User talk:DanielRigal/2017

Hockey & Rw mcfarland
Well started tagging a bunch of those pages for deletion... Saw you voted to delete a couple of them. Go team! -- Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 20:00, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I added a bunch more of these to AFD if you want to comment on them. Some might be worth keeping. Not pushing you one way or the other, just inviting you to input. -- Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 17:06, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Aston Demolition. Trying to consolidate them.... -- Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 02:25, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Added a bunch more of you care to comment, pro or con. -- Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 19:49, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Help Merging a Page
Hello,

There are two identical pages, Bihari Hindi and Bihari hindi, I am wondering if it is possible to either delete the latter or merge it with the former. Which would be the best option, and how can I do this? Abdulrahimb (talk) 06:57, 27 January 2017 (UTC) 27 Jan. 2016 01h56 Abudlrahimborges


 * This has been like this for a long time. The correct name is "Bihari Hindi". The good news is that the articles were almost identical so there was not much work to do merging them and I have done it. It did not require a formal merge discussion as there was so little difference that it seemed uncontroversial. All I did was to copy anything in the "Bihari hindi" article that was missing from "Bihari Hindi". It was just once sentence, a few other words and some minor formatting differences. Having done that "Bihari hindi" became a true duplicate so I changed it into a redirect. There is now only one article which will be found under both names. It isn't a good article but it includes the best of both the articles and gives everybody a chance to start making it better.
 * Since you are interested in this subject maybe you can help with a couple of things:
 * There is an old message on Talk:Bihari Hindi saying that it is not a true language. I am not sure whether this objection is valid. Maybe you can help answer this? If it is not a true language then what is it instead? A dialect? If you are not sure then don't worry. I tagged the article as needing expert help so maybe somebody else will help.
 * The article is unreferenced. If you know of any reliable reference material then maybe you can add some references and make sure that the content is in agreement with them.
 * --DanielRigal (talk) 00:44, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

As a background, the majority of the residents of Bihar speak languages from a continuum of langauges classified as a subsection of "Hindustani" languages under the heading of "Bihari", such as Bhojpuri. There are also speakers of other langauges in Bihar, including Hindi, and Hindi is spoken by many more as a second language. The article in question refers to the form of Hindi spoken in as a regional form in Bihar. One could draw the parallel between say "Catalan Spanish" (the Spanish spoken by people in Catalonia) versus the actual Catalan language, which is a distinct language but closely related. So in this case, Bihari Hindi is like Catalan Spanish, and a poster would come along and say "why is there an article about Catalan Spanish, people in Catalonia speak Catalan, people in Galicia speak Galician, Spanish is its own langauge and you wouldn't have articles about regional varieties of Spanish". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abdulrahimb (talk • contribs) 02:56, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

The above mentioned statement is an opinion which seems to be based on ideas that the article does not contain. The unsigned, unregistered poster basically claims that any page discussing a regional form of a language is obsolete, and that if this page exists then local dialects or registers of Hindi native to other parts of India would be needed or allowed. He begins by stating the fact "no such language as Bihari Hindi exists", while the actual article does not refer to Bihari Hindi as a language or even a dialect, he then statesthat the majority of people in Bihar speak Bihari languages (Eastern Indo-Aryan). The rest of his argument is to describe how Hindi is spoken in a number of regions and that Wikipedia wouldn't be giving regional varieties of a common language their own page or description. In fact, Wikipedia does, just as there are articles about Québec French, New England English, Caribbean Spanish. He is essentially trying to falsely project a common debate on Wikipedia, that of language versus dialect, onto a page that makes no claim about the linguistic nature of Bihari Hindi, i.e. the Hindi spoken in Bihar: the article refers to Bihari Hindi as a "form", no more, no less. This is a political theme in India, and actually in many countries, where a prestige language standard is held in the highest regard and so when someone even recognizes local or regional differences, it is seen as either an insult to the language itself or to the regional speakers (either «Hey! Stop trying to act like we aren't all united by one language» or «Hey! Stop trying to say that we don't speak correct/proper like everybody else!). To reiterate, the article does not even name Bihari Hindi as language or even dialect, it is referred to as a "form" of Hindi.

