User talk:Danger/Archive 5

List of convicted computer criminals
Not sure if this is your cup of tea but I need a skilled hand to fix this page. It almost made FAL but was held back because of bad grammar, inconsistency, etc. Needs a good copyedit to whip it into shape! I'd do it but most of the problems on the page are caused by me. Me no good at english -- Esemono (talk) 06:38, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. I'll get going on this tomorrow when I'm back to my Dvorak keyboard. --Gimme danger (talk) 19:20, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * So, having a keyboard is nice and all, but it has to be connected to the interwebs. Got everything up and running and did a twice over on your list. I probably had a reason for everything I did, but explaining would take ten times longer than doing; if you have any questions, concerns, or need to inform me that I accidentally translated the article into Assyrian, please contact me! I'll leave it to simmer for a day or so and come back for another look. Cheers, Gimme danger (talk) 19:36, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Outline update - Good news and bad news - 06/08/2009
The big push continues.

And it seems to be working!

The good news is that there's growing support for outlines, and there are more editors than ever editing them!

The bad news is that the complainers are disproportionately represented on the project's various talk pages. While many editors work diligently on the front end, a handful of complainers are trying to tear down the project behind the scenes. Fortunately, barely enough supporters have been watching those pages that no consensus for moving or merging the outlines has succeeded. So far...

Big problem: ignorance of what outlines are for and their benefits
Most of the opposition seems to be unaware of the complete range of what outlines are used for. They just don't get it.

This is why it is important to complete the outline article draft. An article with a comprehensive treatment of outlines would be the perfect place to refer anybody unfamiliar with outlines to.

Opposers also don't seem to understand how outlines differ from some other page type that they prefer. Some think articles are good enough as an overview, others think portals are more in-depth, still others think categories or navigation boxes are the most efficient and useful way to organize and present topical information. Some have simply never seen an "Outline of" page before and think they are a new type of page (they've been around under other names since 2001).

If you run across anyone who doesn't understand the role of outlines on Wikipedia, Why do we have outlines in addition to...? might help reduce their misconceptions or uncertainties about outlines.

On the bright side, you've got to see this...
To add the outlines and related support pages to your watchlist (takes less than 30 seconds), cut and paste them from WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Watchlist into your raw watchlist. For a way to improve the display of your watchlist - by namespace (very useful) - see Watchlist sorter, or use the "super fast upgrade" at WP:OTS.

Or go to WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Watchlist using Related changes (currently without the talk pages) and click on "Related changes" in the toolbox menu on the sidebar on the left side of your screen.

The big push
The big push started with about a thousand banners and notices being placed on article talk pages all over Wikipedia.

But it didn't stop there...

Welcome our new members...
The following Wikipedians have joined the OOK team.

Be sure to stop by their talk pages and introduce yourselves.


 * Tarheel95 - going after the Main Page.
 * Vivio Testarossa / Feinoha - here to help.
 * Burningview - made a splash at MfD with WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Drafts/Outline of British Columbia (see the talk page for the MfD link - lots of support there).

Enter the mentors!
I asked a bunch of mentors at WP:ADOPT for advice. Several of them answered on my talk page. Most of those who replied were happy to help, and posted some very good ideas. A couple even joined the project.

Here are their ideas, and what is being done about them. A few of the tasks still need volunteers:


 * Strdst grl: Create and place project banners - already ✅
 * Strdst grl & The Earwig: put an animated ad for the project in WP:BANNER - Our graphics specialist Penubag is looking into it.
 * Strdst grl: Create a userbox for the project - assigned to Penubag.
 * Garden: Ask to have outlines added to next year's WikiCup competition - ✅ (proposal posted)
 * Tarheel95: Add a link to Portal:Contents/Outline of knowledge to the Main Page - Tarheel95 is taking on the creation of the proposal
 * SriMesh: Create an outreach subpage to WPOOK - ✅ (invitation coming soon, see below)
 * SriMesh: (Create a newsletter archive subpage) - ✅
 * SriMesh: Add a feed to AlexNewArtBot to gather links to new outlines and post them on a page. Then personally invite new creators to the project. - who wants to tackle the feed?
 * SriMesh: Assign someone to monitor the outlines via watchlist, and invite new outline editors to the project - any volunteers?
 * Related: Create an invitation - Penubag is working on it.
 * SriMesh: Create Template:Expand outline similar to Template:Expand list, which adds each outline it is posted on to Category:Incomplete outlines, where editors (who are browsing the categories) can find them and work on them - to be assigned
 * SriMesh: Add the above template to incomplete outlines - upcoming AWB task
 * The Earwig: "Tell your wikifriends about it" - I've told mine, have you told yours?
 * The Earwig: "Collaborate with other WikiProjects" - we've been doing this from the start (each outline is associated with at least one other WikiProject).
 * : move the projected outline to a subpage of WP:WPOOK - ✅

