User talk:DanTD/Archive. January 2011

January 2011
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on New York State Route 112. Users who edit disruptively or refuse to collaborate with others may be blocked if they continue. In particular the three-revert rule states that making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block. If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the talk page to discuss controversial changes. Work towards wording and content that gains consensus among editors. If unsuccessful, then do not edit war even if you believe you are right. Post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If edit warring continues, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Admrboltz (talk) 18:08, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Sacramento RT stations
You moved a large number of Sacramento RT stations (e.g. 4th Avenue / Wayne Hultgren) to disambiguated titles, citing "New name complies with naming conventions" as the reason. However, no disambiguation is the standard, only disambiguate when necessary. I haven't found a specific station naming convention at WikiProject Trains/Manual of style, perhaps somewhere else, but I don't believe that your moves are actually compliant with the naming conventions, and would request that you undo them. Fram (talk) 10:23, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the swift answer. I read the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains, where the first reply to you mentions "The user was acting against project naming conventions": which conventions, and why do they contradict the general naming conventions? The station of my example above is called 4th Avenue / Wayne Hultgren, and we have no other articles with this title, so why is a disambiguation needed? Because people don't know from the title what 4th Avenue / Wayne Hultgren is? That is the same with almost every other article, but we don't explain the subject of articles in the title (do you have any idea whether Animal Man is a book, a movie, a concept in Nietzschean philosopohy, a sociological construct, or the nickname of a contortionist?). Fram (talk) 14:01, 10 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Since you have now twice failed to provide me with any naming convention that actually supports these moves, I suppose that no such convention exists. Fram (talk) 10:10, 12 January 2011 (UTC)


 * And that's three times in a row. I'll go and revert your moves for being against our naming conventions, contrary to what you stated but were unable to substantiate. We don't use disambiguation to explain the subject of an article, we use it to disambiguate between different subjects with the same name. City College (Sacramento RT) needs the disambiguation, Watt/Manlove doesn't. (And I don't automatically know what What/Manlove (Sacramento RT) is anymore than I would without the disambiguation, RT is not really the most obvious abbreviation...) Fram (talk) 12:36, 12 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Your edit summary stated "Okay, if you're looking for an edit war..." Well, no. There was a stable situation (May 2009 to December 2010), you moved the articles, I undid your changes. This is the normal WP:BRD cycle. The next step would be for you to either recognise your error, or to list them at WP:RM. If you move them again though, you will be starting an edit war. Fram (talk) 12:56, 12 January 2011 (UTC)


 * You state "Fram, you really screwed everything up here!" How? Fram (talk) 08:04, 13 January 2011 (UTC)


 * No, you gave incorrect reasons for your actions, refused (and still refuse) to follow normal procedures, and went to friendly local groups to get support instead of looking for a more global support. You don't only write for people who are heavily involved with these articles and for whom jargonesque disambiguators are the best, but for the general public. There is a good reason that our article naming guideline (and practice at other encyclopedias) is different from what you support. Please note the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains, which is moving along in a rather friendly manner, and seems to be reaching an acceptable and logical solution, within our guidelines. Sticking vehemently to one solution isn't helping, and neither is misrepresenting the reasons for moving things. Can we please just discuss this as adults and be reasonable? Fram (talk) 08:00, 14 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Since you obviously don't understand the problem and now start dragging irrelevant aspects into the discussion, I'll drop this user talk part of it and focus on the main discussion (which isn't the NYT one which you for some reason added to it). Fram (talk) 12:11, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

At the now closed NYT discussion, your latest reply was "I suggest you look at Main Line and Springfield Junction again, if you did so in the first place. Those are dab pages with links to LIRR-related subjects, but they're not about stations." Could you please stop pretending that I want to move all stations to undisambiguated names? I never supported that, and never did this in my moves, as you should well know. The discussion is about moving articles where there is currently no primary topic, like Merillon Avenue, to that title (or Merillon Avenue station) instead of a disambiguated one. If we can stick to what is actually being discussed, instead of using extreme strawman arguments, then perhaps something can be achieved (as can be seen at the WPtrains discussions, where most people are actually moving forward towards a solution). Fram (talk) 15:44, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

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Edit warring report
I have filed an edit warring report at Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring. Fram (talk) 08:35, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

County Road Discussion
You may be interested in some discussion here about roads in Florida. Articles for deletion/Log/2011 January 12. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 01:05, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Would you mind taking another look at this one to see if you think it should be merged or kept as a stand alone? I added some info to the article & I see you have an interest in Floridfa related article.  Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 02:53, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Re: Belle Mead
Technically Belle Mead was an NJ Transit station until 1983. NJ Transit was active but not in total control yet. However, their name appeared on commuter rail maps before 1983, so Belle Mead (NJT station) is appropriate. (A good example is Fairmount Avenue, which has the NJT name).Mitch32(Transportation Historian) 17:06, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Downeaster
I think I recall you talking (a while ago) about a better way to show the extension from Portland in the s-line. What do you think of my changes? P.S. I moved South Station (MBTA subway station) to the mainspace. Cheers, → ♠ Gƒoley ↔ Four ♣ ← 05:51, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Ormond Scenic Loop and Trail
Have you started to work on Ormond Scenic Loop and Trail, or would you like me to start it off? I think I would work on it in my Sandbox area before launching it in the directory. Gamweb (talk) 19:18, 17 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Check out the Biketoberfest section on Daytona Beach Bike Week. I had a vague recollection about the Ormond Scenic Loop and Trail having its origins here. Finally found some references while doing an unrelated search. Gamweb (talk) 13:02, 20 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I found a rather lengthy history on Ormond Beach, Florida page, where you may be able to glean something. Gamweb (talk) 18:33, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

List of county roads in Volusia County, Florida
FYI, User:Admrboltz left a tag on List of county roads in Volusia County, Florida labelled "Lead too short." I asked him to show me an example of a list page with a satisfactory lead so I could get some ideas. He pointed me to List of state highways in Utah as an example. So I looked it over, converted/rechewed etc. to come up with a new lead on the Volusia County page. I think it turned out pretty well. Gamweb (talk) 07:12, 18 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I noticed the guys in Brevard County have an expanded list page (different style): List of county roads in Brevard County, Florida. What do you think? I could try to do one for Volusia County. Gamweb (talk) 18:52, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Volusia County Road 4011
I thought you may be interested in AfD. SEE: County Road 4011 (Volusia County, Florida), Articles for deletion/County Road 4011 (Volusia County, Florida). Gamweb (talk) 17:22, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * - Just so you know any article tagged with USRD will show any new deletion requests at our Article Alerts page WP:USRD/AA so you do not need to keep messaging users. --Admrboltz (talk) 20:29, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

List of all County Maps by Florida DOT
BINGO! I figured there had to be a listing of County Maps ~somewhere~ and I finally ran across the right page today. (I realize they are not always 100% accurate, but its the best reference point we have for citations.) Notice they are available in Large, Medium, and Small sizes. I have no idea what a "DGN" file is, but the others are PDFs. Gamweb (talk) 05:02, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * FDOT: Surveying & Mapping Office - Online County Maps

BART problems
Hey DanTD, I was trying to create a different s-rail terminus here that has the different timing. I also created a link in BART stations much like the southern Northeast Regional terminal. But the right terminus appears as a big red link and I don't know what to do. (e.g. Richmond Station) Can you figure out what's wrong? Thank you, → ♠ Gƒoley ↔ Four ♣ ← 04:34, 31 January 2011 (UTC)