User talk:DanielPenfield/Archives/2015

Saturday February 7 in NYC: Black Life Matters Editathon
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WP:FUTURE
I'm well aware of WP:FUTURE. The example given is, let's say, the next Summer Olympics. The article on the next Summer Olympics would then say that will happen next summer. The article would not state that the next Summer Olympics are happening right now, it being winter. To say on January 30 that Morelle is incumbent and state a date of taking office on February 1, is plain nonsense. The same is true for showing Morelle as Acting Speaker on the Speaker's article. Conclusion: Future events may be described as future events; present state of things should be described as present state of things. That's not too difficult to understand, or is it? Kraxler (talk) 11:27, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The current state of things is that Silver has tendered his resignation, to take effect one minute before midnight on Monday February 2, see Sheldon Silver resigns as NY Assembly speaker So, Silver is still the incumbent. (Please keep discussion here, I'll watchlist it.) Kraxler (talk) 11:42, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * What's difficult to understand is why you would be so rigid as to insist on temporal consistency when the editor's updates were really three and two days in advance of the certain-to-occur event. And why would you be so callous as to erase the editor's work with the condescending it's January 31 now on my calendar?  Why make such a stink over such an ephemeral and minor issue especially since 99.9999% of readers would immediately recognize that the article had been edited to represent the soon-to-be rather than the soon-not-to-be state and wouldn't fuss over the apparent inconsistency the way you are?  -- DanielPenfield (talk) 00:02, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. It's supposed to give info as accurate as possible. Users have been told over years not to edit articles so to show future events as already having happened. What I can't understand is that you, a user since 2006, would defend such nonsense, contrary to the guidelines and common sense. As I said before, future events can be mentioned, but must be treated as occurring in the future. Nobody can call somebody an incumbent on January 31 who will take office on February 3. That's a fact, and not subject to any debate. Just drop it now. Kraxler (talk) 12:06, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I see. Not only are you inflexible, you're also controlling.  And you use passive voice to conceal the fact that you're making up most of your claims.  -- DanielPenfield (talk) 12:58, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
 * You think that somebody who takes office on February 3, is incumbent on January 31? I suggest you consult a teacher of English. Besides, I suggest you avoid to argue ad hominem. Stick to the issue, instead. Farewell. Kraxler (talk) 11:23, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
 * "Stick to the issue"? The issue where your Imperial Majesty commands me to "Just drop it now"?  That issue, your Highness?  We are all here to serve you and to cater to your every whim.  -- DanielPenfield (talk) 12:36, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Sunday March 22: Wikipedia Day NYC Celebration and Mini-Conference
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Confused about revert
Good morning, I'm a little confused as to why my edits were reverted. Citations were requested where I added them, so I'm not sure what I did wrong. If someone could please clarify, I would appreciate it. Thank you alvb (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 12:40, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I assume you're talking about your edits to Trade show display. It looks like you should direct your inquiry to User:Materialscientist as that editor performed the revert in this edit. DanielPenfield (talk) 23:56, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

April 29: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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Archiving
I came across an edit of yours to Talk:Restoration (England). I think that setting up indexing in the archives of such page is unnecessary and confusing. If you wish to set up archiving on a low volume page like that one then please use the default values as displayed in help:Archive ("Sequentially numbered archives") as many more editors are familiar with that type of set up where archives start at "Archive 1" and the last five or so sections remain on the talk page.