The article should not be a point of contention, no language exists without a standard and a variety of regional speech forms, I think that is pretty much a foundational point of linguistics. The article does not state that Bihari Hindi is a language or even a register of Hindi, it simply describes some of the local particularities of Hindi speech in Bihar and Jhaarkhand. I don't think that we need much proof that language spoken by nearly 400 million people as a mother-language, across an area of millions of square kilometres, has regional varieties. User:Abdulrahimb 28 January 2017

Help with a page you commented on please
Hi There,

I left a response to the comment you left on my talk page. It would be great if I could get more guidance on getting the page I created reinstated.

Thank you, BRICbobrectanglepants (talk) 19:26, 19 March 2017 (UTC)BRICbobrectanglepants

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Sorry
I am sorry for my vandalism. I was trying to be funny just to send a picture to my friend — Preceding unsigned comment added by PrimioPrimo (talk • contribs) 22:54, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Apologies
I recently apologized to you on SPI, because I had the good fortune of knowing Patar, who talked me down. I meant the apology. Tooth's recent comments on the Haste talk page, however, make it so very obvious that you and s/he aint the same people because tooth seems to contradict rational thought.

I retract the accusation - you aint Tooth Dover. Mark  Dask  22:03, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

A9 declined
I declined your speedy deletion nomination of Run with the hunted under CSD A9, as one of the artists, Dan Avidan, has an article. Thanks, Appable (talk | contributions) 04:20, 14 April 2017 (UTC)


 * OK. I wasn't aware that we was the performer and not just somebody they were trying to inherit notability from spuriously. --DanielRigal (talk) 10:42, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Kyls Burtland Article - nominated for deletion
Hey Daniel, just letting you know I left a response query over on the page where you put your deletion nomination for my article. I hope that was the right thing to do. Looking forward to finding out if I get a reprieve! Kind regards, Kyls — Preceding unsigned comment added by HeavenlyAntennas (talk • contribs) 12:20, 14 April 2017 (UTC)


 * The best place to discuss it is at the deletion discussion itself. That way everybody can get involved.
 * Anyway, here is one very important thing. I have removed your phone and email which you posted. That is a very bad idea. You want to keep that stuff secret if you don't want random people bothering you. If people want to send you an email they can use the link on your userpage which will let them send an email without knowing your address. They will only know your address if you choose to reply by email. --DanielRigal (talk) 13:04, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Draft:WhatCulture Pro Wrestling
Listen, I am of fan not only of WCPW but from all, but really really fan of is WWE, but as you can see I know it will be hard to the draft to be accpeted but with help from experinced users like you would be a big deal and then we could make this article usefull,dign of beloging into wikipedia, you know my objective is to expand the professional wrestling world, but thanks for the advice, what asking is if could help on it to be accepted?

TheBuilder456 (talk) 22:37, 5 May 2017 (UTC)


 * The most important thing is to remember that you can only work with reliable sources. If there is anything that fits the bill of WP:RS then those are your only building blocks. If you can build something that satisfies WP:N from that then you have succeeded. If you can't then that doesn't necessarily mean that you are doing it wrong. There may just not be enough if the right type of bricks for anybody to be able to do it. My fear is that WCPW is like this. That is why I do not recommend to bust a gut trying something that may well not be possible. --DanielRigal (talk) 23:33, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Reoraganizing the WCPW draft
Thanks for the advice and listen there already is a WhatCulture wiki but what I really want so badly is to make wikipedia great in professional wrestling including WCPW, but with deleting and all those things what is suppose to think that it's ok when not?

But alright if you tell that my article needs to be rewritten completely, so could you help on editing the article?

Also, what can I first do to make it acceptable in Wikipedia expect the reliable sources?

Meanwhile also where can I find reliable sources about WCPW?

TheBuilder456 (talk) 14:44, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

List of vidoes
What is the point of having a list of vidoes on Wikipedia? After all, it seems unencyclopedic to me. More in line with fandom than an encyclopedia. Articles about tv shows have a point on notability. Vidoes, on the other hand, don't seem to deserve a seperate article. Why aren't videos, episodes, and characters imply part of rhwir respective tv show article? 2600:1:F18E:779D:603E:D9C:3AA0:8A77 (talk) 18:34, 9 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Normally I think that they should be in the main article. For a genuinely major TV show, if there are a lot of videos releases, then a separate article might be OK so long as it is well referenced. It is a bit like band discographies. If a band has released a few records then that goes in the main article but a really major band with a lot of record releases can have a separate discography article. --DanielRigal (talk) 22:30, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Good warning
Hi, Daniel, I liked your warning on User talk:Shaxstar. Note the user's response, and my block. Bishonen &#124; talk 15:13, 29 May 2017 (UTC).

