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More HoF inductees: Merritt and Triffs
I wonder which you'll pick? The Triffids I hear, were a great band from Perth (I think you might have heard of them?: get them up to GA??) or Max Merritt leader of the Meteors? See 2008 ARIA Hall of Fame inductees.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 01:28, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

This mornings west has 2 sep bi lined stories of the triffids - if you arent around ill add later in the day the refs - it identifies also the main 'archivist' of the group as well - cheers SatuSuro 02:56, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

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 * - Spencer Tracy (album) article created

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 * - Hold On (EP) article created

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 * - Ocean (Spencer Tracy) article created

HoF
Go for it, Dan. I'll tackle Mr. Merritt. Have fun!

The media over here has more on Max but haven't neglected Triffs.

I've got Miles, Howl & ARDb on Max today, I'm looking for McF before I tackle Max in my sandbox.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:12, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Max is B: I'm not completely happy with it but I'm leaving it for others to copyedit.


 * I see Triffs have more refs. Good work, now two more inductees to go.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 06:33, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

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Triffids house (The Cliffe)
reverted self - have a piccie of the north east bay window and the east verandah only SatuSuro 09:17, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Good start - have some things to add - mybe tommorrow at lastest - bit thin on tonight SatuSuro 11:37, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Oy, good work Dan. Moondyne 10:38, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I wonder if all the greedy ones have even considered moving it to another place? sorry piccy and extra refs delayed - SatuSuro 01:12, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

The more I read about it (the west our mighty guardians of truth dont even report about it or are on the developers side) it is a considerabley serious issue where a guy simply doesnt give up and uses the system to get his own way - giving little confidence in the capacity of the pollies to provide a balanced approach to heritage - I had some things to with a heritage consultancy some years back :( SatuSuro 01:23, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

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I am not sure whether it is entirely clear whether it is the singer or the album that wins the award. I thought it was a singer for a specific album and therefore both could be categorised as winners. Just noticed your edit on the Kev's Back album. Regards--Matilda talk 06:20, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi - thanks for your response. I had had the album on my watchlist because I was involved in the AfD ( but never listened to it ).  I am not interested at this stage in doing any work on the ARIAs or categorising (I am attempting to focus on Australian demographics articles ). I am happy that the article mentions the win but I guess (not following the ARIAs) I thought it was the artist for this body of work - ie KBW for Kev's Back in 1987 - so the body of work was key hence my categorisation but happy to go with the flow of how the category works in the present.  Regards Matilda talk 21:44, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

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It looks ok to you SatuSuro 01:03, 17 June 2008 (UTC) Yeah well, big blocks of text are my bugs, headines are yours - fair enough - I would say some more of the early history fleshed out would be my gripe about a B - the last couple of paras are excellent seeing it is potentially an OTRS issue there - they are well done - good stuff! SatuSuro 01:24, 17 June 2008 (UTC)  Heheh I must be wrong ) - moondyne has just reduced the sections at the cliffe - so you are in good company SatuSuro 08:43, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

South of the South Mole
I think the whole meat exporting industry - while it happened - and consequently the meatwork wyndham and robb jetty are actually worth an article - as for the rest of it - I am unlikely to get back to that art - there is in my particular mind a confusion of the early rail history in that patch and the subsequent americas cup farnarkling - and until i track down at my so easily lost rail history material I am unlikely to return to that neck of the coast - current redevelopment material that overviews the whole coogee and south of the south mole stuff is not easy to hand in my messy office - unfortunately SatuSuro 08:39, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

and never enough time yup been there - the rail stuff is actually quite interesting - I have albany harbour and south freo rail history as well as the old bunbury rail stuff to dig up in the next week or so - I have stuff on the bunbury rail station (first) but the gerladnton rail stations (all three) give me a headache - will have to put them on the long list off wiki of to do before i pass to the other side scale of time :( SatuSuro 08:53, 17 June 2008 (UTC) gmail to answer that SatuSuro 08:56, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

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Yeah, you're right about the Icehouse Lead: I'll get back to it soon. I'm working on the discog sectn - got to make a singles wikitable. I can't find out whether they've disbanded but Iva Davies was described as the "former" frontman of Icehouse when introduced on the recent Seven Network tv show Battle of the Choirs on Sunday.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 21:54, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm currently working on the studio album's wikitable tracking down obscure chart posis and deleting unnecessary cols. Sorry that I rolled right over your recent edit: there was a confict and I steam-rolled yours out of the way!