Linking to outlines has begun
To the tops of about 30 subject articles, I placed a test batch of hatnotes leading to the corresponding outlines. The hatnotes look like this:


 * For a topical guide to this subject, see Outline of X.(Hidden: <!- PLEASE LEAVE THIS LINE IN PLACE because it leads to the page that serves as the table of contents for Wikipedia's overall coverage of this subject. Thank you.-->

The rationale for the hatnotes is that each outline is a topical guide for its subject, and since tables of contents go at the front of a book, a link to each outline should be placed at the front of its subject.

Unfortunately, not all editors agree. Some of the hatnotes have already disappeared. :(

Some past discussions pertaining to the existence or location of outlines
Note that the "Lists of topics" are of two types, including outlines and indexes, so discussions to remove, move, or merge those are usually relevant to the OOK. Also, outlines are a type of list, so discussions that affect lists in general also pertain to outlines. We've got to be on our toes!


 * Move navigational lists to portal namespace
 * Articles for deletion/Outline of Islamic and Muslim related topics
 * Articles for deletion/Outline of South Africa
 * Articles for deletion/List of basic visual arts and design topics
 * Articles for deletion/List of basic mining topics
 * Articles for deletion/List of basic management topics
 * Articles for deletion/List of basic industrial topics
 * Articles for deletion/List of basic computer science topics
 * Articles for deletion/List of basic Canada topics
 * User talk:The Transhumanist/Archive 21
 * Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Drafts/Outline of British Columbia
 * Talk:Switzerland
 * Outline of science converted to redirect by Dbachmann
 * Village pump (policy)/Archive 64
 * Administrators' noticeboard/Archive193
 * Village pump (proposals)/Archive 47

I've excluded links to live discussions, out of respect for WP:CANVASS.

Table of contents to OOK-related stuff
Here's a directory of outline support pages:


 * Portal:Contents/Outline of knowledge
 * Lists
 * WP:CLN
 * Stand-alone lists
 * Outlines
 * Why do we have outlines in addition to...?
 * Comparison of Wikipedia's and Britannica's outlines of knowledge
 * WP:WPOOK
 * WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Projected outline

Keep up the great work!
The Transhumanist 03:32, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

WPOOK advert banner under development, here's the beta...
Thank you to those who suggested WPOOK have an animated advert banner. Penubag got working on it right away. Here's what he's come up with so far:

Penubag needs feedback.

I've posted a few changes for him to make to it.

Please post additional comments and suggestions for him at User talk:Penubag.

Thank you.

The Transhumanist 02:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Need help explaining WikiCup proposal
I posted a proposal to add outlines to next year's WikiCup, and nobody there seems to understand outlines.

Help.

The Transhumanist 04:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Outline collaboration!
As you know, Penubag is working on a banner to advertise the Outline WikiProject. And he's almost done.

The banner prominently presents the "Outline of chocolate", which of course will become the most widely advertised outline as soon as the banner goes live. The first thing many editors will do after seeing the banner is look for that outline.

The problem is, we don't have one.

So that's our first outline collaboration!

I started a draft this morning.

It needs to be finished and moved to the article namespace before we can start using Penubag's banner ad!

Come join in on the fun. It's chocolate!

The Transhumanist 21:53, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Gimme Danger
Have you found any really good outlines that could be converted to OOK format easily?

If not, keep your eyes open for them. I came across some, but I can't remember their names.

The Transhumanist 02:22, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Adoptee?
Hi GD. You offered to adopt me back in 2007. Are you still interested in helping? Ploughstar (talk) 11:35, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, of course I am still interested. I have a few questions for you. What do you need help with? What are you interested in doing here at Wikipedia? Please answer these questions here on my talk page and then we'll go from there. --Gimme danger (talk) 21:51, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * When I read something on Wiki which I believe to be inaccurate I feel moved to correct it. I want to understand properly what I am doing. I have some time on my hands at the moment and I'd rather make a contribution than make a mess. I would value your constructive criticism. I work in television and have a professional interest in media and entertainment. I have a private interest in the Integral movement, notably Ken Wilbur and David Deida. Ploughstar (talk) 10:44, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If I understand you correctly, you mean that you'd like to make occasional contributions to articles related to your areas of interest and correct mistakes in other articles as you encounter them. Therefore (sort of thinking out loud here), you need to know what we're aiming for in Wikipedia articles in terms of core principles (verifiability, neutrality) and manual of style concerns. Also since your private area of interest is one with great potential for heated debate (not that we at Wikipedia can't have fights over, say, punctuation in articles about English villages, but core philosophies do tend to bring out the bite in some editors), you may want guidance in talk page guidelines, Wikipedian culture and conflict resolution.
 * How does that sound?
 * Additionally, there are a few ways that we could do this adoption thing, in terms of format, and the way depends on what you'd like to do. One, I could set up a seat for you in my adoption classroom and write semi-formal lesson-type things for you to read/do. On the opposite end of the formality spectrum, you could simply ask me questions when you want help and I won't interfere at all otherwise (I've found this approach hasn't worked well with any adoptees in the past, but if it's the way you prefer to work it could be ideal). I could also periodically review your edits and make comments about them. How would you like this relationship to work? --Gimme danger (talk) 01:15, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * A seat in the classroom for semi-formal lesson-type things sounds the most practical. I'm also happy to apply myself to the nether regions of English village punctuation or anything else in the course of my own learning progress.Ploughstar (talk) 09:42, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