Kane Barry and the Apocryphal Doctor Adventures
is at it again.- 🐦Do☭torWho42 ( ⭐ ) 17:18, 25 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Ta. He is already on final warning so I've reported it here: Administrator intervention against vandalism. --DanielRigal (talk) 19:24, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

New To The Wiki Community
I am new to Wikipedia and would like to update the Studio71 page. You recently reverted my edits that state which social platforms the company does business on as well as Studio71's recent partnership with TF1 and Mediaset. Why are you reverting those changes? They are not promotional and give more insight into the company. Any advice for a new person in the Wiki Community? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.124.75.86 (talk) 00:19, 19 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Look. You need to stop treating us like fools. We know that Studio 71 has been trying to write spam into its article for a very long time, sometimes even from its own registered IP address, as well as trying to remove anything it finds unhelpful it its image, which is what you did here. Pretending to be new to Wikipedia is not going to fool anybody. This campaign needs to stop! Abusing the resources of an educational charity (which is what Wikipedia is) to get free advertising is no way to build a brand reputation. --DanielRigal (talk) 18:00, 19 July 2017 (UTC)


 * How is adding the Social Platforms that the company works on and the TF1/ MediaSet partnership promotional? These edits provide valid insight into the company'. Can you explain why you reversed this edit please? Also, deleting the Our Mine Hack was not me. I agree that the Our Mine Hack should remain on the page as it provides additional insight to the page.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.124.75.86 (talk) 18:28, 19 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Please read WP:COI and then leave the article alone. You should not be editing it without disclosing your relationship to the company and you probably should not be editing it at all. --DanielRigal (talk) 18:32, 19 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Oh, and I just put your/their latest sockpuppet on final warning too. --DanielRigal (talk) 18:02, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Fascism
See a consensus where? The source chosen by previous editors says nothing to the effect of what was initially posted and was directly quoted by the edit I made. This is a sourcing and paraphrasing issue, not a consensus issue. -- —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated comment added 00:49, 13 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Two points:
 * Talk:Fascism is over here. Please suggest your preferred wording there, say why you think it is better and then see what people say. I do not intend to discuss it here as this is not just between me and you. It is something for everybody concerned with the article to discuss.
 * In my view, the ongoing attempts to censor Fascism's long accepted location on the far right of the political spectrum are flat-out unacceptable attempts to abuse Wikipedia for political propaganda. This needs to stop! Whether this is an attempt to whitewash fascism from association with the far right or an attempt to whitewash the far right of association with fascism it is just plan falsehood. Except when done by the genuinely confused and clueless, this is intentionally disruptive behaviour and will be reverted as vandalism if it continues. It may be that the section you edited can be improved but I see absolutely zero prospect of the reference to fascism being on the far right being removed from it anymore than than we are about to start pretending that Stalin wasn't left wing or that the Pope isn't Catholic.
 * --DanielRigal (talk) 01:02, 13 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Didn't see the talk page or know of its necessity, I have made a post there and articulated my thoughts on the sentence. This is not about propaganda or politics, there is no "long accepted location within the far right of the political spectrum." Beyond the fact that the sources chosen to back up that claim on the page refute it from their very first pages, it has become a strange talking point that has no basis in academic literature. To quote the primary source directly: "Fascism was founded during World War I by Italian national syndicalists who combined left-wing and right-wing political views." and "Fascism opposes multiple ideologies: conservatism, liberalism, and two major forms of socialism — communism and social democracy." If this source is incorrect then it needs to be removed, and if it is correct than it needs to be reflected properly.:--Rocckker13 (talk) 01:13, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Dumb or not...
Doesn't matter, even individuals don't, but how could someone be an adjective but not subscribe to the ideology? Do they need to admit to it? A woman was killed by his rabid cult, and you're wondering whether a referenced and researched politics fits the definition at all? 86.131.228.143 (talk) 23:42, 14 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Sorry mate. I have almost no idea what you are talking about. Is that about that stupid edit where somebody using your IP address called Trump a fascist on List of fascist movements? I'm afraid that simply doesn't fly. It is about fascist movements, not individuals like Trump. Please try to remember that this is an encyclopaedia, not a political chatroom.
 * When you try to talk to people here it is sensible to be polite and also to say what one earth you are referring to.
 * I also see you, or somebody else on the same IP address, accusing other Wikipedia users of criminality and dishonesty. A few more edits like this and you will get yourself blocked. So, it is time to make your mind up. Do you want to help us write an encyclopaedia or are you just here to cause trouble? --DanielRigal (talk) 18:29, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but if someone claims 'A' someone else isn't supposed to repudiate them? Talk pages aren't the encyclopedia itself, and this site isn't parliament where somehow people can't call out hypocrisy when it's obvious... 86.131.228.143 (talk) 16:31, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Nazism "incorrect information"?
Explain how Nazism is a "far-right" ideology when its literally called National Socialism? How is a socialist ideology considered far-right? Do you really believe these sources you have in this article are being honest? [qub/x q;o++a] ++ 23:56, 17 August 2017 (UTC)


