User talk:DanTD/Archive. September - October 2017

September 27: WikiWednesday Salon / Wikimedia NYC Annual Meeting
(You can subscribe/unsubscribe from future notifications for NYC-area events by adding or removing your name from this list.)
 * P.S. On the weekend before the annual meeting, you can join: Action=History @ Ace Hotel (Sunday, September 24, 2017)

Your recent edits
Hello, I'm 61.100.199.21. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/Unused images have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think a mistake was made, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. 61.100.199.21 (talk) 11:42, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't know who you are, but I can't imagine why you think this wasn't constructive. -User:DanTD (talk) 11:44, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

IHC trucks
I was wondering if I could get you to stop by WikiProject Trucks sections Are International Harvester trucks branded "International"? and Requested move 25 September 2017. There is a survey at the Requested move.

You have been in on many of these articles and know about the proposed name change (mess). I was hoping you could stop by with an open mind. Thank you. Sammy D III (talk) 02:34, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Proud of yourself?

 * On 25 August 2017 a mistake in the name of "International" was shown to me. Since then I have tried to correct this one mistake.
 * I have driven International trucks, used their state registration cards, insurance cards, read their operators manuals, and talked with others who did the same. Of course this would be OR in an article, but we are on a talk page. I can post the truth and you can call me a liar.
 * Anyone close to International trucks can walk right up to a ratty S truck in a parking lot and look at it. Of course you don't have to, and you can't use it in an article, but you can use it as background. If you can't/won't do that you could at least read sources objectively.
 * I keep providing sources for using the name "International" and nobody provides any source disputing it. Of course not. Even if someone could come up with a single source disputing it the number of supporting sources should overwhelm it anyway.
 * People have used their own opinions with no sources to oppose something which has been overwhelming sourced. Some have edited these articles (I have, too). I think some people are too close and can have an ingrained opinion that they can/will not look at objectively.
 * I believe people are standing in the way of correcting Wikipedia for their own personal reasons. People who are objective can look at and discuss evidence. And if you are only subjective should you be editing an encyclopedia?
 * Feel free to call me a liar who is only trying to help my ego. But when this move request fails Wikipedia will still be presenting incorrect information across the board and you did nothing to correct it, not even consider it honestly. Sammy D III (talk) 12:08, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't know where you get this from. I actually did show some evidence of the name "International Harvester," being the correct name even when only the words "International" were spelled out on logos along the trucks. The only thing preventing me from breaking out any of my books by Tad Burness as further evidence is that they're in storage and pretty worn out. Everything I've learned over the years indicated that the trucks were named "International Harvester." The "H" in the logo wasn't there for no reason. When Case Tractors bought IHC's entire tractor division, they renamed their tractors "Case IH." I'm sorry if you think my rejection of your proposal is based on bad faith. -User:DanTD (talk) 12:28, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
 * All you gave me over there was a cheap shot. What source have you shown? It/they refute all my sources? How many "Burnes" books do you have? More than I have shown?
 * I am trying to avoid "Everything I've learned over the years indicated that the trucks were named "International Harvester."" because it is subjective. I don't care what you have learned, I am interested in what you can source. You know I think prejudice is a major factor.
 * Have you read either or more than one of the brocures here: ? Openly minded?
 * I thought you were open-minded. Somewhere you said one vague line that I thought might be because you may have mis-understanded something. I asked you an honest question and I got a cheap shot. I believe that your "rejection of your proposal is based on" ignorance of the sources. Possibly dislike of me. I do not think you have given Wikipedia a fair chance to be correct. Sammy D III (talk) 12:57, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Cheap shot? How did you come up with that? I did actually show you the logo. As for my Burness collection, they include "The American Truck and Bus Spotters Guide; 1920-1985," "Pickup and Van Spotter's Guide 1945-1982," "Pickup and Van Spotter's Guide 1945-1992," and others that aren't related to trucks. Nothing I've said here is against you personally, and I'm baffled over how you've come to this conclusion. -User:DanTD (talk) 13:11, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Have you looked at that IHC history page? That is a IHC library sight it is on. McCormack merged into IHC. If you download the PDF you get an original IHC document. All the brochures are IHC Those are also originals from the McCormack library.
 * We both have books. I have listed a ton. I have quoted some. Don't bother getting yours, I believe you. How many are from the same author/publisher? Do different arrangements of the same information count separatly? Shop manuals. Does each year of each vehicle count separately? I would think that each publisher should count for one. Would you prefer a guidebook over a shop manuals?
 * Has the word "Harvester" appeared anywhere on any truck as built since 1914 other than on the builder's plate? Does the logo used on the trucks say "Harvester?
 * I don't understand this hood ornament thing. So what? The name doesn't change the hood ornament in any way. Someone else addressed this over there.
 * I think this should go over there. Maybe you want to make an oppose over there and use what you want from here. My first post is already there, on the botton.
 * This is so frustrating. I absolutely know first hand from trucks I have driven and relatives who have worked for IHC since before the IHC merge. Why will you people not just take a step back, park your emotions, and just read? Then just say "oops"?
 * EDIT: I just realized you have the wrong section title. You are supposed to be an "Objectively". Sorry. Sammy D III (talk) 14:25, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
 * You seem far more emotional over this than I am. The "IH" logo stands for "International Harvester." There's also one ad boasting "International Harvester engines save you big money." This ad names the company as "International Harvester Company." By the way, I'm perfectly aware of the merger with McCormick, Deering, and other companies. I also recognize the original Auto Buggies and Auto Wagons had the turn of the century IHC logos. -User:DanTD (talk) 14:45, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I just posted this stuff over there. Sammy D III (talk) 15:51, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Sunday October 15: Wikipedia @ Open House New York / Weekend Photo Competition
(You can subscribe/unsubscribe from future notifications for NYC-area events by adding or removing your name from this list.)

October 18: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
(You can subscribe/unsubscribe from future notifications for NYC-area events by adding or removing your name from this list.)

October 2017 NRHP noms on Long Island
This time around, there are four more ... all from Suffolk County:


 * Bethel Christian Avenue Historic District, roughly Christian Avenue, Hill and Locust streets, Setauket (see map on page 66). Small community built around black church, one of the few such examples on Long Island.
 * Ellis Squires Jr. House, 186 and 190 Squiretown Road, Hampton Bays. 1790 Federal Style house; small outbuilding out front with bigger main house closer to lake. Looks like a fixer-upper.
 * Old Bethel Cemetery, Christian and Woodfield Avenues, Stony Brook. 1848-established cemetery for residents of the Bethel Christian Avenue HD.
 * William A. Farnum Boathouse, 52 Actor's Colony Road, Sag Harbor. Only extant structure associated with actor William Farnum, built 1915.

Have fun. Daniel Case (talk) 03:44, 17 October 2017 (UTC)