WPOOK's advert banner is done!


Is it perfect? Can it be improved?

Penubag loves feedback. Please let him know if it can be further improved.

Thank you.

The Transhumanist 22:59, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

A Barnstar

 * Thank you! --Gimme danger (talk) 17:42, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Outline update - Full Steam Ahead! - 06/18/2009
Several members of the WikiProject have been hard at work.

Buaidh has been building and refining the outlines on the U.S. States, the states' historical outlines, and the Historical outline of the United States. Lately, his edits have dominated the project's watchlist readout. (I think he's overdue for a barnstar or two. hint hint)

Penubag has been working on medals for all the main branches of the OOK, and has completed the OOK WikiProject's animated advert banner (see below).

Highfields has been filling in the currencies for each country on their respective outlines.

NuclearWarfare and Thehelpfulone have been busy with WP:AWB, posting banners and notices, and helping our sister project, the Index WikiProject, get established. Indexes work hand-in-hand with the outlines and are prominently linked to from the top of most of them. And the outlines, which serve as tables of contents, are only as good as the pages they link to.

Since we started integrating (linking) the OOK and its support pages into the encyclopedia and into the Wikipedia community, activity on outlines has been increasing. Though there's still much left to do.

But I digress. There are a couple more...

Welcome our new members! Stefan and MacMed
Stefan is building the Outline of sharks.

MacMed has joined our advanced wiki-tools team, and is currently adding links to outlines in the corresponding subject articles' see also sections.

Be sure to stop by their talk pages and say "hi".

WPOOK's advert banner has gone live!
Penubag has finished this WikiProject's animated advert banner, and it is now being displayed on the Wikipedia ads template which in turn is displayed on about 2000 user pages. Each time someone access one of those pages, there is a 1 in 184 chance of them viewing this:

If you'd like to display the banner on your userpage locked-on to the ad as above, use the following code:

 

(By the way, it's been awhile since we've barnstarred Penubag).

Watchers needed!
If you haven't already, please add the entire project's watchlist to your watchlist. Here's how:


 * From the edit window, copy and paste WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Watchlist into your raw watchlist.


 * Or go to WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Watchlist using Related changes and click on "Related changes" in the toolbox menu in Wikipedia's sidebar on the left hand side of the screen.

Check the watchlist every time you log on!
I forgot to mention this step above. :)

The OOK is in 5 other Wikipedias?
I can't make heads or tails of 'em, but these links were on Portal:Contents/Outline of knowledge:


 * ar:ويكيبيديا:مواضيع أساسية
 * fa:پورتال:فهرست موضوعات پایه
 * pl:Przegląd dziedzin wiedzy
 * pt:Portal:Conteúdo/Esboço do conhecimento
 * zh-yue:基礎課題表清單

Resurrected from the grave yard...
I discovered an AfD discussion on possibly the first article named "Outline of", which was called Outline of Islamic and Muslim related topics, and which was created 4 years ago. Of course they deleted it. But now it has many friends, and so it has risen from the dead. :)

See the DRV discussion at Deletion review/Log/2009 June 7.

A diamond buried in project space

 * When G716 found the page "Learn" tucked away as a subpage of the Probability WikiProject, he thought "This deserves to be in the article space", and moved it to the encyclopedia. See Outline of probability.

Recruiting
Recruiters needed. Drop me a note if you are interested.