 * So, if the Nazis say something we take it at face value now do we? How stupid would we have to be to do that? The Nazis lied pretty much all the time and giving things misleading names was a favourite tactic of theirs. Remember that they called invading other people's countries "living room" and murder squads "special groups"? All lies. "National Socialism" aka Nazism (which pretty much all historians agree is far-right) was never a type of Socialism. It was a type of Fascism (which pretty much all historians agree is far-right) with a few mixed elements of other things thrown in and the nasty turned all he way up to 11. I'm sorry. I but don't have time to waste on going deeper into this when it has been done hundreds of times before. Read the history books that are used to reference the statement that the Nazis were far right. Read the Talk pages, and the archives of the Talk pages, to see how this BS has been suggested and rejected over and over again for many years, often with better and more detailed explanations than I am giving here. In summary, This is going nowhere. You can ask about on the article Talk page if you like but you can expect to be rebuffed. Attacking the article again will just get you warnings for vandalism. This revisionism has to stop now. It wasn't funny before before people started getting killed again and it is now even less funny than ever. I don't mind helping confused people to understand where they have been misled but it is time for zero tolerance of intentional propaganda and revisionism. If you really do believe that all the history books are wrong (and intentionally dishonest) then Wikipedia is probably not for you. In fact, that seems to be a view incompatible with any understanding of the real world at all. --DanielRigal (talk) 09:49, 18 August 2017 (UTC)


 * You had the gaul to say I was "attacking an editor" and that I should WP:KEEPCOOL like you when you blatantly didn't WP:KEEPCOOL and called me stupid for questioning the sources in the article. And then you erase your chat when it doesn't go your way? Unbelievable. [qub/x q;o++a] ++ 21:14, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
 * You might be seeing me a lot these days, so maybe trying to be my worst enemy right now isn't the best idea. Just saying. Not scaring me with these official looking Wikipedia messages in my inbox either. Can we agree to work on the article constructively or are you going to keep escalating this and making it worse? I demand an apology for the insults and the fact you escalated this out of a civil conversation. [qub/x q;o++a] ++ 21:29, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for notifying about Talk Page on Antifa (United States)
Hello Daniel,

I have noticed your post on my Talk Page and took it into great consideration,

I have posted a kind of civil rebuttal, a lengthy one too, on the Antifa (United States) talk page. I hope we can reach a compromise! :) Aviartm (talk) 02:32, 29 August 2017 (UTC) Aviartm

