User talk:DanMS/Talk Archive 01

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Thanks! I have been doing a lot of small editing today on language pages. Just figuring out how to do this as I go along. Hope someone doesn't have to come along and clean up after me. DanMS 04:26, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

re: project punctuation
Thanks for helping with project punctuation! Just a little note: you should just delete the dumps from the list after they're completed, rather than marking them 'done'. Hope to see you there again! –Brighterorange 01:46, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

image markup
Thanks for the suggestion - it's been a few months since I had looked at those images. Plasma east 18:05, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Pakistan
Would you like to join the animated discussion on the Pakistan's talk page? The current issue is whether "Pakistan is famous for its support of Taliban and 9/11 terrorist" is a suitable sentence to start the article's first paragraph. Your contribution would be much appreciated, as the current discussion seems to be more of a dialog between Ragib and SamTr014 Talk:Pakistan. Thanks !--PrinceA 07:09, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It's only us against the world
Keep up the fight against sloppy placement of "only" my friend. I don't care if it's a losing battle. We must soldier on.

DavidH July 3, 2005 01:40 (UTC)


 * Saw your comment on my page. You're welcome. (Don't worry! I got your joke, and I would never jump on anyone anyway, even for writing it wrong -- when I speak I use it incorrectly all the time. And I'm not always exactly sure where it should go in a complicated sentence!)

I'm glad you are fixing it where you can. Keep up the good work. DavidH

Re: "As of..." Links
"As of (year)" links are used for statements that may become out of date in future years. You're correct that As of 2005 redirects to 2005, but if you follow the "(Redirected from As of 2005)" link at the top, then click "What links here", you'll get a list of all the pages that may need to be updated. See As of for more information. Hope this helps. Tradnor 3 July 2005 16:37 (UTC)

Mann Act
Nice work on the court cases. Ben-w 6 July 2005 05:50 (UTC)

Apologies
My apologies for horning on your WikiProject Punctuation section and finishing it for you. I just went ahead and clicked on the link without noticing that you were working it. Then when I came back to delete it from the list, I saw that you were working it! I'll check more carefully next time. DanMS 7 July 2005 04:09 (UTC)
 * No problem really. After all, Wikipedia is a collaborative effort. WB July 7, 2005 05:13 (UTC)

Carters
Your interest in the LoPbN is welcome. But please stop wasting your efforts on editing List of people by name: Cars-Carz and any other pages you have been treating similarly. I am about to revert to the last version before you started, and move the info you've provided to more suitable places. Let's talk about how your valuably energetic interest can be effective. --Jerzy·t 02:27, 2005 July 10 (UTC)

Canada stuff
Instead of linking to riding, link to Electoral district (Canada), also link to reeve (Canada). As for critic, such a page does not exist to my recollection. Just link to shadow cabinet or something. Cheers! -- Earl Andrew - talk 00:51, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Syntax for your Images contributed
You might like to use:


 * Image:Shag02.jpg – My original photograph
 * Image:WilTirion.jpg – Photo from his website
 * Image:Umbra01.gif – My original art
 * Image:Umbra03.png – My original art
 * Image:JamesRobertMann1920.jpg – Photo from Library of Congress, reworked by me
 * Image:MannWithClark.jpg – Photo from Library of Congress, reworked by me
 * Image:CrathieKirk01.jpg – My original photograph from my Scotland-Ireland trip
 * Image:DeltaTaoLogo.gif – From company website

best wishes --Tagishsimon (talk)

subpages
The original (TM) Wiki had subpages like United Kingdom/History but they are now deprecated but kept for redundancy purposes. REdirects shold be deleted through WP:RFD if you can be bothered. Dunc|&#9786; 22:50, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