Advice from the mentors

 * Astatine-210, Strdst grl, and Willscrlt - link to the outlines from the corresponding subject articles' see also sections - this is underway by MacMed (non-country outlines) and User talk:NuclearWarfare (counry outlines).
 * Astatine-210 - add a link to the outlines to the disambiguation pages of the corresponding subjects - good idea. Since "Outline" is just the type of page, not the subject, I think these might qualify for inclusion on disambiguation pages. We need someone to look into the relevant guidelines on this.
 * SimonTrew - provide a badge (userbox) for WPOOK members to add to their user pages - Penubag will have one for us soon.
 * Zachary crimsonwolf - create a card explaining outlines, and send it to everyone you know, and make it viral (by including a request for the recipients to send the card to everyone they know) - this task has been split in three:
 * Creation of a "thank you for your interest" card which introduces (explains) outlines, to send to queriers, new participants to discussions, those who seem to be confused about outlines, etc.
 * Creation of a thank you card / invitation to the WPOOK, to send to users we see working on outlines, including a request for them to invite others whom they think might be interested


 * weebiloobil - contact Wikignomes - OK...
 * 3. Creation of an invitation to Wikignomes, with a brief rundown on the types of tasks there are for them to do on the outlines. The invitation will include a request for them to invite anyone they think would enjoy working on outlines.


 * weebiloobil - add examples to Outlines - more examples will be added as suitable outlines are completed
 * weebiloobil - add a picture to Outlines (it doesn't have to be relevant), to provide atmosphere and to break it up visually and add a splash of color - will do, and we'll add a caption to make it relevant, with a link to the outline on that subject. Thank you for the idea.
 * Zachary crimsonwolf - ask Jimbo Wales to bestow the award(s) for the country outlines contest, once you get it going first - we'll give that a try
 * Zachary crimsonwolf - ask everyone in the project to inform their acquaintances around Wikipedia about the OOK - will do, as soon as the cards
 * UzEE - collaborate with all the WikiProjects you share scope with - we've placed a banner on their talk pages, and have placed task notices on some. We'll be posting more tasks, and plan to create a section on contents system development and maintenance for each WikiProject page itself.
 * SriMesh - if you can't get outlines added to next year's WikiCup, then create your own WikiCup-like contest - there's 6 months left to this year to address reservations and work out the details at WikiCup. In the meantime, there's the 200-WikiProject contest, which needs input.

More outline tasks

 * WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Drafts/Outline of chocolate draft - our current outline collaboration!
 * Outline of psychology - someone moved a big chunk of this article to the talk page, leaving a big gap in the outline. Editors are needed to add subheadings and links.
 * See also links - add (where "x" is the subject) to the see also section of the corresponding subject article of each outline

New outlines in article space

 * Outline of sharks - under construction in article space
 * Outline of Hinduism (converted from "List of Hinduism-related topics")

New outline drafts

 * Outline of chocolate
 * Outline of Christianity

Main discussion pages

 * Wikipedia talk:Outlines
 * Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Outline of knowledge
 * Portal talk:Contents/Outline of knowledge

Keep up the great work
I'm impressed with the level of enthusiasm and work going into the outlines. I'm proud to be working with each of you.

The Transhumanist 21:50, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

WikiBirthday
I saw from here that it's been exactly three years since you joined the project. Happy WikiBirthday! Keep up the good work, r ʨ anaɢ talk/contribs 23:09, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Outline collaboration #2: Outline of Gibraltar
This outline is approaching completion.

I added a bunch more links, finding them with the following Google site-specific searches of Wikipedia:
 * "of" and "Gibraltar"


 * "in" and "Gibraltar"


 * "for" and "Gibraltar"


 * with "Gibraltar" not at the end

(You can use the wikicode for the links above as the basis for new searches - just replace "Gibraltar" with any other country or region name).

Request: please redirect the redlinks! (bluelinking...)
The redlinks need to be bluelinked where possible. The most useful way is to create redirects leading to the material (which is usually included in a section of an article - see Redirect. That way, when the redirect pages are replaced by the actual articles, the links will already point to the right places.

Please take a crack at it, and bluelink a few.

Thank you.

Good luck.

Have fun.

The Transhumanist 00:42, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

I finally got to whack somebody with a trout!
That was fun. :)

The Transhumanist 23:32, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Outline update - Push push push - 06/25/2009
Work is proceeding apace...


 * Julian is working on getting a bot account (and he delivered this update as his trial run).
 * Penubag is working on the Project page and upcoming contest.
 * Buaidh is developing all of the U.S. state historical outlines.
 * Tarheel95 is writing a proposal to add a link to the Main Page leading to the the OOK.
 * Highfields is integrating the OOK into the encyclopedia by deorphanizing outlines by placing a main link in the see also section of the subject articles that have a corresponding outline.
 * I've been trying to keep up with them. :)


 * New members


 * Minnecologies - developing Outline of forestry and is watching the big picture.
 * Mnation2 - improving Outline of Lebanon


 * Hatnotes

The current consensus is that we can't place a hatnote leading to an outline at the top of a subject articles unless the outline being presented is of at least the same quality-level as the article.


