User talk:Darkwarriorblake/Archive 16

VOTE FOR A PROJECT!
A chat open to anyone. I am struggling to decide on which film to do for 1996 and 1998. Looking at 1996 in film and 1998 in film there aren't many films that remain endearing to me. Just drop a signature under whichever one you prefer, one from each year. It's not a democracy though, I'm not going to work on something I just don't care about and I prefer it to have at least 2k views on average, no point making an article for 65 people. I don't want to do another Die Hard or Batman film.

1996 - I decided to go with Scream, but I might take a look at some other suggestions just to tidy them up a little.
This year actually has a lot of films I watched and enjoyed, but I'm not sure if there is value in Independence Day (1996 film) or Twister in terms of modern influence. I love The Rock but you can imagine how hard it would be to research that on Google. The two biggest choices I am drawn to are:
 * Scream (1996 film)
 * Votes: Lankyant (talk) 01:27, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Aoba47 (talk) 18:33, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Lazman321 (talk) 01:29, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
 *  Mike  Allen  23:52, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The Night Watch    (talk)   06:43, 2 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Space Jam
 * Votes: Newtothisedit (talk) 22:40, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * — Ssven2  Looking at you, kid 09:16, 4 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Make a suggestion
 * Suggestions: Maybe Mars Attacks! or Happy Gilmore? JOE BRO  64  11:07, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I say either Happy Gilmore or Twister, but Space Jam would also be a fun read. I love your work but I do get more excited when you do articles that are poorly expanded and not already GAs :-) – zmbro (talk) (cont) 19:36, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Out of curiosity which of the ones I've done fall into that category? I don't generally pay attention to if they're GAs or not, just the length/depth of the content and the aesthetic issues. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 21:27, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I know the two Batman ones and T2 were been GAs, but things like Raiders, Groundhog Day, Empire, Starship Troopers, and a few others weren't. – zmbro (talk) (cont) 13:27, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * As far as suggestions go, The Rock, Space Jam or Twister are honestly great ones to go for. Scream is good too (a trendsetter for slasher films) but looking at your work on more serious films, a more light-hearted loony film for a change would be good for you imo. —  Ssven2  Looking at you, kid 09:22, 4 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Evita, far and away my favorite of 1996 (but already featured, so not a contender). Randy Kryn (talk) 12:25, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Closed, a fairly obvious winner has emerged.

 * Blade (1998 film) because it was bad ass but I imagine it would just be a nightmare to source and bring up to a deep level of content.
 * Votes: Aoba47 (talk) 02:43, 5 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Saving Private Ryan, I'm mostly learning toward this one. I've only ever watched it once and that heart stab freaked me out but it is special to me because I know my dad liked it.
 * Votes: JOE BRO  64  11:07, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Lankyant (talk) 01:27, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
 * SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 00:13, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:57, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * – ♠Vamí _IV†♠  21:33, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
 * AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:23, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
 * --Newtothisedit (talk) 16:50, 11 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Armageddon (1998 film), similarly he liked this but I don't think it contributes much to Wikipedia or society to expand on it.
 * Votes:


 * Make a suggestion:
 * Suggestions: Aside from Ryan I'd say either Rush Hour or The Truman Show but I'd personally choose the former of the two. – zmbro (talk) (cont) 19:36, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * After rewatching Truman Show I'd go with that one. Also for 2000, maybe American Psycho? – zmbro (talk) (cont) 11:04, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll consider them both, I think I'd have to rewatch the Truman Show, I've only ever watched it the once because I was obviously a huge Jim Carrey fan at the time, dude was on a legendary run, but I don't recall thinking it was all that great. American Psycho might be a good shout, it's meme legacy alone is substantial. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 15:45, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

I vote for Scream. Hdog1996 (talk) 17:53, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Another suggestion I'd make is Dark City. Quirky and yet quite intriguing. A lot of technical aspects involved in it too. —  Ssven2  Looking at you, kid 09:15, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

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Promotion of Back to the Future

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Style and content. Reference subgrouping?
Do you think grouping references into footnotes with a generic caption is an improvement? The editor specifically said he was doing it "to help out DWB". I expect you might have done this sort of thing already as part of your rewrite if it was something you actually wanted but maybe you do like this extra subgrouping. It seems very strange to me.

