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Danciu  este un nume de familie originar din Romania care s-a format prin adaugarea la prenumele Dan a sufixului  “ciu” (нчу) care provine cel mai probabil  din limba bulgara, unde este folosit pentru a forma diminutivele sau apelativele familiare, afectuose. Acest sufix se adauga la sfarsitul unui substantiv sau al unui nume propriu pentru a exprima o forma de afectiune, familiaritate, de obicei la numele copiilor de sex masculin. Exemple: Ivan (Иван)-Ivanciu(Иванчу), Marin (Марин)- Marinciu(Маринчу), Stan (Стан)- Stanciu(Станчу),etc.. Aceasta practica a disparut ,ultima data fiind intalnita la jumatatea secolului al XX-lea in comunitatile mixte de romani si bulgari sau romani care au trait la sud de Dunare pana in anul 1940, astazi fiind intalnite  numele care au dobandit aceasta forma in trecut si care au devenit  cu timpul nume de familie. Foarte probabil si cuvantul unchi isi datoreaza forma actuala tot aceste practici treceand din forma latineasca “avunculus” in “unculus”, “unclu”, “uncciu”, “unchiu”, “unchiul”  iar In limba bulgara unchi  ciccio (Чичо). Daca privim la natiunile din jurul Romaniei observam ca croatii cehii  si  slovacii  utilizeaza astazi  pentru unchi o forma care pleaca din aceiasi radacina, probabil croata(croatii au trait undeva deasupra teritoriului de astazi al Romaniei  si anume  in parti pe actualele  teritoritorii  ale  Slovaciei, Cehiei, Ungariei  si Ucrainei ,  pana in anul 610 cand s-au deplasat in mare majoritate in Dalmatia unde s-au stabilit). De asemnea observam ca limbile rusa, ucrainiana si turca au adoptat forme care vin cel mai probabil dintr-o limba indoeuropeana straveche .Numai sarbii, romanii si bulgarii utilizeaza forme care pleaca de la acelasi cuvant, “avunculus” din limba latina , iar daca sarbii folosesc o forma transformata dupa reguli specific limbii lor ,bulgarii si romanii  au adoptat o forma creata in urma adaugarii sufuxului “ciu” (нчу) , ceea ce face ca teoria prind utilizarea sufuxului, perioada  si zona in care afacut sa aiba sens. Limba ceha – stryc Limba slovaka – stryko Limba croata – stric Limba Sarba – ujka Limba ucrainiana – diadko Limba rusa – dyadya Limba turca – dayi Putem trage concluzia ca bulgarescul “ciccio” s-a format ca urmare  adaugarii sufixului “ciu” la forma provenita din limba latina a cuvantului, asa cum am aratat mai sus si care a avut loc in aceiasi perioada, dupa secolul al VI-lea,  ramanand pana astazi in limba romana “unchi” iar in limba bulgara “ciccio”

