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Percent vs. per cent
Hi! Regarding this edit, the reason the article used per cent was because it's written in British English, and that's the more standard usage there. It's not a big enough deal for it to be worth it for me to change it back (percent isn't strictly wrong in British English), but if someone else does, just wanted to let you know that you should leave it be. Cheers, &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 05:51, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok, but please keep in mind I only have basic understanding of British English. Sorry for you, and thank you for reminding me. Akmaie Ajam (talk) 08:41, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

July 2020
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 * If you want to avoid copyright violations then don't copy text verbatim from external sources. Almost all information on the internet is copyrighted and you shouldn't copy text from anywhere into Wikipedia unless you are certain that the text is in the public domain or is made available under a compatible licence. If in any doubt you should assume the material is copyrighted - copyright exists automatically unless someone explicitly disclaims it. Instead you should write text in your own words instead of copying it from somewhere else. Wikipedia takes copyright seriously and violating copyright is illegal in almost every country in the world. It is also against Wikipedia policies (Copyrights, Copyright violations) and editors who persistently post copyright violations can be blocked from editing (see the blocking policy).


 * For example you copied several paragraphs verbatim from here. News outlets like that are almost guaranteed to be copyrighted, and the terms and conditions for that site confirms this (The copyright in the material contained on, in, or available through this Website or any other Future Site or Server ... is owned by or licensed to Future or its group companies. All rights are reserved. You do not have any right, interest or title in or to the Material unless otherwise expressly indicated.) The absence of a notice like this doesn't mean that text isn't copyrighted because copyright exists automatically unless it expires or is explicitly disclaimed.  Hut 8.5  07:02, 23 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Sorry for unknowingly copypasting copyrighted sources. I have edited the OnePlus Nord article to the point before copyright deletion, and the edit was made with copyright in mind. (written by me). The lessons you've given to me can be invaluable. Thank you for notifying me with copyright. Akmaie Ajam (talk) 07:42, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

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Sir Gillemere
Thank you for your edits to this article, but I have reverted them all and turned the article into a redirect.

You seem to have copied other editors' work, without attribution, and without even making sure that the references worked properly. Please do not do this. Please look at the state of the article as you left it, and consider the poor reader who wants to learn about this locomotive (not "a train"). It's useless, because you added the references without realising that they were defined elsewhere. The previous editor had left a useless article in this state, but your improvements didn't really improve it. There's a lot to learn about editing Wikipedia: please go slowly and make sure that every edit you make is a real improvement to the encyclopedia and leaves an article which a reader will find helpful. Thanks. Pam D  15:42, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Well, how do I make sure that I referenced the author properly? I noticed the article after reading the Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as copyright violations. When I read it, there was an article, not a draft, called Sir Gillemore. I felt that I wanted to keep the page from being deleted, so I edited it. Sorry for my mistakes. Thank you. ᐱᔌᕬᐱɭᕮ ᐱᒍᐱᕬ   (Talk)  15:53, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


 * See Help:Referencing for beginners perhaps, or Citing sources, but don't just copy other editors' sentences and claim credit for them: see Copying within Wikipedia and the template Copied. Pam  D  16:02, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


 * And here you lost the detail of which station it was: in 1955 there were two stations in Bournemouth, one of which was called Central. Please take care. Pam  D  16:11, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Sorry for my mistakes, again. I'm Akmaie Ajam. I'm an editor in Semarang, Indonesia. I have started editing in 2015, and have racked up 1000 edits, mostly in this year. However, I stopped editing in 2016 because I misunderstood Wikipedia and had much less experience than now. Then I came back in 2019 after watching Chubbyemu's video about tide pods but the edit got reverted because I changed the style from British English to American English. I now work in spell-checking the 2020 Belarusian protests and adding information for the Yemen article. I have received many warnings from other editors, including GeneralizationsAreBad, ChamithN, Benlisquare, Zzuzz (blocked), Bradv, Hut 8.5, and more. I think this is just another lesson to be learned. Sorry for my story, if you think my story is off-topic. Thank you. ᐱᔌᕬᐱɭᕮ ᐱᒍᐱᕬ   (Talk)  16:17, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