Formal mediation has been requested

 * I see this as venue shopping and a blatant abuse of process. My first thought is to ask for a boomerang on this but I will see how the other parties respond before I do anything. While it is almost beneath my dignity to be engaging with mediation on basic, settled, historical facts but I have to hold my responsibility to human civilisation higher than my own dignity. If I must engage in this then I will but I hope that it will not be accepted as a valid request for mediation. OTOH, it may be that the other parties feel it is an opportunity to take the revisionists to school, in that case I will probably simply be more of a spectator in this. --DanielRigal (talk) 17:41, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Reverts on Antifa (United_States)
I don't see why you felt the need to revert to restore a contested change. Do you not follow BRD? I ask you to remember that there is no deadline. What is the pressing need to include your changes before we've established consensus? Alex Eng ( TALK ) 20:39, 11 September 2017 (UTC)


 * There was already an interim consensus on this at the time I did it. Since then that consensus has strengthened and I'm afraid that nobody seems to support your viewpoint so far. Your changes have been reverted by three different people. You are welcome to keep discussing. In fact, I'd recommend having another go at explaining your argument because I genuinely do not understand the definition of "organisation" you are using. In the meantime lets leave the contested edit out of the article. I appreciate that you do not see it this way but I genuinely believe that it is seriously misleading and that Wikipedia is harmed by its inclusion. Leaving those categories out, given that other categories covering Anarchism and Anti-fascism are included, seems to offer no risk of confusion or harm. --DanielRigal (talk) 21:13, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
 * An "interim consensus"? That means you and the original editor who made the change in the space of one hour, I might add. Two people does not make a consensus, interim or otherwise. My changes have been reverted by one person: you. Nobody else has reverted me. By now I'm sure there has to be some sort of misunderstanding, or we are operating in two different realities. The contested edit is the one that you reverted back into the article. I'd be happy to go into further detail about the content of the change on the article talk page, but I'm still kind of bewildered by your actions...  Alex Eng ( TALK ) 23:38, 11 September 2017 (UTC)


 * You have been reverted by three different people. That does not mean that you are guaranteed to be wrong but it is a pretty good indication that you are either wrong or expressing yourself in a way that is being widely misunderstood. Either way, best to leave the contentious edit out during the discussion. Unfortunately the discussion has come entirely off the rails now, which is not your fault, but hopefully we can get back on topic and answer this. --DanielRigal (talk) 17:58, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I have tried to get things back on topic. I'm not sure how well it will work. --DanielRigal (talk) 19:06, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Could you please name the three different people who have reverted me? I think if you look at the history you'll find that you are the only person who reverted me. Alex Eng ( TALK ) 21:37, 12 September 2017 (UTC)


 * I just checked the diff in more detail and you are partly correct. It wasn't your edits that were being reverted in every case when the categories were removed by the various people. In at least one case I was confused because some of your other edits were immediately prior to the removal. I should have checked more carefully and I should have addressed my comment to the categories themselves not to your personal edits. I should have used the word "you" a lot less above. I am happy to acknowledge and apologise for that. The point I should have made is that the categories have been removed by several people and disagreed with by several others on the Talk page. The one place where I do still think that it is worthwhile to put you on the spot just a little is that you have not really explained your idea of something legitimately being called an organisation, despite seeming to lack any of the main distinguishing characteristics of an actual organisation, in a way that I can understand. (And I'm sorry if you feel that I am mischaracterising it in that description. This is not me being wilfully obtuse. I genuinely do not understand your claim well enough to describe it accurately.) If you think that you can explain it better then I'd encourage you to try again as it seems to have attracted almost no coherent support so far and no other defence of the organisation categories has been offered. I think this would help as it seems that the discussion on the Talk page risks getting so sidetracked that we might never get a clear answer to this. If you like, we could try restarting it as an RfC. That might force the discussion to be more focused and the RfC tag might bring in some new people to avoid it just being the same few people driving eachother crazy. --DanielRigal (talk) 22:36, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Possible COI
Hi, I noticed that you have posted on Conflict of interest/Noticeboard, giving me the idea that you are more familiar with COI-issues than I am.

By and large, I have the nasty feeling that user:特克斯特 is not a genuine editor but edits on behalf of Hunan Television or a related PR-company. 特克斯特 is very active in articles related to this TV broadcaster, especially Singer 2018, Singer 2017, I Am a Singer (season 4) and Template:Hunan Television I Am a Singer Contestants. An edit like this one switches all my alarm bells on.

By now I am getting grumpy, so I need advice. We are close to a series of edit wars and that is what I want to avoid.

