WP:CIVIL), but you most certainly weren't blocked just for plain 3RR violations and for being a newbie. Yes, you constantly hid what you did, by opening new accounts that blatantly deceiving the entire Wikipedian community that it weren't you, even after we confirmed and blocked ya (like of Factanista and Tar-Elenion's case). Even after you kept lying to the Wikipedian Community. Don't you remember that? --PaxEquilibrium 23:04, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Instead of using sockpuppets, why not simply contest your ban? It is not really up to individual admins to change policy and decide that it is OK for you to start afresh with a new account. Can you not see that unless you contest your original ban any edits undertaken using a new account would be seen as edits by a blocked user and may be deleted straight away? -- Asterion talk 21:40, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * And how will I do that? My accounts are blocked on sight, I am given no right nor any chance to speak up. I am considered a "community troll". For what? Because of few stupid acts in the past? For 3RR? I have seen far worse cases than I supposed to be. I actually contributed to Wikipedia, I started and wrote new articles, I reverted vandalism. Never vandalized one article on Wikipedia, not one. And yet I am blocked on sight. --DalmatinoA 14:17, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * As I pointed out, it's not "just for 3RR". I myself, have not seen far worse cases, AFAIK no case in all of the west Balkans with such extremity as yours. You vandalized a whole lot of pages. For instance, pages of many administrators and myself where you added fascist and homosexual connotations (that count as blatant vandalism). And it's not because of few stupid acts, but because of the majority of your edits (which your contributions show). --PaxEquilibrium 23:24, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Afrika
Please email someone from WP:ARBCOM. You are banned. As Asterion said above no individual admin can simply decide that it is OK for you to edit again... we are all going to block your accounts on sight because you are banned. If you want to edit here you really need to formally contest your ban rather than simply create new accounts or IP edit.--Isotope23 talk 16:45, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * And how could I do that if you block me? And I know nothing ot the process. --DalmatinoA 16:47, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You can still read Wikipedia, just not edit. WP:ARBCOM, look at the active arbitration members.    Some of them list email addresses.  Please email one of them if you want to contest your ban.--Isotope23 talk 16:52, 27 August 2007 (UTC)