 * What's next...

Improve outline quality by completing them.

Place hatnotes for the outlines of high enough quality.

Guidelines pertaining to outlines need to be updated. Outlines emerged as a class of pages only a few months ago, and most of the relevant guidelines don't cover them specifically. For example, Stand-alone lists is incredibly out of date.

Invite wikignomes, wikielves, and wikifairies (all 2500+ of them) to help on the outlines.

Identify 600 more subjects with coverage extensive enough to justify outlines, create rudimentary drafts for them, and post notices to the corresponding WikiProjects and subject talk pages to help build them.

Convert outlines titled "List of" to outline articles, and add them to the OOK. There are a few hundred of these. Conversion instructions are needed.

Add a description of outlines to About Wikipedia and Basic navigation, and add tips about outlines to the WP:TOTD and Tips library.


 * Keep up the great work!

The Transhumanist 20:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

June 2009 too
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we would like to remind you not to attack other editors. Please comment on the contributions and not the contributors. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Yes, calling an editor as "excellent editor" while defaming another one as "bad editing" of caurse is your subjective calling, and should be avoided in Wikipedia. Xingdong (talk) 12:43, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


 * And I admit that the "Rogue editing" is also name calling, and thanks for removing that. Xingdong (talk) 12:47, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I fail to see how pointing out bad behavior constitutes a personal attack. Sildroad accused Yaan several times of being an agent for the Free Tibet Movement and intentionally editing articles against NPOV policy. Calling another editor a propagandist is both a personal attack and failure to assume good faith, an accusation of "bad faith editing", the phrase I used in my post. At no point did I call Sildroad a bad editor. I think you must have misread my post.


 * Also, I apologize for templating you. I should have just left a note. It was rude of me. --Gimme danger (talk) 15:26, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry!
An editor dropped about 100 links into book articles all over WP and scrubbing them has been quite a task. I must have dropped the ball on that one. Apologies! TastyPoutine talk (if you dare) 07:26, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, I thought that editor was annoying. They hit a lot of my watchlist. Thank you for taking care of that! I wanted say that I didn't mean to call you to task or anything. It's late here and I wanted to make sure that I wasn't reading things wrong. --Gimme danger (talk) 07:30, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Not a problem at all. Sometimes I need a good smack in the chops to get me to settle down.  I do this manually to avoid some of the pitfalls of the automated tools.  But even I make a mistake from time to time.  In any case, you got me to focus on what I was doing more closely.  Cheers!  TastyPoutine talk (if you dare)  07:40, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

taylorville
So you dinged me changing a page called Taylorville, Il. Well under notable people, it talks about Brandon Eckoff. I tried to delete it because its unimportant BS and it was reverted back and so i wrote stupid stuff. any chance you could go back and just delete hin from the page. again it bs. -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.132.138.78 (talk) 00:55, June 28, 2009
 * I don't know what you mean by "you dinged me", since I've personally had no previous contact with you. I've done a cursory copy-edit of Taylorville, Illinois and agree that the material about Brian Eckoff was inappropriate for this encyclopedia. Thank you for your contributions and for letting me know. I'll drop a note for the editor who reverted your edit, because I think they were a bit hasty in their judgment. The reason they reverted was probably that you didn't explain why you were deleting that stuff in an edit summary. Edit summaries are how Wikipedians quickly communicate the nature of their edits to other editors; without an edit summary, many recent changes patrollers conclude that text deletion is vandalism. Thank you for bringing this to my attention; I encourage you to make more contributions in the future. --Gimme danger (talk) 06:18, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Request for feedback
Minnecologies has done an incredible amount of work on Outline of forestry and posted a note to me on my talk page requesting feedback.

I've posted my observations at Talk:Outline of forestry.

Please take a look at the outline and let Minnecologies know what you think of it on the outline's talk page.

Thank you.

The Transhumanist 19:37, 29 June 2009 (UTC) Delivered by JCbot (talk) at 20:15, 29 June 2009 (UTC).

Outline Update - Exhausted - 07/10/2009
I'm sorry that I haven't been available to assign tasks lately. For the past 3 days (not including today) I've been almost totally consumed in discussions concerning the location and very existence of outlines. Today I finally broke free and got back to work on outlines. Felt good.

A great deal has been happening with outlines and behind the scenes. I just don't have time to tell you all about it this time around. Here's the best I can do...


 * How to watch what's going on with outlines

If you'd like a bird's eye view of everything that's happening with respect to outlines, see this page:


 * WP:OOKWL - watchlist for copying and pasting into your raw watchlist.