I was almost going to revert it but it was so weird and clearly deliberate I asked the editor to explain. Perhaps it is something new or just that I have not seen before. While I have seen some editors group multiple references together inside a tag and using a list, I have not seen this particular version of subgrouping them using footnotes and a generic caption. This seems overcomplicated and unnecessary to me but I try to focus on content issues rather than style issues and but if you like the extra subgrouping then maybe it could still be improved, and a more specific useful caption provided.

(While I'm already commenting here I may as well point out that I another issue. I strongly disagree your recent bold change that added inflation adjusted figures to the article, and in particular that they were added as footnotes in the Infobox and have tried to explain on the Talk page in more detail than an edit summary would allow.) -- 109.78.195.60 (talk) 14:52, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * User_talk:Zmbro has mostly answered my questions about this style of reference grouping. -- 109.78.195.60 (talk) 15:45, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Aliens FAC
Hey mate, love the work you do on Wiki! I wondered if you had thought about renominating Aliens for FA. I would be happy to help. Would also love if you could have a look over Alien (film). Both deserve to be made to Featured.

Thanks Lankyant (talk) 20:51, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * You're in luck, I literally renominated Aliens for FAC about 20 minutes ago - Featured article candidates/Aliens (film)/archive2. At the moment I'm trying to get Aliens done so the 80s are complete and then finish off the 90s. I might do Alien in the future but I'm trying to avoid doing more than one film in a series, I only did Ghostbusters 1 and 2 because I started them before I started picking a film a year, otherwise I'd have probably done the original 1989 Batman. TBH it'd be nice if other editors picked up my work as a bit of a template and did some of the other films that needed doing, even if it was a section as doing these FACs can easily take a month of on and off work. Like to get through to the 2020s, that's probably 2-3 years away if I kept going as I have been doing which is unlikely as I need a break from it. It's the 90s in particular that have worn me out because they're all so special effects heavy that I end up having to write effects sections almost as long as the entire article of the film. I can see some elements I'm doing get picked up, like I was going to work on American Psycho and I can see that has been doing a good job over there. RE: Alien, TBF, looking at Alien now it looks like a lot of work has been done, it just needs some copyediting and probably references checking, but the frame seems to be there. Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 21:00, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh that's weird, sorry I didn't even check! I'm planning to do the work on Alien, got a section on feminism to write out. apologies I meant more look it over as it is now and point me in what direction to get it to FA as I just rescued it back to GA, as opposed to you doing it all (thought I might as well get the advice of the pro) Good luck with the Aliens FAN and thanks for the amazing work you've done for Wikipedia Lankyant (talk) 21:08, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * If you ever want input or someone to go over the writing I'm more than happy to do that. It's the info gathering stage that is a nightmare, because you're pulling random bits of interesting info from hundreds of sources and then have to stitch them altogether and tbh it's getting a bit tiring on my wrists which is another reason I need to take a break. It's hard because I enjoy doing it. I'm doing Se7en right now because I'm hoping it's relatively simple, but then after I finished re-watching the film this morning I saw that Rob Bottin did the effects for it -_- so that's probably gonna be super detailed. I need something simple again like Trading Places, no effects, just basic filming please XD Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 21:11, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Appreciate it! And yea I can imagine it's a nightmare of a grind. Amazing you've done so many.
 * Just do Office Space (film), simple, great, basic film with a cult following ;) no flashiness or special effects and it's actually a good 90s film!
 * But yea do take a break, don't break yourself for the wiki! Lankyant (talk) 02:56, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Aliens rollback
Actually that rollback of mine on Aliens of your image removal was an accidental misclick. I hadn’t even noticed I’d done it so apologies. Perils of using a tablet. Canterbury Tail talk 23:57, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah shit, sorry, I just wanted the FA to go smoothly, I did this article like a year or two ago now and I just want it off my list. Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 18:09, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah no worries, I'm the one responsible for my edits accidental or not. Canterbury Tail talk 18:36, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