BTW, I've learnt that the 2005 release Street Cafe and the Remix Hits is just the 2002 Meltdown remixes album with a slightly different track order.

There's a lot of confusion out there because of remixes, remasters and renames of albums.

A good list of releases up to c. 2000 is at M J Foot's Icehouse discography unfortunately all the remix/remasters bloomed c. 2002.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 03:18, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


 * You're right about the album articles needing work, some could be merged, order and links between articles needs fixing: I was going to go there after wikitabling the discog but looks to be taking longer than I'd thought: so go for it.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 04:02, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The bottom of the discog page I'm working on has some ext lnks you might like to use.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 04:36, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

"Icehouse" (song) was released as a single outside Australia (reached #28 in US Mains, charted in UK but I haven't tracked its posi) (I've just started the singles list over at my sandbox). It was released OS by Chrysalis in about June 1981 under band name Icehouse and was accompanied by their first Russell Mulcahy video clip (I haven't got around to vids yet) and was shown just once on ABC's Countdown: something about nightmares / Molly being miffed but can't find a good ref. "Love in Motion" was first new material recorded under Icehouse name but was actually recorded by Iva Davies between one gig in London and the next, it was added to the UK version of Primitive Man which was renamed Love in Motion.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 05:52, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I've created the Icehouse discography article. It's not yet B-class: needs more Lead, more Certifications and further work. I've also pruned the discography sectn of Icehouse and see that you've been busy at albums and singles: good work.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 11:28, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

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The Dargies
Hi, Dan. It's not that I'm all that interested in the Dargies as such, but I regularly trawl through Australian articles for improvements, and these were the next on my list. I do remember Horrie Dargie being a big name in the early days of Aus TV (late 50s/early 60s), and I knew enough about him to know that "Horace William Dargie" would mean little to most older readers, whereas "Horrie Dargie" would send a few light bulbs flashing. Most people would recognise William's famous yellow-dress portrait of the young Queen - now probably found only in places like RSL clubs and country sheds - but few could name the painter, which is a shame. Cheers. -- JackofOz (talk) 02:30, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, it depends on how notability is defined, I guess. Ask a passing stranger who Horrie Dargie was, and 95 out of 100 would have no idea.  But ask someone who was around when he was a big name, like me (OK, I have to grudgingly accept I'm "middle-aged" these days), that's something different.  But really, I have no more knowledge of him than my memories of seeing his Quintet of harmonicas playing on early TV.  A bit passe these days, but they were great in their day.  Thanks for evoking some very nostalgic memories of my boyhood.  Horrie and William are on my watchlist now, so I'll fiddle with them from time to time.  --  JackofOz (talk) 03:33, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Love in Motion
My theory is to move all the relevant material from UK's Love in Motion to the Primitive Man article then the former article can be merged into the latter, (but I don't know exactly how to get such a merger going). My justification is that the 1983 album's article now adds little extra information and is not notable enough in its own right: otherwise we'll have to have about ten articles for all the varieties of "Great Southern Land" / Great Southern Land / Ghost of Time. Nearly every Flowers/Icehouse release had multiple varieties in different markets: where does one draw the line? For my money, the original Aus release gets the article with subsections describing any notable varieties. Do you see any reason to keep this Love in Motion as a separate article?

"Love in Motion" as a single should eventually get its own article, compilation album Love in Motion article should remain as a separate entry.

I'm not sure yet whether Heroes should be merged into The Berlin Tapes. It is virtually a reissue/compilation of the latter and its content could be transferred over. What do you think?