Or go to these pages (and click on "Related changes" in the sidebar's toolbox menu):


 * WP:OOKRC - a version of the above watchlist for use with "Related changes".
 * WP:OOKDIR - a list of key pages related to the OOK, along with their shortcuts.
 * WP:OOKDISC - list of discussions pertaining to outlines.
 * Recently converted to outlines

These outline articles, which were named "List of...", have been converted to an OOK format:


 * Outline of martial arts (was "List of martial arts-related topics")
 * Outline of wine - converted by Stefan (was called "List of wine-related topics")
 * Outline of the creation-evolution controversy (was "List of topics in the creation-evolution controversy")
 * Outline of actuarial science (was "Actuarial topics")
 * Outline of industrial organization (was "List of topics in industrial organization")
 * Recently merged into outlines

There are a lot of "List of" articles that are outlines. Some of them are on the same subjects as the "Outline of" articles. The following one have been recently merged:


 * List of finance topics into Outline of finance

The Transhumanist 01:14, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

WP:NODRAMA reminder
Thanks for signing up for the Great Wikipedia Dramaout. Wikipedia stands to benefit from the improvements in the article space as a result of this campaign. This is a double reminder. First, the campaign begins on July 18, 2009 at 00:00 (UTC). Second, please remember to log any articles you have worked on during the campaign at The Great Wikipedia Dramaout/Log. Thanks again for your participation! --Jayron32. talk . say no to drama 21:14, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi WikiGnome!
So, you'd like to help out with the indexes, eh?

I've got an assignment for you. Pretty easy, since most of the links are already in place.

What I need you to do is use WP:LINKY on the following list:

User:The Transhumanist/Sandbox07 - they're all links to see also sections of country articles.

Assuming you have Linky installed, and you use Firefox... You select an area of the page by holding down the left button and dragging your mouse. Try not to select an area with more than 99 links in it. Then you right click. In the drop down menu, choose Linky, then "Open selected links in tabs".

Move between tabs with Ctrl-Tab. Nuke a tab with Ctrl-W.

Each tab will display a see also section of a country article. What I need you to do is check each one to make sure the Index of x-related articles (where "x" is the country's name) is included as a link in the see also section for that country.

If the old page name (List of x-related topics) is in the section, check to see if it's a redirect to the index. If it is, replace it with the index link.)

For the sections that are missing the index link altogether, add it in!

Easy as pie.

(I've been working on inserting Outline links, so you might run into me).

Thank you.

Good luck.

Have fun.

The Transhumanist 23:33, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

P.S.: I don't remember, do you know how to use Linky?


 * I think Linky crashed my browser the last few times I used it; I get by without it fine. I'm finished with this task and have collected a list of the countries/territories without indices. I'll go through the list again to see if I missed anything, but when I'm done I'll edit your worklist to indicate which ones need to be done. I'm participating in WP:DRAMAOUT, so I might develop some indexes over the week. --Gimme danger (talk) 04:00, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Jeff Mangum
While I'll admit the second edit was unsourced (plus I'm not familiar with the conventions regarding these type of boxes), the first one, see here, had a source if you look closely. --190.222.32.29 (talk) 23:32, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I apologize and you're right. That particular article, and that particular edit, trips my vandal trigger very quickly. Infoboxes usually don't have sources when the info is in the main text sourced. I'm not sure if there's an issue with the nature of the information, because technically we're not supposed to report about things until they've happened. But then again... um... OMG. If someone's looking up Jeff Mangum, this is probably significant news to them, so let's just break that rule. (I'm trying to stay in my wiki-persona and not degenerate into fannish squealing. It's not working, so this message is going to end so I can dance around for a while. If you have any more questions or problems, feel free to post them here.) --Gimme danger (talk) 23:44, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks and yeah the edit summary was pretty unconvincing, sorry for that. --190.222.32.29 (talk) 23:50, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for making WP:NODRAMA a success!
Thank you again for your support of the Great Wikipedia Dramaout. Preliminary states indicate that 129 new articles were created, 203 other articles were improved, and 183 images were uploaded. Additionally, 41 articles were nominated for DYK, of which at least 2 have already been promoted. There are currently also 8 articles up for GA status and 3 up for FA/FL status. Though the campaign is technically over, please continue to update the log page at WP:NODRAMA/L with any articles which you worked during the campaign, and also to note any that receive commendation, such as DYK, GA or FA status. You may find the following links helpful in nominating your work:


 * T:TDYK for Did You Know nominations
 * WP:GAC for Good Article nominations
 * WP:FAC for Featured Article nominations
 * WP:FLC for Featured List nominations
 * WP:FPC for Featured Picture nominations

Again, thank you for making this event a success! --Jayron32. talk . say no to drama 02:09, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Outline Update - Basking in the light of knowledge - 07/28/2009
Phase two of outline integration (de-orphanizing outlines by adding links leading to them into article see also sections) is nearly complete. The better that outlines are integrated into the encyclopedia, the more use they will be to readers.