My edition in Starship Troopers (1997) was undid by you
Why did you undid my edit on the 1997 Starship Troopers movie article? Because the truth is you are deleting data that is already known and was already released a long time ago. Many sources describe the movie is owned by Sony Pictures and Buena Vista Pictures, that's why 1997 Starship Troopers was released by Sony Pictures Releasing only in North America territory, and by Buena Vista Pictures Distribution only in non-North America territory. And by the way, I remember very well when the distribution section from the infobox of the article of the mentioned movie describes Sony Pictures Releasing as the distributor in North America territory, and Buena Vista Pictures Distribution as the distributor in non-North America territory. So, I am disagree for undid my edit. Ivo Reátegui (talk) 15:27, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Disagree all you want, the difference in your content and mine is that mine is sourced and yours isn't. Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 20:38, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Your answer seems to be rude. First, you told me that my content of my edit is unsourced and your is it. However, the fact is the movie is the main source of the content that I put. You shoudl have check the main movie again including its posters, DVD covers and Blu-ray covers apart of the sources that you know for understand why I put that information in my edit. Finally, remember that the information that I put in my edit on 1997 Starship Troopers is not in vain. Ivo Reátegui (talk) 00:50, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The Infobox is for the theatrical release, not blu-rays, DVDs, or anything else, and it's sourced to two industry sources. Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 11:01, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Review swap
Hey! I noticed you've got Aliens up at FAC and I'd be willing to give a review in exchange for a review of my current FAC, Katana Zero. <small style="color:red">JOE BRO  64  20:56, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Sure I'll take a look Joe. Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 20:58, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

October 2022 New Pages Patrol backlog drive
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Review restore
Bro why did u restored my edit in the dark knight...it is fact that it is the 49th highest-grossing film of all time.... Harharshit (talk) 18:17, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Because you removed the part that said it was the 4th highest grossing film of its time, which is an achievement. Being the 49th highest grossing film NOW is not. Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 18:31, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

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The Dark Knight

 * Thanks Baffle! Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 16:30, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
 * No worries, we got there eventually! :) Good luck with your planned FA nom. Cheers,  Baffle☿gab  18:14, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Aliens (film)
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Terminator 2 effects
Hello Blake I would just like to let you know that some of your spelling on the terminator 2 judgment day effects page was incorrect in some places. Pettymars0193 (talk) 16:18, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

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Question/suggestion
Hey there DWB. I noticed you hadn't yet chosen a film for 2003 yet so I have a question for ya. What about Elf? It's one of my favs (currently watching it rn) and undeniably a Christmas classic (the page views certainly show for it. Given it turns 20 next year, it's just a thought. Happy holidays :-) – zmbro (talk) (cont) 02:32, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks Zmbro, you have a nice holiday too. I will consider it but I don't recall being super fond of Elf, not in that it was bad, I think I just watched it too late in life to really like it, but I know people who worship it so who knows? Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 21:14, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Good job
Hey! Just wanted to come by and say that The Dark Knight looks amazing. Good job and good luck on the FA process!  Mike  Allen  20:30, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you Mike, still a lot to go though, I'm squeezing it in where I can! Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 21:13, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Merry Merry!

 * Thanks, hope you have a great time too! Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 23:11, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Re: Aliens
Thanks for your great work. I saw the film when it was first released, and the honest truth is that there was nothing else like it at the time and blew a lot of minds. Cameron was able to do something that had never been done before, a true innovator, and that’s somewhat rare in a world where everyone is a copycat of some kind another. Viriditas (talk) 09:05, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you, yes Cameron was on a roll with this and Terminator 2. Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 23:24, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

The Dark Knight
You just got another FA, well done! <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 22:33, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and for your thorough review to help make it its best. That's my 23rd featured article and on the 1st of the 1st, 2023. Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 23:44, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
 * No problem at all :) <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 01:35, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Promotion of The Dark Knight