BTW, is it Keith Forsey or Keith Welsh who plays bass and sings vocals for Flowers on Icehouse?Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:53, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the chart posi updates at their discog, I assume any individual articles will be changed, if needed, as you/I get to them. I'm still trawling around Icehouse, Primitive Man and moving towards Sidewalk. In case you haven't seen the Official website has just been reactivated: this gives me more to search and independently verify: I'm still looking for a complete tracklisting of Bi-Polar Poems.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 02:35, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Art Deco - Western Australia
Yup, will prepare a list of buildings, as requested. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 08:14, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Battye - henrietta has about 17 items when searched - World Congress on Art Deco (2nd : 1993 : Perth, W.A) Title 	Deco down under : art deco then and now, preservation in the nineties : the Second World Congress on Art Deco, Perth, Western Australia, 1-5 October, 1993. Published 	[Perth, W.A.] : Art Deco Society of Western Australia, [1993] Descript'n 	[64] p. : ill., 2 maps ; 30 cm. Note 	Cover title. Editor: Robyn Taylor. - cheers

BTW - the court building is against barrack street - Im talking about the building across from the librayr now musuem building on the james street mall - the court building was the sight of anti conscription and nasho demos in the early 1970's btw SatuSuro 14:16, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Icehouse
Yeah I wasn't too happy with the "Walls" images either: I think the NZ version is same as Icehouse by Flowers with the song title Walls at top right, in place of album title Icehouse - but the image I've got was too small to see it any better (or my eyesight is going). I think this the last material released under the name Flowers: but I haven't put that into the stub article, yet. I think Walls was also B-side to other singles: more to track down there. I've also got more tracking to do on "Icehouse" - I believe it was a B-side to Flowers' "We Can Get Together" European release.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 11:45, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

2008 ARIA Hall of Fame
I've just added a couple of CATs and brief details of the HoF show last night to individual act's articles: based on ARIA press release. I've seen some footage on our arvo news, some on-line. Over here they seem to be emphasising Rolf Harris' emotional reaction: I'd've liked to see more of Snarski on "Red Pony" or Kilbey on "Wide Open Road".Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:04, 2 July 2008 (UTC)


 * In honour of The Triffids induction I've added a photo (creative commons: so its legal) to the article showing David front stage performing live in Belgium: I hope you enjoy!Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:34, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

We should be so lucky
That we have what we have at the project at this time - my little reflection at the noticeboard is not knocking your idea - just i reckon the state we are in is particularly unusual - active eds who actually get on ok and we seem to be working ok - I suspect we'd need double the number of known active and talking eds to have a collab thingo work SatuSuro 03:45, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Yep maybe it would work - but hey prjects portals and things go mysteriously silent so easily - it is in effect a damned good idea but hey dont let me stop it in any way - i know my time is cut out i have just found about 500 problem laden indonesian edits that will keep me away from regularl west oz stuff and so many people have real life invade their edit time - hard to know when to say yes and also keep an eye on the limits of temporal challenges :) SatuSuro 04:11, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

There is a particular sort of editor that can do that stuff better than others - it gets down to online personality - some outwardly normal people turn into animals onlne - while some very weird ones in real life turn out to be brilliant online creatures - bit like whether youre hearing peter sellers speak the beatle lyrics of a hards days night - or captain beefheart's trout mask era ambience - one cn be like one on one side of the coin - or ther vice versa etc - similarly edit style and capacity of some is meticulously stayng with the one thing for weeks one end - or my style - more threads than there angels on a pinhead :) SatuSuro 04:31, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Earthquake
I remember it well i was on a second story at school and my maths teacher called out its an earthquake fella's and he rushed out before we knew what was going on :) SatuSuro 10:14, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Love in Motion
How's the status of the Love in Motion (1983 album)? Has all its important content gone over to Love in Motion? ie. is it ready to be sub-mergered into Primitive Man? I've put some re-directs at both Love in Motion and at "Love in Motion"; and updated the disamb page at Love in Motion.

In a similar way I'm still working on Great Southern Land and "Great Southern Land" they are both complicated by numerous versions for different markets including Ghost of Time as an Iva Davies' solo release.

I see that Meltdown was also released under a different name Street Cafe and other remixes for German release. I haven't got around to putting all those details together.

I still haven't decided about The Berlin Tapes and Heroes: should they be merged too?