 * By the way, sorry, every topic posted in my talk page makes my morale drop and me sad, especially if it's a problematic one. This is not an attack to you, just a notice. Thank you. ᐱᔌᕬᐱɭᕮ ᐱᒍᐱᕬ   (Talk)  16:33, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll just add my two cents here since you have pinged me as well. Nobody is trying to attack you by bringing these issues to your attention; these warnings you have received and talk page discussions are not personal attacks. It's basically how collaboration works on Wikipedia.: whenever you see a problematic edit, you discuss/address it. This is the whole point of WP:CONSENSUS as well. The intention here is not to discourage you from editing but to make sure that the content here is encyclopedic. If it's clear that you're here to build an encyclopedia, other editors will (mostly) assume good faith as long as you won't continue to edit in a way that's outright disruptive. I suggest you go through Five pillars again. Good luck -- ChamithN   (talk)  16:55, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok,, I will read it thoroughly, tomorrow, once I get enough sleep. It is already midnight in my place. I think my talk page may be filled with replies from pinged users within the next 24 hours. I have used the WP:CONSENSUS, but not often, as I only get alarming messages like a month or two, and I mostly address the problem instead of discussing it. Again, sorry for my mistakes (and sorry if I'm being repetitive). Thank you for your help, and .  ᐱᔌᕬᐱɭᕮ ᐱᒍᐱᕬ   (Talk)  17:11, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, are you still interested in discussing the problem with me, PamD? (WP:COMPROMISE) ᐱᔌᕬᐱɭᕮ ᐱᒍᐱᕬ   (Talk)  06:50, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Let's look at the sorry history of Sir Gillemere.
 * OK. I'm sorry if you find comments on your talk page to be demoralising: we are all just trying to improve the encyclopedia.
 * 1) An enthusiastic editor created an unsourced, inaccurate, unlinked, stub: this version. It looks from their edit history as if their main interest is really the Thomas the Tank Engine  series, rather than locomotives. They got the  name of the railway wrong - it should be LSWR, not NSWR (NSWR is an alternative name for New South Wales Government Railways in Australia).
 * 2) Someone tagged it for CSD as Copvio because they found the text elsewhere. (They found it in an Amazon rview, but that writer was quoting from a website, probably this fandom site.)
 * 3) You wanted to help, so added a few sentences copied from an existing article, complete with the references as they appeared in those sentences, resulting in something useless for the reader because those references were incomplete as they were part of a complex system of references. This was obvious if you actually looked at the article as you left it. Haresnape, Bradley and Trevena are not defined, so are inadequate as references.  You should not be adding references to an article unless you have yourself checked those sources and know that they support the content. You should not be copying other editor's prose without attribution. You should not be adding references which don't help the reader because they are only part of the reference.
 * 4) In the course of your improvements you copied a sentence which referred to a crash at Bournemouth Central Station but then changed it to "the Bournemouth railway station": not helpful, as there were two stations in the town at the time. You didn't add any links to any other articles while trying to improve this stub.
 * 5) If you can't see that there was a problem with the article as you left it, then that itself is a problem.

This badly-written stub with no sources or wikilinks was probably not worth trying to rescue. There is more information, properly sourced, in the article on the class of locos, to which I have redirected it.

If the topic had been something notable not covered elsewhere in the encyclopedia, it might have been best to let the CSD run its course (to remove the copyvio material from our system completely) and then create a new stub, with a proper source and links, afterwards. Ah, in fact that reminds me, we ought to get those revisions removed anyway. I'll remind myself how to do that. Copyvio is a complicated area.

Does that help? Please don't be discouraged about editing, but please take care with your edits. Thanks. Pam D  08:08, 16 August 2020 (UTC)


 * I've now added a Copyvio statement and note to the talk page, all of which would have been unncessary if this silly little unsourced copyvio stub had been left well alone to be deleted as copyvio. I know you meant well but I think your energies were wasted here. Pam  D  08:21, 16 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Ok, I will make sure that the references are actually useful and link into something. We all make mistakes, even experienced editors. By the way, the information came from the LSWR N15 class article and the https://islandsideadventures.fandom.com/wiki/Merlin. When I checked the copyvio percentage, it was 80+ percent. After I edited it, it became ~15%. I was not happy with the copyvio percentage because I had worked on the OnePlus Nord phone (you know, that hyped phone) and with the Indian Express citation and despite the copyvio percentage being 20%, it was enough to revision delete the offending revision. So I thought the threshold must be 10%. And so I edited it more, and it came down to 9.1%. I omitted the "Central" part to avoid copyright problems. So... the main point of my edit is to avoid copyright infringement. But while researching the article, I also found the LSWR N15 class article and https://islandsideadventures.fandom.com/wiki/Merlin, and it had information that is not in the article, so I added it. I just copied the references using VisualEditor from the LSWR N15 class article into the article. That worked for the translation of Nickel from English into Indonesian in the Indonesian Wikipedia, because that one had a translation template that linked to the original article and the references are useful. But, then I forgot that the references in the LSWR N15 class aren't useful because the references wasn't linking into anything. Speaking of translation, that reminds me, I will be translating Nickel from English into Indonesian right now until about 4:30 or 5 PM. Thank you for your advice, information, and suggestion. ᐱᔌᕬᐱɭᕮ ᐱᒍᐱᕬ   (Talk)  08:49, 16 August 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm still worried about your references: if you add something to an article and cite a source, it should mean "I have consulted this source and it supports this information", not "I have found this information in Wikipedia and someone else says that this source supports that information" (even if you take the trouble to cite the reference fully, unlike here). There is a big difference. If you can't find reliable sources to support the content you want to add, don't add it. And as for making something less accurate in order to avoid it looking like copyright violation... Just be more careful, please. Pam  D  09:44, 16 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Sorry for my mistakes, but how do I determine that? And what counts as a reliable source? ᐱᔌᕬᐱɭᕮ ᐱᒍᐱᕬ   (Talk)  10:06, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * See WP:RS. And just look at the article: the state you left it in was poor because the references just didn't make sense. The reader could not see where you got the information from (or even, where you claimed you had got the information, as you clearly hadn't consulted the sources yourself). If you don't see that, I can't help.  Pam  D  10:10, 16 August 2020 (UTC)