SoCal Wiki News
Since you are in Long Beach, you might be interested in a couple of bits of SoCal Wiki news. One is the first ever SoCal Wiki Meetup planned for Monday, July 25, 2005. For more info, see User:Eric Shalov/Wikimeetup. There is also a newly created Southern California WikiProject and California WikiProject that you might want to take a look at. Blank Verse  &empty;  10:48, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Birds Fly (Whisper to a Scream)
I wish you hadn't nominated Birds Fly (Whisper to a Scream) for deletion. It's notable as it is a real song by a real band. I rewrote it a bit so it is at least a complete sentence. I also added a song stub and an external link. Ryan 05:48, July 27, 2005 (UTC)


 * I didn't write the original article. I'm willing to update it, but it doesn't need to be deleted. The band already has an article. I linked them up. I'm work on it as time goes on, but not until the vote is over. Ryan 03:15, July 28, 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm glad to see you changed your vote. Every non-vandalism, non-nonsense article can be expanded to avoid deletion. Ryan 22:49, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

Disambiguating Arabic language
Please stop disambiguating Arabic to Arabic language. I have seen several cases now, Insha'Allah, Translations of the Quran, etc. where you have created gratuitous links to Arabic language. If the specific meaning is Arabic language, but there is already a link, simply remove the link altogether. Thanks. freestylefrappe 22:47, August 7, 2005 (UTC)


 * It is not clear to me what you want. All links to Arabic need disambiguation. In the vast majority of cases the reference is clearly to Arabic language. Some of them are not so clear but I am doing my best to disambiguate all links to Arabic. You are welcome to change these if you believe it is wrong. For the most part I am not creating links, just disambiguating them. In the meantime someone else has changed your disambiguation on Translation of the Qur'an &mdash; DanMS 23:05, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
 * In the two cases that I pointed out there were already links to Arabic language. Instead of disambiguating the links, you should remove them all together. freestylefrappe 23:09, August 7, 2005 (UTC)


 * Actually that's a good idea. In many pages the authors have overlinked&mdash;created several identical links throughout the page. I have removed redundant links on some pages but it does grow tiresome to cross-check all such links on a page. I will start removing more redundant links. Maybe we should have a Wikiproject to remove redundant links on all pages. (Now wouldn't that be a huge project?) &mdash; DanMS 23:29, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Giovanni di Stefano
I had thought of moving this article myself, but the subject of it uses a capital "D" for "Di Stefano" when he writes his name, as do all the relevant sources. Are you sure that it should have been moved? --Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 23:06, 7 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, I could be wrong (I don't speak Italian), but the great majority of references I have seen to Italian names use lower-case di in sames such as this. If I am mistaken we will have to move it back again. &mdash; DanMS 23:12, 7 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes, same here &mdash; that's why I'd been going to move it. We need to ask an Italian speaker.  I'll check Category:User it. --Mel Etitis  ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 23:20, 7 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I suspect it's a matter of the way Italian names are written in English-speaking countries vs. in Italy. I have noticed a lot of Italian names in the USA are often written with a capital Di. I see the subject of the article was raised in England so perhaps he got used to writing his name as the English and Americans do. &mdash; DanMS 23:34, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Yes, it does look like that (though Italians here more often keep the original spelling, hence my confusion). I've checked with a Wikipedia native-speaker of Italian, and he thinks that it should be kept at the present sp[elling. I'm still not sure, though. --Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 15:11, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Primary candidates VFD
Many of the candidates for the June 14, 2005, congressional primary have been proposed for deletion. I am writing those who worked on those articles to request that they offer their votes against the proposal. The VFD's can be found starting at Votes_for_deletion/Log/2005_August_8. It is my view that we ought to provide a complete record of the election and my deleting so called "minor" candidates we do a disservice to them and the historical record. Please vote against all these proposals.PedanticallySpeaking 14:54, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