I am not entirely sure if 特克斯特 is an COI-editor or that he just have no clue. User talk:特克斯特 seems to point at least partly to some competence problems regarding to mastering the English language. But he absolutely ignores my questions about his relation with the show, what makes me weary for a possible COI.

Can you advice me what to do now? The Banner talk 16:38, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

GiffGaff
Hi, I'm Caleb Mol, co-owner of Aerial-Knight Studios. I have an issue with the fact that you are removing our team's edits to Giffgaff's page though we have documentation of owning it. We would like to talk about this more openly, so please go to https://discord.gg/PXfsQ4F and me and my fellow owner can talk to you about the situation. Just ask for Aerial-Knight Endor and Aerial-Knight Adrian.

97.94.70.61 (talk) 00:07, 8 November 2017 (UTC)Signed Aerial-Knight Endor


 * No. Please stop your alleged staff from vandalising Wikipedia with unproven claims which seem to be a hoax.
 * The claim you have made is this:
 * "In 2017, Giffgaff was purchased by the up and coming company Aerial-Knight Studios"
 * There is no proof that this is true:
 * There is no claim to that effect on http://aerial-knightstudios.com/
 * There is no claim to that effect on https://www.giffgaff.com/
 * A Google search on "+"Aerial-Knight Studios", "giffgaff"" turns up absolutely nothing.
 * A Google News search on "Aerial-Knight Studios" turns up only one hit which is a 404 page.
 * I don't know what your aim is here. Maybe you are trying to embarrass Giffgaff or maybe you are trying to make trouble for Aerial-Knight Studios. Either way please take this as your final warning to stop vandalising Wikipedia with blatantly incorrect content. --DanielRigal (talk) 19:01, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
 * --DanielRigal (talk) 18:49, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Making the "List of Blue's Clues episodes" page more accurate
Hey Daniel, remember when I made the Blue's Clues episode list more accurate by following iTunes, Amazon Video, and promos? I noticed you added a tag apparently because there aren't enough references. I was wondering if I can reference any of the three sources I used.

Alec Borden (talk) 09:56, 20 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes, although those are not the best sources, referencing what you have used is a good idea and anything is better than nothing. At least it can prove that you are not making things up, which I'm pretty sure some other people are. What you should do is put a ref tag after each piece of information you add saying where it came from. You can use the fancy "Cite" template if you like but just putting the URL in the ref tag is better than nothing. There is a tool that can tidy the references up nicely so long as the URL is provided. Let me give a couple of examples:
 * Here is an example of a nicely formatted reference (this one is "cite news" there is also "cite web"):
 * But if that is too complicated then just do it like this and it will still work. It just won't look as nice until somebody comes along and tidies it up.
 * For more details see WP:REF. --DanielRigal (talk) 18:53, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
 * For more details see WP:REF. --DanielRigal (talk) 18:53, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
 * For more details see WP:REF. --DanielRigal (talk) 18:53, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Re:To save you some trouble...
Thanks, despite liking Defiant, I wanna make an article that can fit Wikipedia, but now, here is my question from the old article what topics can we put except the events can it be the championships and the pro wrestling world cup, well, those parts had reliable sources, I think, also can we include the history too?

I don't know, from the old article what topics do you suggest?192.71.244.20 (talk) 22:34, 27 December 2017 (UTC)


 * The problems is that this is structured entertainment media, not a real competitive sport, so we don't want too much on any of that stuff. If any of it got coverage in reliable sources then it can have a sentence or two. My advice is to add a little bit with a reference and see how it goes. Keeping it short will improve its chances a lot. --DanielRigal (talk) 22:38, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Defiant Wrestling issue
Please, do not speedy delete, I'm trying to make Defiant more complete but meanwhile, I'm trying to do like Progress and ICW but I don't how to make it, so please what can I do to show if my edits are appropriate or not, what can fit or not.192.71.244.20 (talk) 12:58, 28 December 2017 (UTC)