Finally, "Walls" may have been released as a single ex-Oz after all but I haven't confirmed it nor got a better photo for the infobox.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 08:45, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Eleventh He Reaches London‎
Hey Dan, FYI I have prodded this article because I don't believe the band meets the notability guideline. Regards, Somno (talk) 01:42, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The article looks a lot better, but I'm still not convinced the band meets WP:MUSIC. Most of the references would be classed as trivial or non-reliable (e.g., one's a forum), they've only toured locally or as a support band, haven't won any major awards or charted on a national music chart. What do you think? By the way, apologies for distracting you from articles about notable buildings back to articles about music! Somno (talk) 09:43, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

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Old Perth Technical School
Bravo for this article! I've done some proofing and added a par on the 1985 controversy over proposed demolition. One day we'll get a better lit picture, eh? Btw, after the 20-odd years of dereliction, I was delighted to see lights on and other signs of habitation in your pic! Cheers Bjenks (talk) 11:46, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

List of Art Deco buildings in Perth
I'm chasing up more references from the local society (Vyonne Geneve & Ron Facius) You can also ring Jean Clark at their office for more information (9332-7693). I guess you've seen the website. I'll also look through some back numbers of the journal Waltzing Moderne for information. Will also alert some people who might be able to help in the longer term. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 07:51, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * For me the Emu issue like the Esplanade require listing - even if they are no longer there - will just have to be careful in the description SatuSuro 08:25, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * In the end i dont mind if you take it off - maybe there is a diff list again - demolished buildings of perth - almost the whole of the terrace could be listed :(  SatuSuro 08:57, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Now that would be a 'huge' task to take on - happy to leave with the comment - was thinking of adding both the Metro and Plaza Theatres both since demolished as well. Dan arndt (talk) 09:04, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Knew both of them and miss them :( SatuSuro 09:07, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * George Herbert Parry, FWIW Gnangarra 10:24, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * should have explained more he was prominent architect during the period, I was just high lighting an associated article that already existed. Gnangarra 08:36, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Dont forget
To come back :) SatuSuro 09:24, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

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Hey man you win some you lose some - theres alway ways of getting things back in the loop SatuSuro 02:08, 2 August 2008 (UTC) For some things its gotta be very yoda like logic - be thak ful what hasnt been taken away - and know when to turn away while the ghouls feast - and to know when to catch the breeze to float to another ledge above the precipice - :( SatuSuro 02:13, 2 August 2008 (UTC)  Thank god somebody understands me - hey best of good lucj then SatuSuro 02:18, 2 August 2008 (UTC)  Take a look at some of the stuff on my user page - I'm sitting on a project with possible about a thousand potential N issues - I just hope that the carrion collecting buzzards dont ever do the porject over, otherwise im off to knitting socks in front of the tv :) - or more likely off to the sub projects where they cant speak the language - wikisource/commons etc SatuSuro 02:24, 2 August 2008 (UTC)  Indonesian - my user pge has links everywhere to try to keep the thng from mploding under its own ministrations of cretins from all sides :( SatuSuro 02:37, 2 August 2008 (UTC)  Daily nightmare mate SatuSuro 03:30, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Welcome back
To the zoo - some internees have continued along as usual, others move on and gnang got some good art deo piccies - yesterdays west page 60 had stuff on the hay street plaza pictures history too - cheers SatuSuro 02:00, 31 July 2008 (UTC) I have a copy - will keep it SatuSuro 02:13, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Welcome back, I'll get images on the rest of those you have listed in the coming week or so. Also those couple of images that got deleted, if you have the information let one of us Admin knows we can restore rather than you re-uploading. Gnangarra 08:55, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ the image restoration Gnangarra 09:41, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
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Kylemore
Interesting what one finds when driving around the burbs, Kylemore built 1938 designed by Horace Costello Gnangarra 11:20, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Please see
My comments at the wa project noticeboard re roads - also (abc radionational this arvo had in by design some stuff about art deco - i dont knw if by design program endss wup with transcripts or not) SatuSuro 08:52, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

My bottom line (not wikipedia or others) is if there are refs on something - specially from state ref library catalogue for local items - then to me it is defendable. No cites or online sources I usually walk away :( - there is a brilliant leunig cartoon about sitting on the fence :) SatuSuro 11:07, 13 August 2008 (UTC)