hello from India
hi, while seeing some of my pages under my watchlist (say Ignited Minds and Vaishali, I saw your name, and naturally came to your page. I moved to your personal website - really nice, but I did not have tea or coffee, so I will again view that with a cup of tea or coffee. Nice meeting you. --Bhadani 16:55, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Hello Bhadani. Thanks for your message. It's good to talk to people from far away. I am now in the process of disambiguating all links to Indian. If you edit any pages with links to Indian or Indians, please disambiguate those links thus: Indian or Indians . Thanks! &mdash; DanMS 17:11, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Sure. --Bhadani 13:24, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Anglet
Thanks for the disambig Dan. Dlyons493 20:47, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
 * You are welcome. I am in the middle of a large effort to disambiguate links to languages and ethnicities. I have found that almost ALL links to language pages need to be disambiguated thus: Basque, French, and so forth. There are thousands of these pages that need to be disambiguated. &bull; DanMS 21:32, 14 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Big job! Would it be worth writing  a database script to change everything and then make manual fixes to the ones the script got wrong? Dlyons493 05:56, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I thought the same thing--to write a script, that is. There are thousands upon thousands of links to many, many language pages. Many links would have to be fixed again manually. In many of my corrections to Basque, the links were to Basque people rather than to Basque language. I don't have the means to write and execute a script, but it's probably worth looking into. &diams; DanMS 07:04, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Black People
Dan, you will see on the previous edit, I accused you of making inappropriate edits on the Black People article. I, being unfamiliar with the editing history process mistakenly put your name as the last person that made the edit (thinking you were the FIRST-origial person that made the edit in question.)

Apologies Dan, I looked and someone else did these edits, you came in right after them. I am relatively new on Wikipedia, and I am handling the article and I am doing a trial by error. again, apologies, --Zaphnathpaaneah 18:23, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
 * No problem. I actually did not see your comment but now that you pointed it out, I went your user page and saw the remark. No harm done but thanks for your message. &clubs; DanMS 19:04, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I guess I am not awake yet this morning. I just now realized that you were referring to my talk page (this page) so I went back and looked at page history. Again, no problem. Regards, Dan. &clubs; DanMS 19:11, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Disambiguation pages with links
I just wanted to point out that you don't have to label articles as "not done" if all that are left are User:, Talk:, and Wikipedia: namespace links. Those aren't a big priority (and correcting entries on talk pages can be a touchy) and the instructions at the top of the page say to strike out entries once all of the main namespace links have been fixed. -Aranel (" Sarah ") 21:41, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * &spades; Thanks for the tip. &diams; DanMS 23:33, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: revert on Cotswold Games
You're welcome, of course! It was a most peculiar piece of vandalism; the perpetrator added it to a large number of articles over the course of about an hour and a half. They even created a bunch of new, blank articles containing nothing but the category, so we had a whole category full of articles apparently to do with Wiki cheese-ology! -Splash 05:18, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

RE: John Wayne & Westerns
Thanks for editing the The Shootist! I did it late at night, and I don't always see simple mistakes. Thanks for catching them. If you are interested give True Grit the twice over for me. WikiDon 04:32, 2 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks again. Yes, if there was a John Wayne movie on TV, my mom always had the Duke on. And she took us to the drive-in for some of them. She would watch certains ones every time they came on. Got me addicted.


 * RE: The National Cowboy Hall of Fame, I have already totally re-written that one, check it for me if you have time: National Cowboy & Western Heritage Museum.


 * I have also written articles on Ken Curtis, Andrew McLaglen, Frank Wead, and did a major re-writes of Ben Johnson (actor) and John Ford (film director). As well as created articles on: The Horse Soldiers, The Wings of Eagles, and Rio Grande (movie).