Due to greater exposure through outline integration, and with most of the OOK team on school summer vacation, development activity on outlines has increased a lot...


 * New members


 * Be sure to welcome our newest members to the team:
 * Tiamut
 * Mandsford


 * News : Outline of Palestine survives AfD


 * The outline was nominated for deletion for being too general in scope. The consensus was overwhelmingly for keeping it.


 * The most memorable comment was posted by Mandsford: I like the poetic name, anyway. [Outline of Palestine]. "Master Plan of Pakistan" and "Rough Sketch of Bangladesh" would be good too.


 * Special thanks to Tiamut for greatly improving the outline, and helping to save it from AfD.


 * To keep track of outline AfDs and other outline-related discussions, see WP:OOKDISC.


 * Who's active on Wikipedia this summer?


 * Courtesy of Rich Farmbrough, here's a list of editors by their edit counts over the previous month (8th June to 8th July).


 * It would be nice to get the most prolific Wikipedians involved with WP:WPOOK. If you can, find a good reason to contact one or more of them, and invite them to work on a relevant outline - or all 500!


 * Who's been up to what?


 * Buaidh, Highfields, and Gimme danger have been working on the government sections of the country outlines. Being that there are about 240 of these, with critical information being filled in on each, this is by far the hardest and most important chore of this WikiProject right now.
 * Penubag is working on a redesign of the top OOK page.
 * Tiamut has done an incredible job developing the Outline of Palestine.
 * And kudos also go to Eu.stefan for his work on Outline of Buddhism.

Thank you.

Here's what else has been going on...


 * New outlines


 * Recently created outlines include:


 * Outline of England - TT
 * Outline of Scotland - TT
 * Outline of Buddhism - Eu.stefan
 * Outline of ancient Greece - TT


 * Recently converted to outlines


 * These outline articles, which were named "List of...", have been converted to an OOK format and added to the OOK:


 * Outline of the Vietnam War - was "List of Vietnam War-related topics" - TT
 * Outline of combinatorics - was "List of combinatorics topics" - converted by Minnecologies
 * Outline of category theory - was "List of category theory topics" converted by Minnecologies
 * Outline of scientific method - was "List of scientific method topics" - TT
 * Outline of ancient Rome - was "List of topics related to ancient Rome" - TT


 * Recently merged into outlines


 * There are a lot of "List of" articles that are outlines. Some of them are on the same subjects as the "Outline of" articles.  The following articles have been recently merged into OOK pages:


 * List of finance topics into Outline of finance - TT
 * List of England-related topics into Outline of England - TT


 * Outlines that have been tagged
 * Tags are requests to fix a problem or improve an article in a particular way. Unless we want the tags to sit there for an extended period of time cluttering up the outlines (we don't), it is up to us to fulfill those requests or attend to underlying misassumptions (if any).


 * Outline of literature - tagged as Original research
 * Outline of ancient Greece - tagged as under construction
 * '''Outline of mathematics - tagged as in need of attention from an expert
 * Outline of arithmetic - tagged as not citing any references or sources.
 * Outline of immunology - tagged as an orphan
 * Outline of organic chemistry - tagged as an orphan
 * Outline of psychology - tagged as in need of attention from an expert on the subject
 * Outline of family and consumer science - tagged as an orphan
 * Outline of energy storage - tagged as an orphan
 * Outline of nuclear technology - tagged as  an orphan
 * Outline of ergonomics - tagged as an orphan
 * Outline of construction - tagged as an orphan
 * Outline of machines - tagged as an orphan
 * Outline of free software - tagged as an orphan
 * Outline of design - tagged as containing original research or unverified claims, and needing references or sources
 * Outline of automobiles - tagged as an orphan


 * I can't stress enough the importance of watching


 * With so many outlines (now over 500), and a growing number of support pages (guidelines, wikiproject pages, etc.), I can no longer keep up. I need your help watching over it all.


 * If you'd like to omnisciently view everything "from above", see this page:


 * WP:OOKWL - watchlist for copying and pasting into your raw watchlist.


 * Or go to these pages (and click on "Related changes" in the sidebar's toolbox menu):


 * WP:OOKRC - a version of the above watchlist for use with "Related changes".
 * WP:OOKDIR - a list of key pages related to the OOK, along with their shortcuts.
 * WP:OOKDISC - list of discussions pertaining to outlines.