 * I don't think it ever will be that complete. Wikipedia does not want a lot of coverage of this subject. What Wikipedia wants is just enough to tell people what it is, a little bit about it and how to find out more. I think the problem is that some of the other wrestling articles are bad examples. They have too many of the same problems as we had here. So maybe you are trying to copy things that you think should be OK but they are not.
 * This is why I keep on recommending getting a fan wiki. If you get a fan wiki then you can write as much as you like and nobody will complain that it is too much detail, off topic or in the wrong style because it will be your own wiki with your own rules. Something like Wikia might be a good place to do that. The only annoying thing is that Wikia puts a lot of adverts on the pages but I guess that anybody who doesn't charge for their fan wikis will do that. They have to make some money somehow.
 * Also, I see that the article got protected. That wasn't my idea but I can see why it was done. You won't be able to edit unless you make an account and get "confirmed" status (which normally takes a couple of weeks). This doesn't just affect you. This affects all people who edit without logging in (i.e. just as an IP address). If you don't want to get an account that then you can still put suggestions on the article's talk page and other people can put them in the article if they agree. --DanielRigal (talk) 13:22, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Despite making a wiki, it does exits one here, so making one would be pointless, However despite can't so to suggest I have to do kinda like == the suggestion == and then the content?192.71.244.20 (talk) 13:31, 28 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Ah. I didn't know about that fan wiki. I think that is ideal for putting all the stuff that Wikipedia doesn't want into. --DanielRigal (talk) 14:21, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok, can we do roster or we exclude that, also about the championships can we make like the old one or stay like that. Now, I also made a draft of The Undisputed Era but I don't know if it's good or not, can you review it and see if it's ready to go to the mainspace? 192.71.244.20 (talk) 23:32, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Defiant champions, etc.
What you suggest to do about the Defiant Champions and tournaments and roster? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheCorageone1 (talk • contribs) 16:12, 30 December 2017 (UTC)


 * A few sentences only, saying what the championships are called and mentioning the winners (if they have articles) is enough. I'm not very keen on having a table but the one small table we already have is probably OK so long as it doesn't grow much. I don't think we need the complete roster but it should be OK to mention the ones who have articles. I think doing it as a sentence is better than a list. --DanielRigal (talk) 16:20, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

So wait, that those tables saying the champions are good and can it be like progress wrestling? Also, what do you mean with a "Walled Garden" in the defiant articles' talk page TheCorageone1 (talk) 16:48, 30 December 2017 (UTC)


 * I think the single table is OK. I didn't say it was good but I think it is OK so long as it doesn't get much bigger.
 * A walled garden is a lot of related articles that link to each other but nothing much links to more than one of them. My point is that we has an AfD in which we decided to stub the article. Taking all the fancruft out of the article and putting it in other articles is no good. That is just moving the problem around. So, unless the various championships start getting coverage in mainstream newspapers or on TV, the various championships will never have their own articles.
 * The important thing to remember is that this subject is only just about notable enough for an article. It is definitely not notable enough for a big article or for more than one article.
 * You ask about Progress Wrestling. I just had a look at its article. I'm afraid that quite a lot of it looks like garbage to me. I don't recommend to copy it. There is far too much detail for a minor subject and it has the Walled Garden problem too. If you have been looking at that one and thinking it was OK then I can easily see why what is going on with Defiant seems unexpected.
 * BTW, I did add a link to the fan wiki but it got taken off. That is a pity because that link was a good way to send people who want to read more, or write more, about this subject to the best place for it. I'm not sure what the policy is on linking to fan wikis so I'm not going to put it back. Maybe it did break some rule which I am not familiar with but I think it is a pity if we can't have it as it gives the fans what they want and also takes a load off Wikipeda, which seems like a win-win to me.
 * --DanielRigal (talk) 17:03, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

So, let me see a Walled Garden, is an amount of articles that linked to each other, but all it is, is links only? Also, I founded these two sources, this http://metro.co.uk/2016/10/21/how-the-man-who-spent-his-last-500-on-a-billboard-asking-for-a-job-is-masterminding-an-internet-wrestling-revolution-6204149/ and this https://www.pwinsider.com/article/105200/kurt-angle-vs-joe-hendry-doug-williams-vs-cody-rhodes-and-more-refuse-to-lose-ippv-on-fitetv-coverage-.html?p=1, what can we extract from these sources? Can it be enough for the champions to reach notability? TheCorageone1 (talk) 17:56, 30 December 2017 (UTC)