Thank again, pilgram. Building a better Wikipedia one edit at a time! WikiDon 01:08, 3 September 2005 (UTC)


 * One of my peeves is that when I get to an article, it starts out: "XYZ is a movie starring Joe Stud." There is no mention of the book or the writers in the film. I go through and put the book first, and the writers of the screenplay second. It was usually a BOOK or story first, then a movie, and if it were not for the writers.....what? It just chaps me that people don't think of the writer whose mind and experiences the story grew out of. WikiDon 01:42, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
 * No one reads anymore. Everyone views the world through movies and television. And of course you're right: Before there is a movie, there has to be something written&mdash;if not a book, at least a script. I don't know what percentage of movies originally come from books, but it must be high. &spades; DanMS 01:52, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Hello, Dan. It looks like you have participated in an unrep or two...I would like to discuss this further with you, and to do an article or set of articles on marine propulsion systems. Please contact me at goanna@shaw.ca. Thanks. n.b. It looks like you had a camera on your ship. I was on the Zoo and we weren't allowed cameras. Go figure. AH.

Nile Map
Thanks for the note about the Nile map, and for letting me know of the existence of the Cataracts of the Nile article. I agree with you that maps like that are a boon for river articles; perhaps you would do well to bring it up on the rivers wikiproject (which I'm sure does exist, but I can't seem to be able to find it at the moment). I'll take a closer look at the cataracts article later, too, see if there's anything I can add. best, –Hajor 13:04, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Votes for deletion/Khier
Hi, what I had meant by "malformed" was that there was no ===Khier=== header at the top of the page, so that even if the page had been added to a daily VfD (AfD now) page, it would not have been editable. JYolkowski // talk 01:18, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

You're welcome
It was no problem. The user seems to have either given up or gone to bed. Thanks for dealing with them so well. &hearts;purplefeltangel (talk) &hearts; (Contributions) 04:03, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Dan...
You and purpleangel are sick... You seriously don't have anything better to do than go around and delete peoples articles? Does it make you feel powerful? In anycase I'm going to give you the same advice I gave purple: just do the world a favor and slit.

ps: I find it sad that you talk to a prepubescent girl from Canada of all places like a colleague. Shes a fucking little girl... you're all sad
 * Note for Wikipedians: The above comment was posted to my talk page by Blanco vato (talk &bull; contributions), who has been blocked indefinitely for personal attacks and vandalizing AFD pages. &spades; DanMS 21:23, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Go-Plett
Hi Dan, Why delete the goplett wiki listing? Our website has the most up to date info on Plettenberg Bay and all our info is provided free. Our system runs on wiki software and others can add info to our site just like wiki.. please rethink. Thanks View our site simon 24sep05


 * Thanks for your message. I did look at your website and it is nicely done. A vote for deletion is no reflection on the quality of your website. In order for a website to qualify for a unique article in the Wikipedia, it must meet certain criteria for number of visitors, importance outside of its own community, uniqueness, etc. Please see Websites. Your website is listed as a reference for the Plettenberg Bay article.

&spades; Regards, DanMS 21:39, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
 * P.S. I have wanted to visit South Africa for many years. If and when I get there, I will certainly visit Plettenberg Bay.

Social Technology
Dear friend,

“Social Technology” is my first article at Wikipedia. I am new to this world of web publishing. Please pardon me for any errors that I have made and may make due to my ignorance of the norms and rules of the Wikipedia community.

This summer some good ideas occurred to me and I put them down in this article. In the article, I defined the term “Social Technology” and some basic areas to think and work upon.

Then I heard about Wikipedia where any one can contribute and enhance an article. I felt that this was a great place for ideas. I thought that many more ideas would come in and the article would be enhanced.

I posted it from my web log http://neeray.blogspot.com to this site. Unfortunately I forgot to post the copy right notice and a very vigilant member noticed the same article on my web log and marked it for copyright violation. I am very happy that people here are very vigilant. I have now posted the copy right message under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 on the “Social Technology temporary page” and in the article on my web log too.

Then I worked a little on the temporary page and find that now this is marked for deletion for “Rambling”. These are tiny seedlings of ideas. Please do not delete them even before they are seen and flower into something better. Please advise me as to what should I do to improve this article.

