User talk:Dan arndt/Archive 4

HG lead
When did HG first tour US? Lead has 1984, main text implies 1985 (after Kingsmill joined).Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 12:30, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

(cut and pasted below from my own talk page)
 * Then we have conflicting info. Harp's Fred Mills says he saw them "Thanksgiving eve 1984" (Nov 20ish) in Charlotte, NC and reiterates later with "Shortly before the '84 American tour, drummer James Baker quit the band, replaced with Mark Kingsmill." Harp Magazine


 * Since James was fired in August '84 ... this implies Kingsmill joined in 1984, (Aus Rock Db confirms 84) learnt his parts, they toured US and then they went into studios for Mars Needs Guitars! (released in May 85).


 * Also check HG bootlegs with three recorded in US late 84. One of these could be the very concert Mills saw!

PS bootleg link gives songs not otherwise recorded?Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 06:43, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

HG discogs
You've probably seen the singles section getting filled up: I've seen the albums section getting done too. Could you go to Electric Chair and add the single to the infobox?Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 08:05, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * About "Real Deal", sorry, I only have 1997: according to Faulkner in 'Pop and Punishment', it was their last recorded session before break up (together with track "Gene Hackman") (aside: should this be in main article or in electric chair article?) and so it has to be after Hoodoo Voodoo EP. When, to nearest month, was Electric Chair released?Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 08:28, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Electric Chair / Armchair Gurus
Agree with your approx date for these compilations & highly likely for the single, meanwhile discogs has album information & covers (including inners showing more HG than I'd like to see) which only gives 1997 - whereas Official website has 1998! BTW, which tracks are totally new: article says five, website says four.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 08:50, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * More info, AMC has date 28/4/1998 - I'm assuming this is the US release date. Article has some errors: lists 36 tracks including both Electric Chair and Armchair Gurus as songs, doesn't list "She" and has Shepard as a songwriter.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 09:07, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

HG: Get Smart and Green Acres
Harry Hoo is a repeating character on Get Smart (Season I Episode 25: "The Amazing Harry Hoo", S II E 8: "Hoo Done It") played by Joey Forman. (See IMDb episode guide)

Also on Get Smart, Larry Storch (of F Troop fame) played the title role of "The Groovy Guru" (S III E 15), leader of KAOS' psychedelic band Sacred Cows (inspiration for Sacred Cowboys) & sings their hit song "Kill Kill Kill" (later covered by Painters and Dockers). The episode is said to be the inspiration for the HG song "In the Echo Chamber". Agent Larrabee is in this episode.

Green Acres & Petticoat Junction feature Arnold the pig and are both set in Hooterville (the place is also mentioned in The Beverly Hillbillies). Some HG songs have been described as Hillbilly punk.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 06:39, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

HG discog B-sides
I've just started Hoodoo Gurus discography B-sides as a Sandbox. It's a cut and paste of Powderfinger's B-sides & needs lots of work yet.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 10:58, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * B-sides wikitable now added to Hoodoo Gurus discography, could you cast your careful eye over it. I'm not sure I got all the repeated B-sides (those that were B-sides on more than one single). The article will also need some recounting for total Singles and total B-sides.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 08:21, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Brad Shepherd
Starting a Sandbox at Brad Shepherd, at the moment it looks suspiciously like Dave Faulkner's page!Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 11:00, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the assists, I've got it up to Start level and will create a new article Brad Shepherd.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 02:45, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I see a B class for Brad and for Rick! I was a bit hesitant to give these a B class: I felt they needed more Personal info: especially actual birth date, name of partner(s), & major activities outside Music industry. (Rick has slightly more in these areas than Brad).Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 05:09, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Good detective work on b'day & wife! IMO their daughter should not be identified nor date of her birth given: typically minors of famous people should be protected (Bindi Irwin is an exception due to her own notablility). Your opinion may differ.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 03:45, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, if you're happy.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 04:47, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

