User talk:Dan G. Reid

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Would just like to request that critical issues about the Heshang Gong page be brought up to me directly before the page is deleted. To answer to a few of the issues:

Notability: I've linked about 4 other articles which talk about Heshang Gong to this page. He is cited by Livia Kohn, in two of those pages, to have provided perhaps the earliest documented manual of Daoist meditation.

Close association/personal reflection: Heshang Gong is a revered figure in the Daoist tradition for his depth of knowledge about the Dao De Jing, meditation, and Daoist philosophy. To describe his knowledge as deep, and the verses of the Dao De Jing as profound, is a bit like saying the top of Mount Everest is high.

Single source: As mentioned in the text, very little is known about Heshang Gong. My English translation of his commentary is the only full version currently available (the Erkes version can only be found incompletely in articles sold online, the three of which would cost $60 and not even provide the full commentary). To verify its accuracy, I have included the Classical Chinese text alongside my translation, which fyi, differs quite substantially from Erkes' in translating the grammar, terminology, style, etc. of the original. My dating of the text is based on historical evidence. For example, scholars say that the commentary was written around the 3rd century; however, Ge Xuan, who wrote a preface to it, died in 244 AD. Given this evidence.. etc..

I hope this helps

all the best,
 * The article is not currently up for deletion, but has major problems. There appear to be plenty of sources to draw from to make a compliant article but no diversity of reliable sources are being used. The article reads like an essay and contains commentary in Wikipedia's voice – promotional content at that – which has to all be removed. It has no inline citations to verify its content and demonstrate notability. In sum, the article appears fixable, the topic notable, with sources available for use – but the current content is not what we would want for it.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:36, 20 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Is there a word count for quotes that can be borrowed from the sources you've linked without legal complications?

What I could do (hopefully later today) is borrow the opening paragraph from Laozi as a template and input the relevant information for HSG. I'd be happy to add some relevant lines of the commentary from my translation (includes Classical Chinese text) as well. Is there a maximum amount that can be quoted without written permission?

thanks for your help

Hello, The top of the page showed that I was logged in while editing, until I pressed save and it said I was not logged in. I tried to go back but it automatically saved my changes and logged the editor as my IP address. I do not want this IP address in the history. People can search that IP on internet forums and connect aliases with my name and address. Some of the people on these forums can be a bit... you know.. Can someone please delete or change that line? I have saved the paragraph I wrote and can repost it while logged in if the whole event needs to be deleted. Thanks.
 * The edit history of this page indicates that the edits you have made have been while you were logged in; I cannot see your IP. 331dot (talk) 02:12, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

I see my name next to all the other edits except for the top one - description: "Rewrote the first part to make it more encyclopedic. Added some inline references." This is in the Heshang Gong page.

Also, to reply to your comment, should I put -help me- again, or just edit this page? Thanks for your reply
 * You can get 331dots' attention by typing . It looks like . --I dream of horses If you reply here, please ping me by adding  to your message. $(talk to me) (My edits)$ @  02:25, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I see now, I thought you were talking about this page. You may be able to request that your edit be suppressed though I'm not sure it would be granted.  You can follow the instructions on that page to find out.331dot (talk) 02:26, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
 * While short quotes can be used, clearly marked as such with quote marks, cited using an inline citation and in-text attribution, that is just an adjunct to the chief part of any article. The bulk of article content is not created by copying and pasting previous writing, but by finding reliable sources, digesting what they say, writing content in your own words, and citing to those reliable references to verify the material as the source of your information—not the source of your words or sentences.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:17, 21 December 2015 (UTC)