Acest nume a aparut dupa sexcolul al VI-lea  pe fondul  influentei bulgare pe teritoriul actualei Romanii si a teritoriilor invecinate. In istoria Romaniei numele Danciu il  intalnim   pentru prima data in  consemnari din  prima jumatate a secolului al XV-lea  facand referire la Danciu, fiul cel mare al lui Dan al II-lea, nepot al lui Dan I si tatal lui Vladislav al II-le si Dan al III-lea, facand parte din ramura Danestilor a dinastiei  Basarabilor, care dupa unii istorici  se pare ca nu a domnit niciodata  si care a fost  ucis pe 1 iulie 1440 de catre Vlad Dracul. In povestirile germane ale epocii, poema lui Michael Boheim, o povestire despre Dracula Voda  mentioneaza un anume “Der junge Dan”, un pretendent la  domnie  , copilul unui domnitor si cel mai probabil  trebuie sa fi facut  referire la Danciu , copilul unui domnitor. Danciu, copilul unui domnitor pe nume Dan, tradus in germana “der Junge Dan”  .. Izvoare si Informatii clare despre toate acestea nu exista iar istoricii de pana acum au imbratisat idea ca “der Junge Dan” este un pretendent la tron, insemnand “tanarul Dan”  si nu “Dan cel Tanar”, lucru oarecum firesc pentru ca daca Danciu sau Der Junge Dan ar fi capatat domnia, s-ar fi renuntat la numele Danciu, devenind  Dan al IV-lea, al V-lea , in functie de pozitia sa in lantul descendentilor lui Dan I. In mod eronat  s-a cosiderat ca acest nume vine de la Danci, care inseamna copil de tigan, ceea ce este putin probabil ca  un domnitor   al acelor vremuri sa-si  numeasca copilul, pretendent la tron, “Danci” , tinand cont de modul cum erau perceputi de socieatea de atunci  noii veniti. In mod eronat, s-a  considerat ca  numele Danciu   vine din limba tiganeseasca de la “den ci”, adica “da-mi ceva”, dupa cum este explicat in editia a VI-a a Dictionarului explicativ al limbii romane si preluata ulterior de urmatoarele editii. Cel mai probabil acest apelativ s-a format dupa secolul al IX-lea, anul in care tiganii au venit pe teritoriul actual al Romaniei prin numirea copiilor care cerseau care trebuia sa faca asta in limba celor carora incerca sa le stimuleze generozitatea , limbla vlahilor cu inflenta mare de latina si care o faceau utilizand imperativul la singular al verbului “a da” al limbii latine  , “da”. O persoana care cere, repetand de multe ori cuvantul “da” poate fi numit “Da”  iar cu agaugarea sufixului “ciu” (нчу) pentru ca cei care cerseau erau probabil in mare majoritate copii , se ajunge la apelativul “Daciu”, “Danci”, “Donci”,” Denci”, “Danciu” , etc.. primind forme dupa reguli de mult uitate si ne mentionate, in functie de regiuni si de vremuri. Dat fiind rasismul in forma bruta al vremurilor, termenul s-a consacrat  in a denumi asa copii de tigani, lautarii, s.a.  Deoarece  pentru alegerea numelui unui copil, intotdeauna parintii s-au oprit la  nume care sa inspire putere, frumusete, bunastare, forta, noroc  sau numele altor personalitati  déjà existente in religie, istorie, cultura, este imposibil ca  copilul lui Dan al II-lea ar fi primit un nume care era folosit in epoca ca  apelativ al  cersetorilor…. In alta ordine de idei, este foarte interesant ca un nume care care a aparut dupa secolul al VI-lea, este intalnit astazi in numar foarte mare in zona de nord a Romaniei si anume in Maramures (Viseu ,Borsa, Sacel, Cernesti) dar si in alte zone ale Transilvaniei, pentru ca asta poate face dovada, daca mai era nevoie,  ca polulatia de romani/vlahi a avut continuitate in Transilvania, invalidand teoriile care sustin ca  aceasta zona nu a fost locuita in momentrul in care triburile hungare au sosit in zona ,incepand cu sfarsitul secolului al IX-lea.

Danciu is a surname originating from Romania, which was formed by adding the suffix "ciu" (нчу) to the given name Dan. This suffix most likely comes from the Bulgarian language, where it is used to form diminutives or familiar, affectionate names. This suffix is added to the end of a noun or proper name to express a form of affection or familiarity, usually for the names of male children. Examples include: Ivan (Иван) - Ivanciu (Иванчу), Marin (Марин) - Marinciu (Маринчу), Stan (Стан) - Stanciu (Станчу), etc. This practice disappeared, last seen in the mid-20th century in mixed communities of Romanians and Bulgarians or Romanians who lived south of the Danube until 1940. Today, names that acquired this form in the past have become family names.