-- PBS (talk) 22:06, 28 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Your requirement to use "default values as displayed in help:Archive" is belied by the fact that the help page discusses archiving by date (Help:Archiving a talk page) alongside "numbered" archiving and does not prefer one or the other, although you have clearly chosen "numbered" archiving for me. In fact, as it stands now, Help:Archiving a talk page doesn't even rise to the level of guideline--it merely discusses "options".
 * If you and the unnamed "many more editors" are so aggrieved by archiving by year (or more generally archiving by date) why haven't you worked with the owners of User:MiszaBot and User:ClueBot III to fully prohibit the use of "%(year)" or "Y" in order to deny criminals like me the ability to make "unnecessary and confusing" archive indexing? Why haven't you unilaterally expunged any mention of archiving by date from the Help:Archiving a talk page?  Why haven't you unilaterally required MediaWiki software be changed to implement your archiving scheme uniformly across every WikiMedia project so that no criminal can ever commit the crime of archive indexing in any way that is contrary to your wishes?  -- DanielPenfield (talk) 00:25, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I think archiving by month/year has its place, but generally either on user talk pages or on pages that get a high volume of content. I've just undone your setup of archiving at Talk:Civil engineer, as it's not even 11K yet. The standard practice on Wikipedia is that pages are only archived if they're more than about fifty kilobytes, and that each archive is about that size. The talk page guidelines broadly support this. Graham 87 05:47, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
 * If you read all of WP:TALKCOND, instead of only the parts that suit your particular preference, you'll note the part about stale discussions: "As a rule of thumb, archive closed discussions when a talk page exceeds 75 KB or has multiple resolved or stale discussions."  Most people would understand "nobody responding in three years" as "stale".  Your claim that somehow size is relevant is preposterous:  Consider a 11KB discussion that nobody has responded to in four years.  It pertains to a version of the article that has been transformed by four years' worth of editing, yet 99% of editors won't realize this and will respond as if it's still somehow relevant to the latest version of the article.  Now scale that up to 100 years.  Stop trying to criminalize an archiving format that isn't criminal.  -- DanielPenfield (talk) 06:05, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

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pmbok and AFDstats tool
Hi DanielPenfield -- Thanks for taking time to consider the AFD proposal for the PMBOK article and for your voting there. As it stands now, your intention is clear to any closer of the AFD. But your stated vote is literally "Move" which is not recognized by the AFDstats counting, so I suggest you change it to "Keep" (but move to PMBOK) or similar, so that it will. No problem as it stands now. I just am guessing that you haven't used the wp:AFDstats tool before and you might be interested in what it shows (it currently shows nothing for your "Keep" vote on this AFD, I think because it cannot interpret the "Move" vote). By the way, I see from the wp:AFDstats tool as applied to your AFD voting, that you have actually voted "Delete" more than "Keep" so far, so perhaps it means more that you voted towards keeping this article. [I most commonly find my way to AFD topics where I feel a "Keep" vote is justified. Anyhow, I happen to like to check on my past and current AFDs by occasionally using it and thought you might also.  Keep up your good work, have a good day and all of that!  Cheers, --10:45, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of List of national quality awards
Hello! Your submission of List of national quality awards at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Storye book (talk) 16:46, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