 * , I got that from LSWR N15 class article, but after going to the bottom, it turns out there is a bibliography of the references which includes links. I forgot to add that into the article because it was at the bottom of the article. Do you understand, ? ᐱᔌᕬᐱɭᕮ ᐱᒍᐱᕬ   (Talk)  10:23, 16 August 2020 (UTC)


 * "By the way, sorry, every topic posted in my talk page makes my morale drop and me sad, especially if it's a problematic one. This is not an attack to you, just a notice. Thank you." That struck me again... I cried and believed that I should not have made the edit in the first place. Please be civil, no personal attacks. I may be overreacting, but please, be kind, please... ᐱᔌᕬᐱɭᕮ ᐱᒍᐱᕬ   (Talk)  12:36, 16 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Do you understand me? Have I misinterpreted you? Or you misinterpreted me? Sorry if i'm wrong. ᐱᔌᕬᐱɭᕮ ᐱᒍᐱᕬ   (Talk)  12:50, 16 August 2020 (UTC)


 * I have spent a lot of time trying to explain clearly and helpfully what problems there were with this article. You still do not seem to understand one particular point I am making, that you should not be adding content to an article unless you have yourself seen the information in a reliable independent source. Not just in another Wikipedia article. Don't just try to add the references someone else has used, unless you have yourself seen that book or website and checked that the information is there. But when you do make any edits to an article, pause for a moment to have a look at it and see whether it makes sense, whether it has useful wikilinks to other articles, whether the references are adequate for the reader to be able to see where the information has come from and follow it up if they want to, and so on.
 * In this case you were working on a stub which was already unsourced, unlinked and (though you didn't know it) inaccurate (NSWR v. LSWR). You complicated matters by using "train" where "locomotive" or "engine" would be correct. (A train is engine plus coaches: Sir Gillemere is a locomotive or engine). If you aren't familiar with a subject area you need to be even more careful than usual about getting the wording right. Linking some terms such as NSWR and King Arthur class would have been constructive (though in the case of NSWR, misleading). Oliver Bulleid, Thomas the Tank Engine and Bournemouth Central railway station would also have been useful links. (Actually "Merlin" seems to have nothing to do with the original Thomas the Tank Engine but appears in the TV series Thomas & Friends, and is listed in List of Thomas & Friends railway engines).
 * If an article is nominated for speedy deletion as copyright violation it is probably best to leave it alone so that it can be deleted and its copyright violation removed from public view in the encyclopedia, ini a simple process. It would then be possible to create a new, legal, article, by finding reliable sources (not a wikipedia article) and using the information you find there, in your own words, but taking care not to accidentally lose information (like that it was Bournemouth Central station) in your eagerness to avoid using the exact wording. Or there could be a redirect to an article in which the information is already available. I really don't see what else there is for me to explain to you.
 * I'm sorry if you find this discussion is making you sad. Cheer up: it's only Wikipedia.  Pam  D  14:29, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I found the little bit of info about "Merlin" quite entertaining, when I read that it really was connected with the three stovepipe chimney modification, and have added it, with a source, to the article on the class of engines. Although the source I cite is not particularly reliable, being a fandom site, I think it is strong enough to support the statement "It is reported that ...", and I've quoted the relevant statement. Pam  D  14:47, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry for all the mistakes I've made. This eagerness started because I copied the TechRadar's review about the OnePlus Nord, and then, shortly after, the article was reverted back to the point where it only had a lead section, references, and an infobox. I started rebuilding the article to the original (I had no backups) and made careful that I'm not using the exact word. I've searched "Sir Gillemere" and the only useful things that came up were the LSWR N15 class article and the fandom site. I only use the article as a last resort. Anyways, I now understand your advice and suggestions. Please refrain from posting any posts because I've been wanting this discussion to end. Thank you for your advice and suggestion. ᐱᔌᕬᐱɭᕮ ᐱᒍᐱᕬ   (Talk)  15:08, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * OK,one last post (up to now it's been you, not me, who has insisted on continuing the conversation): if you can't find good sources online, sometimes it's best just to leave it to the people who have sources. Obviously some editors have a shelf-full of relevant books, like the authors of LSWR N15 class. Neither the original author nor you seemed to have access to the material from which to create a well sourced stub on Sir Gillemere, so it should have been allowed to be speedily deleted. Concentrate on working on articles where you can make a useful contribution using reliable sources, and in areas where you understand the terminology. Happy Editing. Pam  D  15:24, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Removing copyvio CSD tags
Hi, I noticed you removed a copyvio speedy deletion tag from All Indian Cine Workers Association, but the offending content still existed in the page history. If the current version of an article tagged as a copyvio is OK, you're welcome to replace the tag with a copyvio-revdel tag, but please don't untag it completely as the copyvio still needs to be deleted from the history. Thanks! :) stwalkerster (talk) 12:05, 5 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi, I need to ask you, what is the minimum copyvio confidence percentage in a revision to remove it? The revisions in the OnePlus Nord article got deleted for a 20% confidence rate, but the 2020 Belarusian protests also has ~20% confidence rate (I can't tell you the exact rate because the copyvio detector was taking too long, so the confidence rate is from my memories) and the revisions aren't deleted. The earliest accessible revision for All Indian Cine Workers Association had a 21.3% confidence rate (https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&oldid=976699616&action=search&use_engine=1&use_links=1), so it may qualify for revdel. And the earliest 3 revisions which had the most copyvio has been deleted. Can you help me? Thank you. ᐱᔌᕬᐱɭᕮ ᐱᒍᐱᕬ   (Talk)  12:33, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I can't give you a definitive percentage level as that will change depending on both how much text was copied, and the total size of the article. I also can't see where a copyvio on 2020 Belarusian protests was removed, so I can't comment on that. Low confidence results can come from similar phrasing, quotes, or small amounts of infringing text. High confidence results can come from other sites copying us. Earwig's tool is awesome at giving you pointers to which bit of article text matches which website, but it's a pointer in the right direction for an investigation, not a final answer. There's no hard-and-fast rule; figuring out this stuff relies entirely on analysis of the specific case at hand. stwalkerster (talk) 16:16, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * So, does this revision of the All Indian Cine Workers Association (https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&oldid=976699616&action=search&use_engine=1&use_links=1) need to be deleted? I will give you information of the most infringed sites (21.3%):