HG still GAN
It's currently at No. 3 with Patti Smith at No. 1 which was nominated about a week earlier but still not reviewed as far as I can see. I agree that more photos would help but album covers aren't allowed, I don't know of any other 'Free' photos that are available: should we contact EMI or hoodoogurus.net to get some for the article? I have the same problem with sound samples.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 04:47, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * While biding my time I found that some reviewers use wikimedia tools to check links, readability and editing statistics. To see such a readout try Hoodoo Gurus. This suggests where some readers of the article may have trouble with some links, words etc.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 02:30, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Australian Crawl
I washed the HG Aqua Net out of my hair and left it on the floor at GAN, I strode forth into the Pen surf with my board and started learning the Australian Crawl. My tentative strokes can be found in a sandbox at Australian Crawl edit. You'll see that its definitely a work in progress and requires a lot of reffing. (Which is why its stuck in a sandbox - I don't think its decent enough for public viewing!) I'm still not happy with the Lead (I've added a bit) and have also had a go at the Formation section.

Would you be willing to continue your usual magic on the Discography section (I've already noticed your prints all over the place) perhaps you could even devise a separate AC discogs article? (steal ideas from HG discogs if you like: I hear their pretty rich!)

As for me, I'll trawl through a few more refs and see if the Boys light up another day.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 10:47, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I've since made two major edits (& some minor edits) to Australian Crawl but will continue to do preliminary work on my sandobox copy at Australian Crawl edit. BTW, someone else deleted the image from the infobox (possible due to lack of fur?).

When you have time, could you also check all chart posies and sales (& gold, platinum etc) both within main article, discog sectn and relevant sub pages (albums & singles with own articles) as there are many inconsistencies between them.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:42, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

AC discogs
While talking about discogs what's the status of Semantics (US released LP, 1984)? It has 10 tracks it has the four Semantics (1983 EP) tracks plus earlier Oz singles and so could be a compilation album. I think it was released in US by Geffen instead of Phalanx (live album) and so has different tracks.

What about Reckless 1979 - 1995 live recordings by James Reyne & by OzCrawl? 19 tracks released in 2000 on Raven Records.

Also "Santa Claus is Back in Town" a 1984 single. Don't know B-side yet.

Finally, was "Indisposed" released as a single? If so was it A-side or B-side: I have seen both! Usually on other side of "Downhearted" in UK release.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:42, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

James Baker and Dave Faulkner
IMO There are some James Baker, Dave Faulkner & HG issues:
 * 1) Baker / Buncle songwriting for Geeks > Baker / Faulkner songwriting of same songs for The Victims and subsequent resolution should be mentioned on both Baker/Faulkner articles.
 * 2) Baker article needs fixing: he was fired from HG (after Stoneage Romeos not before), but why? It should be explained that he was already in Beasts prior to his sacking and that Shepherd was sacked from Beasts almost immediately. According to Faulkner and Shepherd, the falling out related to Baker's reluctance to tour US while he was involved with Beasts.
 * 3) When did Baker join Le Hoodoo Gurus? Did Faulkner, Rendall and Radalj jam together at the News Year Eve party and then some days later get Baker to supply drums?
 * 4) Get Smart episode on "Groovy Guru" had Larabee tortured / brainwashed in an "Echo Chamber" listening repeatedly to Larry Storch singing "Kill Kill Kill" (see Sacred Cowboys and Painters and Dockers) with his backing band the Sacred Cows containing three guitarists (dressed as cows) and all working for evil KAOS.
 * 5) What relationship does Stephanie Faulkner have to Dave? "Breakfast at Stephanie's" written by Dave (it was a B side of "Waking Up Tired" and on 2005 edition of Blue Cave. Stephanie Faulkner supplied backing vocals for "Death in the Afternoon" on Magnum Cum Louder. For that matter who is Jason Shepherd on same album? Cited as a voice on "Where's That Hit?" and is that McMartin their manager on same song? see discogs entry on Magnum. Stephanie also backing vocals on "A Place in the Sun" from Kinky.