It is very likely that the word "uncle" also owes its current form to these practices, transitioning from the Latin form "avunculus" to "unculus", "unclu", "uncciu", "unchiu", "unchiul" and in Bulgarian "uncle" ciccio (Чичо). If we look at the nations around Romania, we see that Croats, Czechs, and Slovaks use today for "uncle" a form that comes from the same root, probably Croatian (the Croats lived somewhere above the current territory of Romania, namely in parts of the current territories of Slovakia, Czechia, Hungary, and Ukraine, until 610 when they mostly moved to Dalmatia where they settled). We also observe that Russian, Ukrainian, and Turkish languages have adopted forms that most likely come from an ancient Indo-European language. Only Serbs, Romanians, and Bulgarians use forms derived from the same word, "avunculus" from Latin, and while the Serbs use a form transformed according to the rules specific to their language, Bulgarians and Romanians adopted a form created by adding the suffix "ciu" (нчу), which makes the theory of the use of the suffix, the period, and the area make sense.

Czech language – stryc Slovak language – stryko Croatian language – stric Serbian language – ujka Ukrainian language – diadko Russian language – dyadya Turkish language – dayi

We can conclude that the Bulgarian "ciccio" was formed by adding the suffix "ciu" to the Latin form of the word, as we showed above, and which took place after the 6th century, remaining until today in Romanian as "uncle" and in Bulgarian as "ciccio".

This name appeared after the 6th century due to Bulgarian influence on the territory of present-day Romania and neighboring territories. In the history of Romania, the name Danciu appears for the first time in records from the first half of the 15th century, referring to Danciu, the eldest son of Dan II, grandson of Dan I and father of Vladislav II and Dan III, part of the Danesti branch of the Basarab dynasty, who according to some historians seems never to have ruled and who was killed on July 1, 1440, by Vlad Dracul. In the German stories of the era, the poem by Michael Boheim, a story about Dracula Voda, mentions a certain "Der junge Dan," a claimant to the throne, child of a ruler and most probably referring to Danciu, child of a ruler named Dan, translated into German as "der Junge Dan." There are no clear sources and information about this, and historians have so far embraced the idea that "der Junge Dan" is a claimant to the throne, meaning "the young Dan" and not "Dan the Young," which is somewhat natural because if Danciu or Der Junge Dan had gained the throne, he would have renounced the name Danciu, becoming Dan IV, V, depending on his position in the line of descendants of Dan I.

It was erroneously considered that this name comes from "Danci," which means a gypsy child, which is unlikely for a ruler of those times to name his child, a claimant to the throne, "Danci," considering how newcomers were perceived by society at the time. It was also erroneously considered that the name Danciu comes from the gypsy language "den ci," meaning "give me something," as explained in the sixth edition of the Explanatory Dictionary of the Romanian Language and subsequently adopted by the following editions. This appellative most likely formed after the 9th century when gypsies came to the territory of present-day Romania, naming begging children who had to do this in the language of those whose generosity they were trying to stimulate, the Vlach language with a great Latin influence, using the singular imperative of the Latin verb "to give," "da." A person who begs, repeating the word "da" many times can be called "Da," and with the addition of the suffix "ciu" (нчу), since beggars were probably mostly children, one arrives at the appellative "Daciu," "Danci," "Donci," "Denci," "Danciu," etc., receiving forms according to long-forgotten rules and unmentioned, depending on regions and times. Given the raw racism of the times, the term became established to denote gypsy children, musicians, etc.

Since for choosing a child's name, parents have always stopped at names that inspire power, beauty, prosperity, strength, luck, or the names of other already existing personalities in religion, history, culture, it is impossible that the child of Dan II would have received a name used at the time as an appellative for beggars.

In other words, it is very interesting that a name that appeared after the 6th century is found today in large numbers in the northern area of Romania, specifically in Maramureș (Vișeu, Borșa, Săcel, Cernesti) but also in other areas of Transylvania, as this can prove, if it was still needed, that the population of Romanians/Vlachs had continuity in Transylvania, invalidating theories that claim this area was uninhabited when Hungarian tribes arrived, starting at the end of the 9th century.

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Romanian Family name Danciu Ionel (talk) 01:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)