I have great faith in the collective wisdom of the people. That is what this article is about. Please do whatever is right according to the rules and norms of the community.

I tried posting this at the Articles for Deletion page but it is not showing there. Please tell me what to do.

Best regards, Nirupma Kapoor

neeray 06:05, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Dear Neeray,
 * Thanks for your message. I appreciate your thoughtfulness and your contribution. Wikipedia could use more editors who are thinkers like you.


 * I also read your message to WCFrancis and his response. There is not much more that I can add to what he said. Get a user name and register an account. It's quick and free. You can post almost anything you want on your personal user page&mdash;within reason. You can develop your thoughts on your own page. Meanwhile you can contribute other worthwhile articles to the main space in the Wikipedia. There are thousands and thousands of good articles waiting to be written.


 * Welcome to the Wikipedia!


 * Sincerely,
 * DanMS 06:45, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Go-Plett msg2
Thanks for your message Dan, I suppose you must delete it then. : ( I was thinking of adding unique content to the goplett link. like pictures of the area etc. but then again people can come to my website to see that..

keep up the good work.

Kind regards

simon

ps. wikipedia Rocks!

(Goplett 19:45, 26 September 2005 (UTC))

schools
I'm sorry that you've fallen to the schoolcruft cabal, but I agree they are so organised and motivated. Bahn Mi goes through the deletion log and lists every speedied substub and nonsense articles as "deleted without consensus". They've managed to intimidate the moderates enough to make them not vote, and even convinced some of them to vote "keep" because "schools are always kept" (doesn't logic inspire you?). It used to be only Anthony di Pierro that voted to keep schools, but then he voted to keep everything. So, yes, it is lost and the encyclopedai will fill with cruft. I think the only man who can stop this madness is Jimbo "the benevolent dictator" except he hasn't the backbone to dictate. Dunc|&#9786; 16:24, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

WP:CP
Hi, you've reported copyright infringements to WP:CP in the last week, a new measure was recently passed to allow the speedy deltion of new pages that are cut and paste copyvios. Please follow these instructions if you come across this type of copyvio. Thanks. --nixie 00:23, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Can Al-Zubair ibn Abd al-Muttalib stay
Hi, I've modified AFD:Al-Zubair with facts and references. It would be nice if you can spare some time to read it, and hopefully to reconsider its deletion (or make some comments on my talk page). -- Goldie (tell me) 22:40, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * "...cleaned up, referenced, and expanded, and red links filled in...". I would be glad to do so but I've done my best - no excessive text and all references in English I was able to find through search engines. Maybe the style is not good but hope you will forgive me as I am not a native speaker.
 * The plan is to fill the links after the vote (no need if it is going to die). Unfortunately I am neither a Muslim nor understand Arabian. Can trace further the link in French (which I do not know either). -- Goldie (tell me) 23:31, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Cleanup tag reasons
An anonymous user posted the question "Why?" in the article Godzilla, King Of The Monsters in response to your tagging it for cleanup. I just reverted the edit, as comments on an article are not appropriate in the article itself, but it's always a good idea to state briefly on an article's talk page why you feel it needs cleanup after adding that tag. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 07:18, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Mullaimanalan
I am new around here and am unsure weather to put that article in for speedy deletion? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chemturion (talk • contribs) 18:33, 30 October 2005 PST
 * I think a speedy was appropriate for the original version of Mullaimanalan. If you are not sure if an article is worth a speedy, just put it in for AFD as you did. You did it right. Please always sign your posts with ~ &spades;DanMS 02:51, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me.
What should I do now, revert it to the version with the AFD tag and add the CSD or should I leave it as it is and take this as a lesson?

Thanks you've been a great help and resource for me.

Chemturion 04:13, 31 October 2005 (UTC)


 * The article Mullaimanalan definitely meets the criteria for speedy deletion.
 * “An article about a real person that does not assert that person’s importance or significance...”