I'll leave all this for your consideration - as indicated above I'm learning to swim Ozzie Crawl.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 12:12, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Australian Crawl
I've completed my 4th major edit of Australian Crawl and would appreciate your careful eye being cast over it. The sandbox edit will be deleted: my future edits will be directly onto the actual article (or associated articles).Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 15:12, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Forget the sandbox, I'm going direct to article now. Already started a discogs page (just cut n paste of your sectn): it definitely needs work. Appreciate help with chart posies: I don't have access to Kent.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 02:13, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Reply
Thanks for your answers.
 * 1) I've already put Semantics in both EP list and compilations list in The Crawl article. I don't believe Phalanx was released in US but I can be converted: I'll go with whatever you decide. I'll leave their discog page for you to fiddle with: I know you like those wikitables!
 * 2) Now I'm not sure about Reckless: 1979-1995 perhaps its a Reyne only release? At the moment it's in the AC list & template.
 * 3) Santa was also a B-side, which has already been noted.
 * 4) I have had a go at "Downhearted" it seems to have four or five different B-sides depending on where it was released! "Indisposed" is one of them (UK and elsewhere). But I've seen it mentioned as the A-side or as a double A-side.

Talking long weekends ours is this week I'm off to Bells...Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 08:37, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Downhearted
I've noticed that "Downhearted" and its B-sides are even more confusing with sometimes different B-sides in same market. e.g. "Indisposed" also in UK and US. "Creating Monsters" in US and Canada. "Way I've Been" in NZ and US. See MusciStack for these.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 00:31, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Then there's the problem of order of singles: article states it's their second single but "Boys" is immediately before. Thus it has to be third single?


 * Howlspace & McFarlane have May release for "Boys" and July for "Down". Rate Your Music only has year, but puts "Down" first. EMI catlogue numbers indicate "Boys" was earlier (but numbers are not always chronological). Article has May for "Down", "Boys" article not yet written.

BTW, "Boys" was initially banned from Countdown and radio play due to explicit lyrics: may have delayed its chart entry?Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 02:46, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Sean Higgins
When did he join AC? You may need to disamb your statement at The Boys Light Up.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 09:05, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's what I've got too. He co-wrote "Things Don't Seem" another single.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:00, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Boys Light Up
The article "The Boys Light Up" has been started and I'm off for my long weekend. Surf's up... I'll see if I can avoid those bleached blonde headed Zongo types from WA. Not to mention Rory who couldn't catch a wave if he tried! Now, where's my skin lotion...?Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 05:23, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Hoodoo Gurus
Check the talk page. dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 07:36, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Great to see its getting reviewed, some good suggestions supplied. I'll let you (Dan) have a go at it first and then dive back in to HG.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 23:48, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Seems you're busy elsewhere, I'll dive in if you don't mind.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 00:33, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Australian Crawl
I'm tweaking their sub-pages, mostly Semantics recently.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 23:48, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

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Hoodoo Gurus GAN review part 2
"Tag, you're It!" See Talk:Hoodoo Gurus for next list of reviewer's suggested changes. I'm busy with Real Life (tm) at moment, so could you handle this lot?Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:03, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


 * You moved too slow, I got to it: but have a look at it anyway. See if you can add your bit.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:43, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

AC talk
I see you've assessed it up: ta. What about the photo? Do we need a better one? If you're happy with the one there, should we change request for photo for infobox?Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:43, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

HG GAN review
"My Girl" ref should now cover part 2. You up for part 3? Also, we may need an extension of the on-hold time (originally a week & the clock is ticking).Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 04:42, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Saw your contribs to Part 3, added my two bob's worth and indicated on reviewer's talk page that I think we've covered almost all the points raised. Some ref tweaking may still be needed if the new ones aren't suitable.

Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 05:01, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I see more of your work at HG. Thanks for the url, I've used it and added another two bobs worth of other fiddly stuff. I think we've nearly covered all the remaining refs & deadlinks. Could you have a final check, then drop the reviewer a note?Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:39, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Great work! dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 07:29, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

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Congrats
You know what for!Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 05:03, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

AC still a fair way from GAN?
I think we need to do some more work before nominating AC article, more reliable refs, more rewriting of sectns. Test all links, get more on what they did after AC (JR isn't too bad but others are very thin on details).Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 05:03, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

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Rock and a Hard Place
Can you check its chart position info? AC article states all four studio albums reached top 5, but it also says this album peaked at #12, while Between a Rock and a Hard Place says #11.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 12:21, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for checking the posies, what about "their EP and first four albums all reached top 5" as a compromise? Was the EP a #1 hit or was that just "Reckless"?Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 02:28, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Other AC stuff