 * What's next?

There are a lot of contradictions in guidelines related to outlines. I'll be turning my attention to fixing those.

The number of "Outline of" articles is rapidly catching up to portals, and will probably pass them by the end of the summer!

Keep up the excellent work.

The Transhumanist 00:52, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

P.S.: Gimme danger
You beat me to Eu.stefan with a barnstar!

Nicely done.

The Transhumanist 01:15, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Does OoK have a barnstar of it's very own? I have an idea for one, but know nothing whatsoever about making graphics. --Gimme danger (talk) 02:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


 * We're working on one at User talk:Penubag/Sandbox3


 * And speaking of awards, I stopped by to ask you this...

We're working on something special...
...to award Buaidh for all his hard work.

It's at User:Penubag/Sandbox3.

But it's not done yet. Feel free to help improve it.

I'm hoping that everyone involved with the WP:WPOOK will sign it (please sign without a timestamp).

Thank you.

The Transhumanist 22:48, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

AfD
Please don't add categories directly to AfD discussions, as this breaks them out and they show up in logs. Instead use the cat parameter of to categorise. Thank you. Greg Tyler (t • c) 15:49, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oops. I'm sorry about the mistake and I hope I didn't cause too much trouble. I've added your instruction to the uncategorized AfD category so that others don't make the same mistake. --Gimme danger (talk) 20:17, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

feminism
Are you trying to question me just because I am a man and this does not conform to your perverted ideology? --Street Scholar (talk) 21:30, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The fact that you are a man doesn't explain why you've put inappropriate speedy deletion tags on some articles. It seems that many other men edit Wikipedia and use speedy deletion tags appropriately. I'd venture a guess and say that, given the percentage of Wikipedians who are men, that most of the people who came up with the speedy guidelines are, in fact, men. So, the question remains: what on earth are you doing? --Gimme danger (talk) 22:16, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * err, yeah my mistake --Street Scholar (talk) 22:33, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm just going to go ahead and assume that "err, yeah my mistake" is code for "Gosh Danger, I'm sorry for assuming bad faith, calling you a bitch, telling you to go fuck yourself and making a whole bunch of unwarranted assumptions about you." In that case, apology accepted. --Gimme danger (talk) 03:47, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

OOK's highest priority task - here's a piece of it for you
Danger,

I'm splitting this task up for everyone on the team to work on...

The government branches sections are in error on many of the country outlines.

Since those are in article space, we need to fix those ASAP! This is our most important task right now.

Here's a list of links that goes right to that section: User:The Transhumanist/List of country outline government sections.

I'm working on U-Z.

Your task is to complete and correct these:


 * Outline of Denmark
 * Outline of Djibouti
 * Outline of Dominica
 * Outline of the Dominican Republic

WP:LINKY is especially useful for this.

Let me know when you are done, so I can check them over.

Thank you.

Good luck.

Have fun.

The Transhumanist 22:02, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Checking over stuff I done
I finally bit the bullet and looked over Outline of Djibouti. I was quite unsure of what to do, so I wanted to make sure I didn't mess up before tackling any others.

I also finished the index task that you asked me to do, everything except Honduras, which is still locked. I also started Index of Benin-related articles and want to see what you thought of that. (It's still very much a work in progress, I just wasn't expecting the work to take so long.) --Gimme danger (talk) 07:26, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


 * You got a lot done. Thank you for jumping in.


 * For the outline, if you can't find the missing topics on Wikipedia, use Google. I've added in the cabinet and the ministries (See Outline of Japan for a good example).  I'll let you finish the judiciary branch.  (Hint: look for "Judiciary of", "Court system of", "Judicial system of", and "Legal system of").


 * The index task revealed an unforeseen problem, but your updating of the links was the important thing (keep up the excellent work), and provides me with a good place to start my next task.


 * I've touched up the Index of Benin-related articles. I added a short lead to help identify the subject of the index, and added a references section to handle the reference that's in the lead, then I moved the lists to their own section at the end, and then I configured the CompactTOC8 template using parameters (setting its look, and making sure all the sections were included).


 * The Transhumanist 23:14, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Put a big ol' check mark on Honduras, since it's finally unprotected! Whee! --Gimme danger (talk) 10:35, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

OOK collaboration: Outline of knowledge (eom)
Delivered by – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk at 21:40, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Is it just me, or is knowledge one of those singular words that very quickly loses it's meaning in the brain if you type it more than, say, three times in a row? This sounds interesting. I think I might make that index link blue later tonight.--Gimme danger (talk) 22:18, 31 July 2009 (UTC)