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Vandalism revert thanks
Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my user talk page. :D Kimchi.sg 16:05, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Image Tagging for Image:Western Addiction.jpg
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Image:Blue Linckia Starfish-2-.jpg
Hi Dark jedi requiem, I've closed the starfish nomination as a "Not Promoted". Bad luck, but don't give up! Since your edit is only used on this page and did not gain support, is it OK with you if I delete it? Thanks, --Fir0002 01:18, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Featured Picture nomination
Hi Dark jedi requiem,

Thank you for nominating Image:TwoJizos0053.jpg for Featured Picture. After reading some comments, I've uploaded another version of the photo and would be interested in your reactions, whether favorable or not.

Best regards,

Fg2 11:58, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Unspecified source for Image:Youth group.jpg
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DYK
Well done! A nice little article. On the main page now. Cheers -- Samir  धर्म 06:50, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Rise Records
An article which you have been involved with editing, Rise Records, has been proposed for deletion. TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 01:20, 27 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The new version looks much better; as a general guideline, I would make sure a record label had at least one or two bands (current or former) that had keepable articles on here before writing the record label article. (I haven't checked whether this one has that or not.) With this article, the main thing you need to do is to disambiguate the links to the bands. For example, use Catherine instead of Catherine, which redirects to Katherine and is clearly not what we want. Your contribution history is much more impressive than I was expecting, you should know what to do by now. ;-) Grand  master  ka  05:45, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Kennewickmanstanford.jpg
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Tomato Head Records
I have to say I still don't see how the article passes WP:CORP based on what I have seen of search results and what is written in the article. I'm actually in the midst of this same discussion with another editor. He advances that if a label releases a single album that is notable (which in turn relies on whether or not the band that released it is notable), the label is notable. I'm extremely skeptical of that position. If you'd like to say anything on the topic to me that might sway me, let me know. As of now, I'm still considering what to do with articles like this one that I don't believe are notable. Erechtheus 04:41, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Emo Music
Hey, I've noticed you recently contributed to The Used talk page - would you be interested in participating in the new Wiki project I've started exactly for the reason of improving articles on alike bands? I mean - yesterday The Used were rock band, now they're back to emo/post-hardcore - the point of the project is to draw the line on what music was and what music is emo and to give the bands their appropriate label. You can find more on the Front Page about how to it could possibly be achieved. Iceness 23:12, 9 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for joining! If you think you can help - please check the Talk Page of the project. Iceness 13:04, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Unspecified source for Image:Menchaca.jpg
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Welcome to Esperanza!
Welcome, Dark jedi requiem, to Esperanza! As you might know, all the Esperanzians share one important goal: the success of this encyclopedia. Within that, we then attempt to strengthen the community bonds, and be the "approachable" side of the project. All of our ideals are held in the Charter, the governing document of the association.

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Re:Photo
Hi Dark jedi requiem! Thanks so much for doing that - I'd have a shot at expanding it a little but I haven't really got the time just now. --Fir0002 05:55, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Editor review
Glad to have helped. Two things about the image: a regular picture that is free is, in most cases, better than a good fair use one, and second, I believe Commons administrator review the different free images uploaded in Wikipedia and move them to Commons when they consider them necessary. Since apparently there is no free image about that fish in the repository, it may be moved someday, however I am not really sure about what they take into account to do that. Good luck! -- ReyBrujo 17:06, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Acoustic Disc
I am not 100% sure but I think that it is located in San Rafael, California. I am looking for an old newsletter that I have to confirm this. Moorematthews 12:21, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

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Style
Ciao! I've just wikified The Pizza Tapes articles. If you give a look to my edits, you'll have an idea of some stylistical guidelines for Wikipedia (not only music) articles. Bye and good work!! --Attilios 10:43, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

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Image:Stretch Arm Strong press photo.jpg
Thanks for uploading Image:Stretch Arm Strong press photo.jpg. I notice the 'image' page specifies that the image is being used under fair use, but its use in Wikipedia articles fails our first fair use criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed image could reasonably be found or created. If you believe this image is not replaceable, please:


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 * Sorry, but I disagree. I've added plenty of decent concert photos taken by fans; see for instance Adrian Belew, David Sanborn, Bauhaus, Ray Charles, David J, and Mr. Quintron. Maybe they're not as good as professional promo photos, but guess what&mdash;the text of a lot of our articles isn't up to professional standards either. Doesn't mean we should start copying articles from Britannica. &mdash; Chowbok  ☠  05:35, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think the Bauhaus photo captures the spirit of the band in a way that all the promo photos have not, actually. But to each his own. I know you didn't say that the articles are good. I was using a metaphor. And you're right, we do copy from the public domain edition of Britannica&mdash;and if you find a public domain photo of Stretch Arm Strong, upload it with my blessing. &mdash; Chowbok  ☠  06:09, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Two questions:
 * 1. Why do they all have to be in the same picture? Why can't we make a composite of photos of the individual members?
 * 2. Why are you assuming the only way to get a freely-licensed photo of a band is to take a photo of them in concert? Have you tried writing Stretch Arm Strong's management to see if they'll release this or some other photo under the GFDL or equivalent? &mdash; Chowbok  ☠  06:35, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Talking about liklihood of lawsuits really kinda misses the point, at least for me. The goal here is to create a freely-redistributable encylopedia. Every fair-use image we have takes us further from that. I don't think writing every notable band's management for a free photo is as impossible as you think, considering how many editors we have. And we also have a fair amount of clout that we didn't use to have&mdash;the Wikipedia article is in the top 3 Google hits for so many individuals and bands, and no good publicist will want to ignore that. But aside from all that, the question is, what's more important to you: having an encyclopedia that is free for anyone to copy, or pretty pictures? Only one of those two goals appears in Wikipedia's five pillars and Wales's Statement of Principles, and that's the one I go for in a conflict. &mdash; Chowbok  ☠  16:03, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Please don't remove the tag. I remain convinced that this is replaceable fair use. If you want to make your case to the admins, please do so on the talk page, and they'll make the final decision. &mdash; Chowbok  ☠  20:04, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Alternative Press
Go ahead and put it back then. However there is a difference between the fox news page citing its slogan, and a multi sentence opinion of the company by the company. Maybe you can find some middle ground, but I wouldn't be bothered if you felt it should be reverted. Hoponpop69 05:49, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank You
I too recently became involved in a rather circular and, to my way of thinking, pointless fair use imbroglio (to call it a dispute is to give it too much weight) with User:Chowbok. My wiki-fu is not as strong as yours, but I hope that more strong Wikipedians will get involved on the side of legitimate, safe and sane fair useage, especially of promotional photos -- which, after all, exist soley to be fairly used. Anyhow, I very much appreciated/enjoyed your comments on User talk:Chowbok, and strongly support them. Jenolen 11:33, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