 * 1) Was Crawl File first released in 1984 as LP? If first released in 1994 why no songs from later albums?
 * 2) Have you read liner notes from Phalanx by Glen A Baker? He compares AC with Skyhooks and Cold Chisel to give more on AC's place in oz music.
 * 3) In a smilar vein, Ed St. John reviews their career for Final Wave and provides more info for the article.
 * 4) I can't remember all the details. I got both of these and more, about ten days ago, at a German fansite but tried the link again today and got nowhere. It's also where I got the infobox photo. Might try wayback machine.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 02:27, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Will have to fix the url, I've missed the www part try German fansiteShaidar cuebiyar (talk) 03:54, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback - the brother sounds like he was well and truly ACed - most of what you say re: Crawl File ties with what I believe (1984 LP, 1994 CD) but too many sites were telling me only about the 1994 release.

I've now downloaded the contents of the German fansite to my desktop so I don't lose my place again.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:30, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Sodastream
Hi Dan arndt, I was checking out the article for Sodastream and noticed their band image was much better than most. The fair use rationale says that because the band "disbanded in March, 2007 no free images currently exist", yet you uploaded it in Feb 2007. Just wanted to say that I'm impressed with your psychic powers (although yes, I did notice you added the rationale in October, so technically aren't psychic). I think I have a picture of Sodastream which is of the poor quality of most bands' photos, although I'm not actually sure if it's Sodastream or Thermos Cardy... Karl Smith's definitely in it, but which band he's fronting is unknown at the moment (says a lot about the quality of the photo, doesn't it?). I'll check with a few people, but perhaps a free image does exist of the poorer quality we're used to. :) Somno (talk) 06:59, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Boys Light Up
I think you're right re: #4 posi, if memory serves the AC article used to list this as its peak posi back when the full discog was within same article. Try back in Revision as of 02:52, 4 August 2007 someone called Dan arndt changed it from #4 to #1 (page history is great for humility: I've done some clangers too).Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 04:14, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Can I have one too, pleeeeeaaaaaase?Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 04:30, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * ta for the U-boxez, HG looks oK.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 06:32, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Between a Rock and a Hard Place
How much was the enormous cost of Between a Rock and a Hard Place? Current article has $40,000 (expensive in 1985 but not too much so?) or $400,000 (certainly enormous for Oz albums of that era) as seen in AC article? McF gives $400,000.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:31, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Speaking of Hard Place article, the personnel list doesn't distinguish b/n band members and additional credits. I don't have a source for the full list as displayed: could you separate the Crawlers from session musos & others?


 * BTW, is it the only studio album without long term members: Binks & Williams?Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:42, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Semantics
I think Semantics should be part of AC's album chronology, but can't decide how to include it: one suggestion is after Sons before Phalanx. But another could be after Phalanx (for US expanded edition) followed by Crawl File.

BTW, could the infobox for Semantics better reflect US expanded album even if not included in chrono? Infobox also needs 'Single(s) from' section for "Reckless".

Are the EP and LP front covers exactly the same? They seem to be same graphic design to my eye but I've seen variations in background colours (could be due to poor copying/lighting). Obviously back covers would be different (for tracklisting alone) I've seen the Lp back cover but not EP back cover.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 04:28, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Semantics' front cover background colours: I concur with your advice.


 * Re: chronolist. Date probs for US release indicates Semantics should be chronoed between sons & phalanx. At least for now.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 04:44, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Reckless
Found the Semantics EP back cover: it is very different from the LP back cover. The EP also has an inner with tracklisting.

Now we come to their #1 single (or should that be #1 EP?)... but what is it actually called?

This presents a problem for accurate naming of the future article - I was about to have a go but thought I should discuss these issues with you.

Possibilities are:
 * 1) "Reckless (Australian Crawl song)" this avoids some problems but may be seen as incomplete for many readers. It is supported by APRA which only lists "Reckless" aka "She Don't Like That".
 * 2) "Reckless (Don't be so...)" (or variation of this) seen with or without ... and with all capitals in many sites. Tellingly it is on Semantics EP back cover and inner (with lower case & ... ). Whereas LP back cover has upper case & no ... Also seen on some of their Live/Compilations (e.g. Phalanx & Crawl File).
 * 3) "Reckless (Don't You Be So...)" seen on the UK single's label for Geffen Records. Was Reckless released as a single by EMI Australia? If so, what does its label say?