 * Thank you once again for working on the article of this masterpiece film. Anything less than FA doesn’t do this film proper justice. If you plan to work on a 2010 film at some point, consider Inception. :) FrB.TG (talk) 01:41, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Inception might win by default, there isn't much I like in 2010. From 2000-2011 is a pretty bad time for movies for me as the biggest stuff is all Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Pirates of the Caribbean, Twilight Saga, the terrible fourth Indiana Jones, remakes, reboots, and Transformers + their sequels, and I just wasn't into any of that at all. And then the 2010+ are pretty much all Marvel films, which there are some I like but they all have a very specific article format that I can't change so there's no interest there for me in working on them. Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 20:06, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Gladiator Article for 2000 Featured Article Project.
Hello, I expanded the Gladiator (2000) article to match your style and maybe you could add it as your feature article project for 2000. Take a look at it and see if you could edit it. I’m struggling with the context section because of my syntax. Also, thanks for doing the Saving Private Ryan article for your project. Can’t to read that.

I also have some ideas for your FA project. Fill free to use these suggestions.

1996 - Scream

2000 - Gladiator 2001 - Legally Blonde 2002 - Spider-Man 2003 - Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl 2004 - Spider-Man 2 2005 - Batman Begins 2006 - Casino Royale 2007 - Transformers 2008 - The Dark Knight / Special effects of The Dark Knight 2009 - Avatar/The Hangover

2010 - Inception 2011 - Bridemaids 2012 - Dredd 2013 - Pacific Rim 2014 - Edge of Tomorrow 2015 - Mad Max: Fury Road 2016 - Rogue One: A Star Wars Story 2017 - Blade Runner 2049 2018 - A Quiet Place 2019 - Joker Hdog1996 (talk) 05:42, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Back to the Future scheduled for TFA
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A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you ! :) Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 21:22, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the Saving Private Ryan contributions
Thanks for doing Saving Private Ryan as your pick for 1998. That’s my all time favorite movie. Hope you have a 1996 movie ready to do! Hdog1996 (talk) 02:59, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I might move to a more recent film next, I want something relatively easy like John Wick (2014), which I might use to replace Edge of Tomorrow because that article is already pretty built up, and The Matrix is gonna be super lengthy because of all the special effects, themes, merchandise, and spin-offs. Scream seems to be winning 1996, but that will be hard to research because it's a common word and they did another film in the series with the same name which does not help. It actually gets harder as time goes on because there aren't many films in the 2000s and 2010s that I'm as passionate about as the 80s ones. Like 1987 has Robocop, Lethal Weapon, Predator, Beverly Hills Cop 2, Masters of the Universe, Hellraiser, Planes Trains and Automobiles, Roxanne, Spaceballs, and THe Lost Boys. So many great films to develop just that year, while the 2000s is all Harry Potter, Transformers, Lord of the Rings, and terrible horror films and remakes. The 2010s at least have John Wick and Mad Max Fury Road (I like Marvel films, there's just no point working on those articles, they're already massive), although I'm not sure whether to do John Wick 1 or 2, as I actually prefer 1 a bit because it opens the world more. Decisions, decisions. If I could only get paid to do this... Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 10:26, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

John Wick one would be a fun one to do. Hdog1996 (talk) 15:26, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

1996
Have you seen Evita? Thanks for putting my attention on it again, haven't seen it in years, an amazing film and the key to watching it is knowing that Che is Che Guevera as Evita's alter-ego if she was a male in a macho dominated South America at the time. It's quite interesting that Antonio Banderas is almost a spitting image of Che at that age. A masterpiece, and Madonna was literally born to play the role (it's on her birth certificate). Randy Kryn (talk) 12:41, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * No, I am aware of Evita but it's not really in my wheelhouse . Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 12:48, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

