User talk:Dan653/Archive 7

User: abutorsam007
Do you want him, or should I give him to the new instructor? Electriccatfish2 (talk) 01:29, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I would take him, but he hasn't responded. He can be moved to inactive. Dan653 (talk) 12:42, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅.--Chip123456 (talk) 15:57, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

A note on voting
Just a few things. First, it seems that you've initiated two attempts to gain consensus on the Status talk page. I'm sure I don't need to remind you that Wikipedia is not a democracy and that voting is, well, evil. When we make a vote, all humans commit themselves to that outcome. The prohibition on voting isn't just so that Wikipedia can seem above petty politics, it's because it's a lot easier to compromise and make a decision before someone has "made up their mind" and gone through the process of voting. Consensus isn't just about making the most people happy, it's about finding an acceptable result for everybody. Second, if you mean to make an overall change to some process (even an Enrollment or Status process) might I suggest using the centralized WT:CVUA, if only because it's a higher-traffic area. I really hope this doesn't come down as preach-y, that's not my intention. You've been handling a lot of the Coordination work yourself (work and life right now are not being conducive to Wiki-ing; especially when you add in UEFA Euro 2012 and my work coordinating Boston's Wikinic) and it's really been helpful.Also, it looks like we might need to take some action in regards to the Riley/Grizzly thing, so just keep an eye on that (and yes, I hid this to keep as many wandering eyes off it as possible). Cheers! Achowat (talk) 20:30, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, this whole dispute is really unnecessary and is really getting blown out of proportion. Riley even removed Grizzly as one of his students. Electriccatfish2 (talk) 00:52, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Of course, I am only trying to achieve consensus, while trying to make it easier for me to coordinate. I think the problem is that the status page used to redirect to the main talk page so not everyone has watchlisted the status page. I'll work on fixing that asap. Achowat you can preach to me to all you want 'cause what you preach is true. I know you've been busy, so I wish you luck in all that you are doing and (fingers crossed) hope you are around more soon. See email.

HEY
hey dan can you come to the academy talk page me and riley are still having issues. — Precedingunsigned comment added by Grizzly1110 (talk •contribs) 21:06, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ I added my thoughts. Dan653 (talk) 01:50, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Grizzly1110
Grizzly1110 has been blocked for 24 hours. I think that it would be appropriate to him from the academy. We are here to help people revert vandalism, not to have our instructors personally attacked. Electriccatfish2 (talk) 01:23, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the update electric, wouldn't have known without you :) but also... do you think I handled myself okay? I know I cursed once, but I couldn't believe that Riley would complain about Grizzly's spelling. But before you respond also see my second response with the numbers. I know you'll have good feedback, so thanks in advance. Dan653 (talk) 01:46, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I have gotten another instructor (Sister Twister), and I have invited an admin who is very excited about joining (ItsZippy).Electriccatfish2 (talk) 17:22, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think you were right and Riley and Grizzly were wrong. I personally wouldn't curse, but that's not against the policies, perWP: CENSOR, so you were allowed to curse. When I first looked at it, I wondered why you were being mean to Riley, but I see you were right, as you were commenting on why Riley was being a hypocrite by commenting on Grizzly's spelling when he couldn't spell himself. Grizzly shouldn't have insulted Riley, but Riley was also partially to blame, so he's not innocent, either. Also, Riley's comment about Grizzly getting rollback was NOT called for. It seems to me that Riley is not so familiar with the policies here, as he requested a "cool down block" at DRN, which is against our policies. You and Achowat are in charge, so you acted appropriately, and it's up to you whether to drop Grizzly. Thank you for the compliment! Regards, Electriccatfish2 (talk) 17:33, 19 June 2012 (UTC).
 * ✅ ItsZippy just joined the academy! Electriccatfish2 (talk) 18:37, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Damn, :P I was going to cite wp:censor, but I went with wp:DGAF instead. Probably not the smartest move 'cause the title has a curse in it, but what's done is done. Me and Acho will not let Grizzly back into the academy, so if he reapplies and you get there first let him know. We will be keeping an eye on Riley, as I recomend you do too.
 * Okay, he's been welcomed. There seems to be a lull in the amount of enrollees, so there's no one to assign now.Dan653 (talk) 23:11, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Grizzly just requested rollback at WP: PERM. He claims that he needs it so he can use STiki. I made a NAO to notify the sysop that he had been kicked out of the academy for personally attacking his instructor and just got off of a block.Electriccatfish2 (talk) 21:14, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks, I have wp:PERM watchlisted, but it doesn't seem to be working, hmmm. Dan653 (talk) 21:17, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Figured it out and boy do I feel dumb now. Since wp:PERM is full protected you can only view source, so therefor no changes are showing. All I had to do to fix it was watchlist the rollback request page. Dan653 (talk) 21:33, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

As expected, Grizzly's rollback request was not granted. Electriccatfish2 (talk) 22:27, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Anderson
Can we give him to ItsZippy, Krenair, Morning, or SisterTwister? They are all new to the CVUA and I think we should get them involved.Electriccatfish2 (talk) 00:18, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * If one of them uses Twinkle then yes and let chip know, if not he's chip's. Dan653 (talk) 00:31, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * They all do, besides Sister Twister, but I think preference should go to ItsZippy. I just feel bad taking him away from Chip.Electriccatfish2 (talk) 00:33, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It's okay he'll understand, I don't think he's even responded yet. Dan653 (talk) 00:34, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Can you please tell him? Thanks, Electriccatfish2 (talk) 00:36, 21 June 2012 (UTC).
 * Pussy! Only kidding :P I'll do it. Dan653 (talk) 00:37, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I was a bit afraid to tell him that I have removed him. I thought that it might be a bit rude for me to do it since I'm not a coordinator. Thank for doing it, I'll notify ItsZippy. Thanks again, Electriccatfish2 (talk) 00:41, 21 June 2012 (UTC).

