User talk:Damac/Archive 3

Arvanite Alliance
I've never even heard of such a party! I read the article and it says it was formed in February 2006 which means it was formed in the last 15 days. I watch greek political (leftist) websites, such as the athens indymedia but not the merest mention of a new "anti-nationalism" movement has been made, and judging from the fact that any anti-nationalistic news is usualy quickly mentioned in such websites, I think this could be either a hoax, wishful thinking or a realy marginal party that was formed like yesterday by previously unheard of people. Apart from that the article is in need of a complete rewrite as it contains much nonsense, but I would hesitate to touch it at least not before I hear that such a party really exists. -- Michalis Famelis 11:34, 15 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I think we'll just have to wait and see if the user provides any sources. If he doesn't in a few days time I think it would be sendible to nominate all three article for deletion:


 * 1) The party is most probably fictional.
 * 2) I've never heard of a distinct Arvanitic flag.
 * 3) The image of the supposed flag is copyrighted and links nowhere...
 * Beautiful day today in Athens, isn't it? Long Live the Attic Sun! --Michalis Famelis 12:37, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Hello Damac, I hope everything is going ok for you. I think we can move on to AfDing these articles. It's been like a week and the original poster has not provided any sources. Googling "arvanite alliance" still doesn't pop anything up, so I think it must have been fiction. Anyway if there actually exists such a party, someone will eventually re-post the whole thing. AfD? --Michalis Famelis 00:02, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi, just noticed you two had been discussing this earlier. I've made both AfD's now, after the same user also tried to revert Arvanites and created a POV fork of it at Arvanit. Lukas (T. 12:09, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Ministry of Culture
Kalimera! From what I understand, during the Junta no parties existed formally, in the spirit that "all the Nation is united so no parties are needed". In the same time I don't think that there was any "Junta Party" so as to have an one party state. I think this is more close to the latin american juntas: no political parties, just a group of officers and a bureaucracy. Possibly, you could place them under a "Regime of the Colonels" allegiance; I think that would be the most accurate. I'll ask my father and tell you tomorrow for sure, though. Btw, it seems I'll have to award you a barnstar or something, you do an awful lot of work! --Michalis Famelis 11:05, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Election box templates (reply to question aksed long ago!)
Hi. I found the question you left at Template talk:Election box about a month ago, asking about how to get the election templates to work properly. In case you're still interested, what you need to do for a candidate whose party has metadata stored for it (like Independent Republican (Ireland)) is to use for that candidate, and then in the "party" field, put (for instance) Independent Republican (Ireland) without the. I've just fixed Fermanagh and South Tyrone (UK Parliament constituency) in this way. --RFBailey 00:28, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Greek election results
Thank you for the piece of advice. I'm obsessed with greek politics and the greek history, in general, including the elections. Nevertheless, I face two major problems: a) lack of time, b) limited knowledge of the english language (my native language is greek). I'll try to contribute as much as I can, because I regard the registration of all modern election results as something exciting and useful. --Yannismarou, 20 February 2006

Dioceses in Ireland
Hi Damac, I noted your request for comments on the Irish Wikipedians' notice board regarding dioceses in Irland. I am active in this regard as well at the German language edition of the Wikipedia, see for example de:Liste der Erzbischöfe von Armagh. In my opinion, it is most reasonable to include both post-reformation lists, i.e. Roman-catholic bishops and bishops of the Church of Ireland, in one article for two reasons: The real challenge, however, regarding the lists of Irish bishops is not this problem but the trouble of obtaining correct lists for early medieval times, i.e. the time before the synode of Rath Breasail in 1111. The lists that are to be found on other web pages are (as far as I have seen) entirely unreliable. This means that each of these lists require quite some research of scientific papers, all the annals and other primary sources. Best regards, AFBorchert 19:08, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Both office holders see themselves as successor of the pre-reformation bishops. This means that if we would split the lists into two articles, we would either get some redundancy by having the pre-reformation bishops in both articles or we would violate the NPOV if we restrict one of the two articles to the post-reformation bishops.
 * In the early post-reformation time, things get rather complex as quite a number of bishops are acknowledged by the Church of Ireland and the Roman-catholic church at the same time. In these cases, the bishops had surrendered their bulls of provision as required but they were also quick to assure their loyalty to the pope. And the interregnum of Mary adds to the problem.

Athinganoi
Hi Danac. The small bits I know about these 'Athinganoi' come from here and there. Quite funny, they seem to be associated with the Cathar heressy. What is the official Greek stance on them? Or are they just hidden under the carpet (a la greque)?

[Balkan Borderlands and endless paths] 'The ascent of Islam and the collapse of the Persian and Byzantine empires pushed various oriental ethnic groups into Europe, among these were the Roma/Gypsies. They drew their different names from the people that they came into contact with, names such as "Arami" (Armenians, pagans), "Faraontseg" (crowd), "Bohemians" (from Bohemia), "Tartars", "Gypsies" (Egyptians), "Saracens" (Arabs), '''"Athinganoi" (Tziganes). This last name derived from "Cingar", a hypothetical Hindo-Aric population, and afterwards took the meaning of "pagan", "untouchable", relating to the Athinganoi heresy of Cathar origin, historically it defined the Roma ethnic community.''' The ethnonym "Roma" (from the Greek term "Rhomaios", denomination for the inhabitants of the Roman Empire and for the Christians of Byzance until the collapse of the Empire) used with "Sinto" (the Roma from the Germanic area) and "Kalo" (the Roma from the Hispanic region) defines a transfrontier ethnic community with its own language and culture' [12] Apostolos Margaritis 12:06, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Ouch..Some Irishmen are having a rough time in Greece right now
Some Irishmen have a rough time in the Greek paradise