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Precious anniversary
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 * Thank you very much for your efforts !! Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 10:15, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for TFA Back to the Future, introduce with music: "Dun dun dunnnnnnnn dun dun dun dun dun dunnnnnnnn da da da dun dun dun dun dun da dunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
 * You should now hopefully have the song stuck in your head for a while. This article is about Back to the Future, possibly the greatest family film ever made about a kid going back in time and almost accidentally having sex with his mom. Pure family entertainment with an enduring legacy, it is now your turn to go feel the power of love and supply the 1.21 gigawatts of electricity needed to elevate this article to FA status." - Sorry, I was busy that day and then forgot. I like your new signature. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your diligence as always ! Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 12:47, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Your reversion of my edit to "Raiders of the Lost Ark"
Greetings and felicitations. I noticed that you reverted my edits to Raiders of the Lost Ark, with the comment

"Restored revision 1129289073 by Nowy Prywaciarz (talk): This rank isn't in the sources and not how his google searches show him either, the positioning of the separate article link doesn't seem to change it visually at all, but it does create further white space at the bottom of the section unnnecessarily"

On the first point, you are correct; I made the change to Major Todt's agency because it matched his entry in the List of Indiana Jones characters. However, upon checking, I have found that the novelization supports your contention, and have fixed the other mention of it.

On the second point, the MOS supports my version—see MOS:ORDER—a link I usually include in my comments to this type of change, but apparently forgot this time. I also forgot to delete the "-|clear" template, which would removed the whitespace by allowing the images in question to carry over into the next section.

In light of these points, would you please be so kind as to allow me to re-implement my change to the positioning of the hatnote, as well as to delete the "clear" template? —DocWatson42 (talk) 14:26, 27 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Oops—I forgot to point out that in mobile format the relative positioning of the hatnote and the images is noticeable—the two items are stacked, the order depending upon which is first on the page. —DocWatson42 (talk) 15:08, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the feedback Doc, if you want to change the hatnote that's fine, I will try and sort something out regarding the white space without it impacting the section below. Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 15:47, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Your most recent edit looks good to me—thank you. ^_^ —DocWatson42 (talk) 12:45, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Stop it
I don’t care how many editors agreed upon it or whether or not it went under an FAC check. Please stop reverting my constructive edits to Groundhog Day (film), or just put a lock on it if you think it’s infallible. 67.169.64.53 (talk) 18:37, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * No? You don't get to make edits and people can't undo them because they disagree with them. Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 18:41, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Possible Sources for the Context section for your John Wick Project.
If you’re on planning adding a context section for your John Wick project, I have some sources you can use.

https://www.indiewire.com/2014/08/four-summer-2014-box-office-takeaways-how-hollywood-lost-its-mojo-239623/amp/

https://variety.com/2014/film/news/summer-box-office-low-analysis-1201292170/amp/

I even made a draft of it if you would like to use it. I can’t find any articles that say there was low expectations for the film, so you’re going to have to find some.

Context (John Wick). By the theatrical fall of 2014, the film industry was in decline. The theatrical summer had a total cross of $4.1 billion, a 15% decline from the previous summer and the lowest total since 2006. This was a result of shifting release dates, a lack of anticipated films that were either delayed to 2015 or being disturbed on video on demand, and a lack of anticipated projects from top male stars. Even as production costs went down and attendance for female audiences rose, industry analysts blamed the decline on the weaker slate of films released that summer. Studio executives were expecting the fall slate of films to match the previous year’s record performance, with anticipation for Gone Girl, Interstellar, The Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part I, and The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies, but expectations were low for John Wick as Reeves had not been in high demand in recent years. Hdog1996 (talk) 06:10, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, this is fantastic and I really appreciate it, takes a little work off my plate. Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 10:52, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

You’re welcome. I can help you with the context part of your Scream project if you want, but that’s going to be hard because for one, the film came out in December and I can’t find articles on the holiday theatrical season of 1996, and two I can’t find good articles about what the box office was after that summer. Hdog1996 (talk) 18:25, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * You absolutely don't have to do that, but if you do want to, I have found these links:
 * https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1997/01/08/1996-turned-down-the-volume-on-record-sales/7674d86d-b370-4d66-89b2-aacab097ff39/
 * https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1996-12-31-ca-14282-story.html
 * https://web.archive.org/web/20230118201537/https://www.nytimes.com/1996/06/27/movies/how-a-sure-summer-hit-missed.html