CVUA
Did you take Ebikeguy, or should we give him to one of the new instructors? Thank you, Electriccatfish2 (talk) 18:41, 21 June 2012 (UTC).
 * I took him. Dan653 (talk) 18:42, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Great! I'd keep an eye on FishingKing. Electriccatfish2 (talk) 19:12, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Is it wrong to edit with your IP? I have sometimes editing from my IP when I have forgotten to log in, but I don't use it to gain an advantage, such as by using it to !vote in AFD's. Electriccatfish2 (talk) 19:16, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Please see FK's statement in regards to admins on his talk page. This could wind him up in trouble.Electriccatfish2 (talk) 19:19, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Ask him to rescind his comments and then try to get to the heart of why he's upset. That's how I'd handle it, fishy-cat.Achowat (talk) 19:24, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

I don't want to be mean to FK, but look at this diff. He identified my edits to his talk page as "vandalism" and rollbacked them. He could lose his rollback rights. I think we need to deal with this ASAP. Electriccatfish2 (talk) 19:29, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Chip filed an SPI case, which an admin believes is true, and if it accepted, then I assume that he will be kicked out of the academy.Electriccatfish2 (talk) 20:27, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm kicking him out anyway he's attacking instructors like Grizzly and they seem to be friends. Dan653 (talk) 22:03, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Good idea! Electriccatfish2 (talk) 22:13, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * This is all my fault, as I told Chip that FK had put a block template up again, and then Chip told Tide Rolls (sysop), who told Ebikeguy to tell him that if he does it again, he will be reported to ANI. FK put a template for biting newbies on EBG's page, and then FK's alleged SP vandalized EBG's talk page, and then Chip filed the SPI Report. Electriccatfish2 (talk) 22:19, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Fault? Good job is more in order I think. You just got an abusive sock potentially blocked. Dan653 (talk) 23:05, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Please see this diff.Electriccatfish2 (talk) 20:16, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Nobody's fault, not yours anyway. Note: The report probably would of happened anyway, even if you didn't tell me, as there was a discussion on another part of wiki anyway, so he would of been reported, if not by me, another user. --Chip123456(talk) 21:02, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

CVUA
I've been busier than I anticipated lately and thus will not be able to train any students at this time. Please accept my sincere apologies. Tarheel95 (Sprechen) 03:57, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. Dan653 (talk) 17:11, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

FishingKing
Asked me on my t.p. if I could be his instructor. You originally kicked him out, so I'm not going to reinstate it without your approval, plus the SPI has not been resolved yet. Electriccatfish2 (talk) 20:58, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * if the spi is fine you can have him, if not we'll talk after the spi. Dan653 (talk) 21:05, 22 June 2012 (UTC)


 * so is FishingKing kicked out of the Academy??? Grizzly1110 (talk) 21:22, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd rather give him to someone who hasn't had a student yet. Electriccatfish2 (talk) 21:33, 22 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey And Dan I'm I Kicked out of the academy because I'm Sorry About What I did To Riley Huntly and If not Can I be trained with FishingKing. Sincerely, Grizzly1110 (talk) 23:01, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Fishingking will not be allowed back into the academy until a decision on the spi has been made, no judgement will be passed until then.
 * I might let you back into the academy Grizzly, but I need to mull it over. Dan653 (talk) 23:18, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks For Informing Me And My Appoligies Are 100% Sincere. Please Notify me if I Can come back or not to the academy.Grizzly1110 (talk) 23:51, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Grizzly1110
I think we should give him to Morning277. He appears to be experienced. Electriccatfish2 (talk) 22:48, 24 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I will gladly take him on unless someone else already has him.--Morning277 (talk) 16:01, 25 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Great! Electriccatfish2 (talk) 16:25, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi there, Dan. I'm glad to see that we've let Grizzly back into the Academy; I see you want to give him to an experience instructor. I'm willing to take him on if you want - I know I've not much experience in the CVUA, but I have extensive experience of dispute resolution, have mentored new users, and have been a host at the Teahouse, so I have experience in that regard. If you want someone experienced as an instructor, that's fine; if you'd like me to help, just let me know. ItsZippy (talk•contributions) 20:13, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Morning requested him. Electriccatfish2 (talk) 21:08, 25 June 2012 (UTC)


 * You requested Morning! I don't think Morning has received a response yet, from Grizzly! --Chip123456 (talk) 06:52, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Grizzly will have until July 1st to respond. If we do not here anything by then, then that's that. Dan653 (talk) 18:47, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Sister Twister
I see that he's going for RFA today or tomorrow. Electriccatfish2 (talk) 15:27, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info, I will keep an eye. Dan653 (talk) 18:47, 26 June 2012 (UTC)