 * https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/india/pulwama-terror-attack-one-year-40-crpf-jawans-martyred-jammu-kashmir-588721 (scroll to the bottom and you will see "All rights reserved") (couple of "All Indian Cine Workers Association" "copying", and one long, definitely copied text.)


 * https://www.zoomnews.in/terms-and-conditions.html (not the infringed page) (This one says that violating the copyright could result in penalties.) (couple of "All Indian Cine Workers Association" "copying", and one long, definitely copied text.)


 * Also, the copyvio detector for the 2020 Belarusian protests has now worked (https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&oldid=976935349&action=search&use_engine=1&use_links=1), with 32% for the state.gov website (turns out it's public domain) and 24.8% for the apnews.com website (this has the "All rights reserved" tag on the bottom). Please answer quickly. Thank you. ᐱᔌᕬᐱɭᕮ ᐱᒍᐱᕬ   (Talk)  02:29, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The AICWA one is a single sentence which is practically a quote anyway, so I think it's probably fine. The protests one is only returning 18% for me, and the top one is a CBS news article which again, is practically a quote, and also probably fine. stwalkerster (talk) 14:34, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok, requests for revdel called off. Thank you for your help and information. ᐱᔌᕬᐱɭᕮ ᐱᒍᐱᕬ   (Talk)  15:34, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

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Hi, this edit has not solved the WP:COPYVIO issue: what you have done is replacing the previous copyrighted content with close paraphrasing, which is still a copyright violation. Here's what I suggest we do: if you have seen this episode, you should write a summary of it in your own words. If you have not seen the episode, then please tell me so and I will restore the CSD tag. JBchrch  talk  21:14, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi,, I have never seen the episode; you may restore the CSD tag or turn the article into a redirect, like before yesterday. I just want to take part (I found the article while clicking the Tools section in my user page and clicking the link to Candidates for speedy deletion as copyright violations); however, removing copyright violations is not my expertise and I was actually accused of a copyright violation during an editing drive for OnePlus Nord (look above for a title named "July 2020"), and although I have removed violations, I sometimes get in trouble (like the Sir Gillemere (by User:PamD) and All Indian Cine Workers Association topic (by Stwalkerster) above). Thank you. ᐱᔌᕬᐱɭᕮ ᐱᒧᐱᕬ   (Talk)  21:22, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your answer. No worries: there's a learning curve you just have to get through 👍. JBchrch   talk  21:35, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

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