 * You were not wrong to add the speedy tag but you should not have deleted the AFD tag. Once an article is posted on AFD, you should not remove the AFD tag—even if you were the person who added the tag. The best thing to do, in my opinion, is to revert back to the version with the AFD tag and then add the speedy tag on top of that one. It is possible to have an AFD tag and a speedy tag at the same time. It’s a little unusual, but not wrong. In your edit summary, just put a note "reverting deletion of AFD tag." &spades;DanMS 04:35, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Archiving
The normal way to archive your Talk page is to cut and paste (you don't want to do a page move, because that transfers the page history to the new page). The easiest way to create the new page is to create a link to it (for example, User talk:DanMS/Archive1), and then follow the link. After that, it's straightforward. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 08:49, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Keg party
I'll try to improve this article while at work over the next couple of days (I am limited by a lack of broadband at home) that will include social constructions, association with binge drinking, references in pop culture, etc. Please check back this weekend and see if my edits cut the mustard, in your opinion. I feel that there is a decent article here somewhere, but the current version is far, far from it. Cheers. Youngamerican 02:58, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Where is the image!??


Hello! I can't found any images here. Where escaped this image?? --Sheynhertzגעשׁ״ך 20:55, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
 * The image is here. Sometimes the Wikipedia is VERY slow in sending images, but I see it here. &spades;DanMS 21:01, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Can you upload to Commons? --Sheynhertzגעשׁ״ך 21:56, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
 * You may take the image from the Wikipedia and upload it to Commons if you wish. I have placed the image in the public domain. &spades;DanMS 22:23, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

An ultra-inclusionist's perspective
Regarding your vote to redirect "Stewielocks and the Three Griffins" to the list of Family Guy episodes:

If we were talking about an article about a real episode that had a production code, completed postproduction and had an airdate listed in TV Guide, I would vehemently oppose deletion.

If we were talking about a fanfic, it's possible I might oppose deletion.

But if we are talking about a hoax, (which "Stewielocks" almost certainly is), then I have to support deletion. Otherwise, I would be less credible in arguing against deletion of articles about bona fide episodes.

So if you change your vote to delete, we can get rid of this hoax article. Cromulent Kwyjibo 21:45, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
 * All right, you’ve persuaded me. &spades;DanMS 02:25, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Cromulent Kwyjibo 21:59, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Dominion of Canada
Actually, an answer to that question can be found on the Canada's name article. Hope that's of some help. Cheers! --PullUpYourSocks 21:13, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Watching a user
I've often felt the same need &mdash; but unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any way of doing it at the moment. Perhaps a suggestion at the Village Pump? --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 10:12, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

AfD nominations
G'day Dan,

thanks for your polite message. The trend of "nominator voting" – that is, nominating an article and voting on it – has led to many nominations being nothing more than votes. In some cases this gets us utterly awful nominations, of the "nn d" variety (I've seen a lot of these). In others, as with your nomination of LukeSharp, the vote was pretty good. The nomination usually forms the core of the argument for deletion, and has to be good. Votes don't have to; there's nothing stopping a voter from saying "delete per nom". So, you see the importance of a good nomination.

How could LukeSharp have been better? Well, I'd have been satisfied if you'd left out the vote ;-). But it would've been a good idea to mention the dodgy website, the utter lack of Google recognition, the fact that the page was orphaned, its short history ... sometimes this isn't possible, sometimes it is.  I hope I've answered your question adequately. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 03:57, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. I suppose I could have included more reasons. However, in that particular case, I thought the fact that the software was nonexistent was sufficient reason for deletion. Regarding your statement about nominating and voting, I believe that is the correct way to do it. I would point you to WP:AFD, and the statement “You may well want to include a boldfaced recommendation as part of your reason. This will avoid ambiguity.” I agree with you about the “nn d” nominations—they are awful!. Regards, DanMS 14:52, 22 November 2005 (UTC)