User talk:Dannotampa

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Help request 1
I don't understand why the page I made redirects to another page. I made a bio page for Nick Friedman and cited every single sentence on the page. Now, though, when I search for the Nick Friedman wiki page, it redirects to his company's page, College Hunks Hauling Junk. Any ideas on what I did wrong or need to do to fix this?

Dannotampa (talk) 16:21, 2 July 2012 (UTC)Dannotampa


 * Hi and welcome to Wikipedia. In reviewing the article history of the article you created, it seems that another editor felt that the subject of the article did not meet Wikipedia's Guidelines for article creation. In order to warrant creation of a stand-alone article a subject must have demonstrated notability. It would seem that while his company may be notable (under WP guidelines), Nick Friedman is not notable outside of the context of being the founder of the company, which is covered sufficiently in the article about the company.  I recommend reading Wikipedia's Notability Guidelines and specifically the guideline regarding biographies and if you still believe Nick Friedman meets the threshold for a stand-alone article, it is possible to undo the redirect and start a discussion on the article's talk page to establish your reasons.  Cheers and Happy Editing!!--William Thweatt TalkContribs 17:10, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Help request 2
I understand, and I've read those suggested pages. Nevertheless, I believe a strong argument could be made for the notability of Friedman based on the television appearances, guest articles written by Friedman, and the myriad articles written about Friedman on the topics of entrepreneurship, franchising and more and that focus on Friedman as a person (separate from the company as an entity) in such national news outlets as CNBC, Fox News and other national publications. Perhaps my mistake was in trying to get the basics of this page published before including every single last media hit he's received. Should I go back and add all of these media hits to the page? What do you think?

Also, if that is the case, how do I get access to the page I originally published? Because Wikipedia isn't letting me access my "watchlist" or my "contributions" pages, but I'm not going to re-do all of the coding and citing it took to get the page as far as I managed to get it. Any ideas?

Thanks for the help!

Dannotampa (talk) 18:50, 2 July 2012 (UTC)Dannotampa


 * Wikipedia keeps edit histories of every change. . I recommend that you move it into your sandbox and work on it there until you've got it to a point where you think it meets the requirements. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 19:17, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Help me

I added a few more citations and an interview on MSNBC, but I believe this page should be its own wiki instead of redirecting to Friedman's company's page because it's exactly the same as any other entrepreneur who works on significant side projects. Since he was featured on multiple reality TV shows and is a successful public speaker on the subjects of entrepreneurship in general, innovation and determination, it doesn't make sense to say that he hasn't done anything notable outside of the company itself. That would be like saying that Steve Jobs shouldn't have his own page but that it should redirect to Apple's page because all of his notable accomplishments have been product lines that he released through Apple. Obviously, I'm not comparing Friedman to Jobs in terms of the success of their products. Rather, I'm comparing them in terms of the conventions and guidelines used to decide what constitutes deserving a wikipedia page. Yes, he founded the company, but he's also executive produced a movie, done two reality television shows and does between 7-10 paid keynote speeches each year. These accomplishments alone set Friedman apart from many other entrepreneurs who "just own a business." I understand that you want to protect wikipedia from the average person trying to have his or her own page without having done anything to earn one, but this is NOT that type of situation, so I ask that you please reconsider the automatic redirect and allow this page to stand alone. Thank you.
 * Several points here


 * You shouldn't of undone the redirect, especially as you failed to include an edit summary


 * There needs to be no primary sources from himself or his company

.Mdann52 (talk) 16:07, 23 July 2012 (UTC)