What do you think we should go with?

I'm leaning on door #1 with bolded alternatives given in first sentence. But, as indicated, the prize could be in door #2 or door #3. I can be easily convinced to fall through any one of them.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:46, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not happy about no separate article for "Reckless"; I think its important enough to have its own article. Consider a "Reckless" article as a song (not as a single)? ("Indisposed" could have a similar article.) I believe significant songs (regardless of singles status) can have their own articles. IMO, too many people only want to read about Reckless but not about Semantics (either EP or LP). A re-direct to Semantics will probably confuse these people.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 01:14, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I went with "Reckless" and believe I've covered most existing Reckless red-links with "Reckless (Don't Be So)". Article needs more work but should be a reasonable start for now.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 06:22, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Brad Robinson
Had a go at Brad Robinson and beefed it up a bit & added some refs. Still haven't found his birthday, or when he was married to Kerry Armstrong - seems to be early 1980s but should be able to do better. Have no usable photo for him either.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:33, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

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Lost & Found
Expanded Lost & Found, it seems to be an extension of Guy McDonough's My Place but I can't find all the songwriters using APRA. Perhaps an album check might get them all. Other than Reyne and the McDonough boys are there any other Crawlers on this album?Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 11:46, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

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Simon Binks
Added more to Simon Binks, can't find exact birthdate, nor marriage date to Sharon (?? last name)- they appear to have been married in 1990s to 2006 (separated/divorced after his road acc. court case). Can't find any solo releases but there is an online reference to Simon Binks' Band at Fasterlouder (gave me his birth month & year) and some tracks to listen to at Showcase Your Music (confirmed birth info). Commentary implies simonbinks.com may not be his official website? I've left it in the infobox for now but it may have to be deleted: what's your opinion?Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 08:37, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

South West Syndicate
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Guy McDonough's death
I've been going through refs in AC article fixing publishers where missing.

I think we need a better ref for Guy McDonough dying of secondary endocarditis due to amphetamine use. Current article cites Music Australia (I think I added this ref: it states "died an amphetamines-related death") but it seems to be someone's blog: McF only says viral pneumonia.

The additional info in AC article (later transferred to Guy's article) seems to have been first added by User:Ampherlaw on 02:24, 8 July 2006 possibly Ampherlaw's first and only edit on Australian Crawl. I don't dispute the veracity of this user but feel that if we're aiming for GAC (eventually) we should nail this contentious statement in both articles.

Many other websites quote the wiki article (often without attributions and using very old versions) so that finding a suitable ref may be difficult.

I haven't found an online obit for Guy (or Brad for that matter) by any independent reliable source.

Shouldn't we delete the statement from both articles until it can be verified?Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:11, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd already found most of the rumours you've uncovered too. I agree articles should stick with viral pneumonia alone until more can be reliably verified: could you make the relevant changes to AC and GM articles? I'm a bit strapped for time today.

Freestyle Records
What does OzRockDb say?

Try Gemm as well. At Gemm I Searched Label category for "Freestyle" results included Cass version of Rock & Hard Place and other AC releases. The label was also used for Cats Under Pressure releases and Lin Buckfield/James Reyne duet single.

Note other labels have been called Freestyle (especially in UK) which are not the one related to AC.

Freestyle label search gets fewer hits at MusicStack but can cross-ref some of the above.

There may be other Australian acts on the (AC owned) Freestyle label but that will take some sifting to sort out.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 02:19, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Template
Note: all your efforts at matching colours for HG's template are for naught! Both HG & AC templates have been standardised to dullness! (I assume any others you modified have been similarly neutered.)

There appears to be no room for colour coding, which I believe is more informative.

No direct link to Discography. Loss of functionality.

Overall opinion: Blahnd band templates should be banned!

Was this changeover discussed any where? Is it a fait acompli? Can anything be done to resist or have the Borg taken over?Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 02:41, 17 April 2008 (UTC)