Poor Paddy! and all this just before St. Patrick's Day. I have to sent him a pint of Guiness over in KorydalosApostolos Margaritis 12:49, 10 March 2006 (UTC)


 * People convicted for such offences face similar if not tougher sentences in other countries. It has nothing to do with Greece being a paradise or not.
 * I'm not sure what the point of this is. I'm aware of the story and the person in question. I'd also remind you that depending on who says it and in what context, the term Paddy is pejorative and disparaging term. As I don't know you from Adam and am not going to make any lazy assumptions as to where you're from, I take this to be an insult and request an apology.--Damac 13:15, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

How do you know, Apostolos Margaritis, the man is in Korydalos prison, if the news which link you posted does not say a word about that?--Advogados 07:29, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

IRA page
Hi, I hope you don't object to my moving the IRA and the treaty to its own article. The reason was that the IRA article was far too big as it was. I was also very dissatisfied with the content of the early part of the article, which I have also edited considerably. Perhaps you would like to look over the changes? Jdorney 20:41, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No, not at all. I'm glad that someone is showing dedicated interest in improving the articles on Irish republicanism in general and that we're moving away from the FearÉireann Prinz Joachim school of new historical myth. I had more time for this in the past but am somewhat busy with other things on Wikipedia these days.
 * You might have noticed that I moved some of the pages, replacing hyphens with en-dashes. It might seem a minor issue, but hyphens (-) are used to link words and people's names. En-dashes (–), however, are used to suggest a time span, or a distance (the Dublin–Galway road), etc. You'll find more info on this at Dash. --Damac 22:23, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Interesting. I admit I wasn't aware of the distinction before now. The only problem with the move is that all the links and some double re-directs go to the hyphenated pages. Thus the "what links here" page is much smaller than it should be. Out of curiousity, how would one write an en dash as opposed to a hyphen?

Re the IRA pages, I felt that the earlier ones were somewhat selective in the information included. I wouldn't describe myself as Republican but there are NPOV issues with only telling the Free State/1980s revisionist version of events. The problem now is that all the IRA pages except the ones for the newer dissident groups are too big and are spawning daughter articles, some of which are themselves too big now!

All the best, Jdorney 23:17, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Reality check for Damac
I don't want to sound again offensive to ultra-sensitive ears (BTW there is an Irish Whiskey brand called 'Paddy' officially registred as such and which can be bought here in London from Waitrose if I'm not wrong, see posting below) but I disliked the way you vandalized my contributions to the article about the religious minorities in Greece. There's something grotesque about you expats living in Greece, trying to curry favour with the host nation by forever showing off and proving that you are on 'their' side (shared prejudices included). But then, you live in Greece and IT starts to show. Slowly and surely, simply living there makes one sink. To live in such a country inevitably renders you onto a brainwashed creature. It's just a matter of time. Your country of adoption is, in my humble opinion by far the least civilized country in Europe. Despite the mild climate, it's a very very tough place to live in. I'm not envying you really.

KATHIMERINI English Edition_Greeks do not accept migrants

Hyphens and dashes
Thanks for the note, but I really prefer using simple keyboard characters wherever possible, and the MoS states "A single spaced hyphen - like this. This is considered an en dash rendered in the same "typewriter" style as the double hyphen for em dashes, above" is an acceptable alternative to an en dash. However, I've got no objection if you wish to change them. Warofdreams talk 00:18, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

First National Assembly of Greece
The "Provisional Regime of Greece" (Προσωρινό Πολίτευμα της Ελλάδος) and the Temporary Constitution of Greece (Constitution of 1822) are exactly the same thing. Maybe we should take care of that. Dimitrios Ypsilantis participated in the First Assembly and that's how he became president of the legislature. Alexandros Ypsilantis did not participate, because after his defeat in Romania he was very depressed and disappointed. Yannismarou 10:30, 8 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't think they are the same thing. The Assembly was a gathering which met from December to January. The Consitution was a document passed by the Assembly on one of the day's that it sat. Saying that they are the same thing would be like saying that the present contitution of Greece is the same as the parliament which passed it. There is a distinction.--Damac 11:04, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

You missed my point. I do not say that the Assembly is the same thing with the Constitution. It is not and you did very well creating a new article. What I say is that the "Provisional Regime of Greece" (Προσωρινό Πολίτευμα της Ελλάδος) is another name for the Temporary Constitution of Greece (Constitution of 1822). To be more specific: One thing: The National Assembly Another thing: the "Provisional Regime of Greece" (Προσωρινό Πολίτευμα της Ελλάδος)= the Temporary Constitution of Greece (Constitution of 1822), adopted by the National Assembly. If you see the present structure of the article you created and compare it with my remarks, I think you'll understand what I mean. Yannismarou 15:52, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I completely misread your comment. My apologies. My Greek isn't great and I appreciate your advice.


 * We should explain in each article that the official name in Greek is Προσωρινό Πολίτευμα της Ελλάδος or Provisional Regime of Greece. (Is this is the most literal translation?)


 * This pattern should be continued for the remaining articles. I saw somewhere that the 1823 version was officially known as the Law of Epidaurus and the Fifth National Assembly of Troezen adapted the Political Constitution of Greece which was the same name used for the 1832 Constitution.--Damac 08:54, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Subcategories of category:British MPs
I believe the argument you put forward for opposing a merger is irrelevant as Category:Members of the United Kingdom Parliament from Irish constituencies (1801-1922) was left out of the nomination and you may not have been aware of this. Categorising modern MPs by location of constituency does not reflect the reality of the political system in which party affinity is the primary division. Could you please reconsider your vote? Bhoeble 14:06, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

CFD discussion: new subcategories to Category:British MPs
If you would like your vote at the CFD debate to be considered, could you please go back and sign your latest contribution, at: Ta. --Mais oui! 14:29, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
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