United News of India
On 19 June 2015, you reviewed an article (United News of India) as stub under wikiproject companies. Since then the article has been modified, restructured and expanded. If possible, can you please give some of your time to access it again and give me feedback for improving it. Logical1004 (talk) 18:37, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * General advice: WP:The perfect article, WikiProject Journalism, draw inspiration from Agence France-Presse, Associated Press, Kyodo News, Reuters, United Press International, Xinhua News Agency.
 * Using the Five Ws:
 * The claim "first multilingual news service in the world" should be cited. I'd expect that Russian News Agency "TASS" may be a contender for that title.
 * The article concentrates on UNI's history (history is good and many articles lack it). However, can coverage of its current operations be expanded?
 * How is UNI organized internally? Who are its leaders (e.g., editors in chief, CEO, president)?  How many employees are on the payroll?  How many journalists are on the payroll?
 * Who are its major customers? Is there a rough estimate of total customers by media type (e.g., newspaper, radio, television, web, other)?
 * Who are its major competitors?
 * Does it serve newspapers, radio stations, television stations across India, or is it more regional? Does it serve any news outlets outside India (e.g., Pakistan, Bangladesh)?
 * What is its financial position (e.g., revenue and income)? Is its stock privately held or traded on stock exchange(s), or is it state run?  If privately held, who are the major stockholders?  If publicly traded, which stock exchanges list it and what's the symbol?  If it's state run, what government agency oversees it?
 * What is the street address of its headquarters? Ideally, upload a photograph of its headquarters.
 * Does it operate around the clock or just during business hours? Does it operate every day of the year?  What about weekends and holidays?
 * Has it won any notable awards?
 * The article states that UNI is multilingual. The WP:LEAD and infobox should state all languages it uses to deliver news.
 * The "Post Emergency Period" section seems to list its services. Describe the top 3-5 services (by revenue or number of customers) and provide a photo that illustrates how that service is delivered.
 * Style opportunities:
 * Per MOS:HEADINGS, section headings should be in Sentence case.
 * Double-check grammar (e.g., the possessive "its" takes no apostrophe).
 * Use the URL template in the infobox and the Official website template in the "External links" section. -- DanielPenfield (talk) 16:32, 21 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the useful and important info. I will try to do the justice with all these details and complete the article with all these info. If needed, I will ping you soon, (don't mind). Logical1004 (talk) 17:44, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Help with MetLife?
Hey DanielPenfield, I noticed that you're an active participant in WP:BUSINESS, so I'm hoping you might be interested in helping me with the MetLife article. While overall it's not in terrible shape, there are clearly some issues and some areas for improvement. To start with, I've proposed some changes to the History section here, to bring it up to date and fill in some missing information.

As full disclosure: I'm a paid consultant for MetLife, so I won't be making any edits to the article myself due to that conflict of interest. If you have a moment, could you check out my proposed edits and let me know what you think? Thanks, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 17:48, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Key Development Indicator
Thanks for your comments. While I can understand your opinion, I wish to point out that this is not to sell my book. The book simply explains the concept clearly, but as it is a rather new formulation there are not yet a lot of references. Why should KDIs be included as a wikipeadia entry? Because even though in management it is recent, it is well established in economics under the title development economics as well as human capital (both Amartya Sen and Gary Becker have Nobel prizes for their work on these economic indiators). There are also references in positive psychology that were not included in this entry as it seemed to make it too long. --Bobauthor (talk) 16:13, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

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TPL
Re:, the talk page layout guidelines put old AfD notices above the WikiProjects. – czar   15:07, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Czar, but you're mistaken. Your own link shows project banners as #10 and old afd multi as # 11. Only old prod goes on top as # 9. Kraxler (talk) 02:24, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * You're right. That's new... – czar   02:53, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

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Seven Basic Tools of Quality
Hey! let's go talk Talk:Seven Basic Tools of Quality Zenk0113 (talk) 02:36, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

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Biographies of filmmakers
Hello! Just a reminder, the Film project does not cover biography articles. Therefore, please do not add the WikiProject Film banner to articles about actors, directors and filmmakers. Those articles are covered by adding yes to WikiProject Biography instead. Thanks! Fortdj33 (talk) 13:17, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello! Just a reminder, WikiProject Film does not cover biography articles such as actors and filmmakers. This applies to all of the film task forces as well, which means that the Indian cinema task force does not include articles about Indian actors, directors and filmmakers, and consequently should not have the yes parameter on the WikiProject India banner. Thanks! Fortdj33 (talk) 13:53, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Biographies of filmmakers
Hello! Just a reminder, the Film project does not cover biography articles. Therefore, please do not add the WikiProject Film banner to articles about actors, directors and filmmakers. Those articles are covered by adding yes to WikiProject Biography instead. Thanks! Fortdj33 (talk) 13:17, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello! Just a reminder, WikiProject Film does not cover biography articles such as actors and filmmakers. This applies to all of the film task forces as well, which means that the Indian cinema task force does not include articles about Indian actors, directors and filmmakers, and consequently should not have the yes parameter on the WikiProject India banner. Thanks! Fortdj33 (talk) 13:53, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

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