User talk:Dapieri

December 2012
Welcome to Wikipedia. I notice that you removed topically-relevant content from Phi Gamma Delta. However, Wikipedia is not censored to remove content that might be considered objectionable. Please do not remove or censor information that directly relates to the subject of the article. If the content in question involves images, you have the option to configure Wikipedia to hide images that you may find offensive. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Grayfell (talk) 02:48, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Question for administrator
--Dapieri (talk) 03:08, 27 December 2012 (UTC) There is and has been a MAJOR problem with Phi Gamma Delta's wikipedia page for an extended period of time. The Greek letters are prominently displayed in the information box. Although the administrators on Wikipedia may think that Phi Gamma Delta's Greek letters are relevant content, in the the nicest way possible, you all are absolutely incorrect. The Fraternity only uses the actual Greek letters in seven defined places, ones that are not easily destroyed. It has been this way since 1848. The seven places that the letters may be displayed are: Official house marker, official fraternity seal, official college ring, official flag, a memorial to a member, the official badge and the certificate of membership. This is clearly noted in the article. The fraternity uses the nickname "FIJI" instead of the Greek letters, also clearly noted in the article about the fraternity. Out of respect for the 168,000 + undergraduate and graduate FIJIs across the United States and Canada, we ask that you please allow us to keep FIJI instead of the Greek letters. I received no help from Grayfell so I need additional help. Thank you!
 * Please note that this issue is addressed on the article's talk page (in the box labelled Frequently Asked Questions). It was also discussed extensively over the past few years, as can be seen in the talk page archives. You are free to make a comment about it in the articles talk page, but it's highly unlikely that the decision to retain the Greek letters will be changed by consensus. ...  disco spinster   talk  03:13, 27 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I notice that you said The Fraternity only uses the actual Greek letters in seven defined places. Wikipedia, as a whole, is not a part of your fraternity. I am not trying to be disrespectful, but this encyclopedia is for everyone, members and non-members alike. Does your fraternity have a policy on non-members displaying the Greek letters? If so, what reason do we have to honor it? Grayfell (talk) 03:21, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

However, one can make the argument that it is not censorship, but rather that it is providing correct information. I feel as though having to include a warning in the page's code not to change something is to the point where something about this whole project needs to change. Mr. Wales will certainly not receive any more donations from me. Thank you for your help! Dapieri (talk) 03:43, 27 December 2012 (UTC)


 * If the letters were never used anywhere the information might be removed due to incorrectness, but they are used, so this article is giving readers an image of the letters as they are used in those seven places. The fact that we require a warning does indicate that some people are not happy with the encyclopedia's policies, but it does not indicate that keeping the letters isn't the best option. People ask to have information removed all the time, including other matters that people feel very strongly about, like religious images, but if Wikipedia obeyed every request it would no longer be fulfilling its mandate of being a neutral source of information. I'm sorry to hear that you will not be donating to the project anymore, and I hope you will continue to contribute edits. If not, I hope you at least enjoy reading our other articles. —Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 06:32, 27 December 2012 (UTC)


 * The members of the organisation are perfectly free to refrain from using the letters except in a limited range of circumstances, if it pleases them to do so. However, that does not mean that Wikipedia is obliged to do the same. The letters are clearly relevant to the subject of the article. This is exactly analogous to the requests, or perhaps more often demands, from muslims that we don't show pictures of Mohhamed. Many muslims choose not to have such pictures, but Wikipedia is not restrained to follow the same line. As for making monetary donations dependent on adjusting Wikipeedia articles to conform to what donors want, the very idea is totally inconsistent with the basic principles of Wikipedia, and we are probably better off without donations based on such conditions. JamesBWatson (talk) 16:13, 27 December 2012 (UTC)