The Used
I'm not deleting valuable information. I'm deleting incorrect information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clintisiceman (talk • contribs) 07:44, 13 November 2006

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WikiProject Marine life
Yeah, i am still interested. I joined it a few months ago with the aim to do the same as you - restart it. I did a bit but then i got more involved with Wikiprojects Cetaceans and Sharks. I will gladly lend a hand here and there whenever needed, and will probably try and get some of the stuff working like on those other projects such as the assessments and COTW. C hris_huh talk 23:07, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

More replaceable fair use images

 * Image:Vanna.JPG
 * Image:Western Addiction.jpg

&mdash; Chowbok  ☠  20:29, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Response
I'm not "ignoring everybody's concerns", I'm doing what I think is best despite the fact that some people disagree with me. There are plenty of people that agree with me, too. I could just as easily say that you're "ignoring everybody's concerns" by uploading unnecessary fair-use photos and needlessly encumbering what should be a mostly freely-distributable encyclopedia. I don't say things like that because I know you're doing what you think is best for Wikipedia, even though I disagree with it.

As far as a policy, I think the policy is already in place, and has been. For a long time the first fair use criterion says that a fair use image should not be used if a freely-licensed photo "could be created". It's right there in the first sentence. I'm not sure why I have to keep arguing this with people when it's so plainly stated.

I'm sorry you feel I'm tearing down your hard work, but I believe I'm working to improve the encyclopedia just as much as I would be with any text editing. You really shouldn't view it as a slap in the face, that's not at all what's intended. At the same time, we shouldn't continue to violate policy so that we won't hurt anyone's feelings. &mdash; Chowbok  ☠  16:20, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't agree that only the text is supposed to be redistributed. That's an odd interpretation, and one that I don't think is supported by any WP mission-statement–like texts.


 * Your list isn't terribly representative; the people who agree with me aren't posting on my talk page complaining about my actions. I'll point out that nearly every image I've nominated for deletion that's been processed has indeed been deleted. That means that most of the admins processing this stuff agree with me. Not that right and wrong is determined by majority vote.


 * Anyway, you're really wasting your time arguing with me about this. I'm just a turtle named Mack. Your gripe is with the honchos. &mdash; Chowbok  ☠  05:52, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

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Marine Life Wikiproject
Hello! :) Unfortunately, I have been somewhat busy of late. I'm not sure how much time I could dedicate to the Marine Life Wikiproject, but I will certainly keep it in my list of things to check periodically. :)

Have a good day! :)  Srose  (talk)  17:32, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Replacethisimage
Because nobody pays any attention to replacethisimage. For instance, see Image:Vectra1.jpg; that's had a replacethisimage tag since March, and nobody's bothered to replace it, despite that it would be trivial to do so. Why not? Because we already have one. Also, people give you a lot of crap when you replace a promotional photo of a band with a free one. &mdash; Chowbok  ☠  00:55, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Speedy notice on articles
The template says to do that; take it up at Template talk:Replaceable fair use if you're against it. &mdash; Chowbok  ☠  01:56, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Your message came out garbled, but just read the template. It says to add, to image captions, and that's what I'm doing. And I'm not "messing up user boxes"; I forgot one pipe on one userbox, which you could have just as easily fixed instead of giving me a hard time over what was obviously a typo. &mdash; Chowbok   ☠  02:08, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I know I messed up the userbox; I just said that. It was a typo. Do you normally simply fix typos you find in articles, or do you typically look at the history to find out who made the mistakes and yell at them at their talk pages? If the former, I would appreciate it if you would also extend that courtesy to me. &mdash; Chowbok  ☠  02:15, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

hallo dark jedi requiem - salar image
thank you for the kind words, it is Salmo salar Uwe Kils 10:12, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Image:Chris Cornell promo.jpg
Thanks for uploading Image:Chris Cornell promo.jpg. I notice the 'image' page specifies that the image is being used under fair use, but its use in Wikipedia articles fails our first fair use criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed image could reasonably be found or created. If you believe this image is not replaceable, please:


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Chowbok RfC
I have begun RfC procedures for User:Chowbok. Since you've had previous disputes with him about image uploads, maybe you'd like to add your commentary? TheQuandry 16:31, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

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