 * I've found if you use Google, put in your search term and follow it with site:variety.com (Variety.com as an example) you can search just that website but the search results can be sometimes better than the site's own search function. You are right however, I wasn't able to see much relating to the summer box office which is surprising given it had Independence Day. The difficulty is knowing what terms to search for, I search for box office but it could be "Summer in review", "looking back at the theater", anything really as it's not consistent. There doesn't seem to be much discussion about how Scream was perceived leaidng up to its release either. Sometimes it's just not possible, Aliens doesn't have a context section, I really struggled even to find analysis of its performance which stunned me because, to me, Aliens should be a huge film, but apparently at the time, it did well but it wasn't analysed or looked at much beyond that. Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 19:00, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Here’s some I found that is the closet.

https://ew.com/article/1996/09/06/summer-1996-box-office-report/

https://www.nytimes.com/1996/07/30/movies/hollywood-reeling-as-many-blockbusters-become-quick-busts.html Hdog1996 (talk) 19:47, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you Hdog. I tell a lie, Aliens does have a context section, it was the analysis I struggled with. I'll take a look at your refs soon. Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 19:56, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

So I made a draft for the context section for your Scream project if you want to use it instead of making one yourself. This the best I could do. It’s mainly a cross between your analysis for Starship Troopers and Groundhog’s Day.

I also found more sources and found a good article on Scream from the Ringer, which also did excellent articles for Total Recall and Terminator 2.

Context (Scream)

In 1996, the domestic box office reached a record $5.8 billion and had twelve films grossed over $100 million, with Independence Day and Twister earning over $300 million and $200 million respectively. However, the success of the industry’s performance was undermined by a glut of too many releases that resulted in several box office flops, while also making it difficult for otherwise successful films to turn in a profit. Record high-salaries for actors such as Jim Carrey and Demi Moore also became the subject of industry scrutiny as The Cable Guy and Striptease failed commercially. This resulted in studios having to reduce their film slate by fifty percent as a result of rising costs of making and marketing movies and underperforming films. Miramax had planned to release Scream as counter-programming in the holiday season of 1996, where forty films were scheduled for release including Space Jam, Ransom, The English Patient, Star Trek: First Contact, Mars Attacks!, Beavis and Butthead Do America, and Jerry Maguire.

https://www.austinchronicle.com/screens/1996-11-29/525712/

https://www.nytimes.com/1996/07/30/movies/hollywood-reeling-as-many-blockbusters-become-quick-busts.html

https://www.nytimes.com/1996/06/17/business/film-glut-prompts-disney-to-halve-production.html

https://www.theringer.com/platform/amp/movies/2021/12/20/22840882/scream-oral-history-wes-craven-neve-campbell-drew-barrymore Hdog1996 (talk) 15:05, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much again Hdog, this is really helpful :) Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 18:50, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

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T2
Hey I know you're in the middle of trying to get this thing promoted. After reading the Production section, I just felt the need to make some changes. Hopefully you consider most of that minor and helpful. I may keep going if I can find the time. -- GoneIn60 (talk) 00:27, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * No it's fine, thank you GoneIn60 Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 21:41, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. Feel free to revert anything back that I touch. Going to fly through a few more sections. --GoneIn60 (talk) 02:46, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Revised Scream Context section and possible Top section
I understand that your user page for Scream and John Wick have been moved to [removed], but regardless I still want to contribute to the Scream page since that’s one of my favorite horror films.

I revised the context section you guys can use for Scream and found two references that can be useful. It’s mainly similar to Seven’s context analysis and has a mix of Groundhog’s Day’s context analysis. Because Scream was released in late 1996, I pretty much decided to discuss how the year had record performances, but a glut of too many releases.

Context

The theatrical year of 1996 achieved a $5.8 billion domestic box office record and had twelve films grossed over $100 million, with Independence Day and Twister earning over $300 million and $200 million respectively. However, the box office record was also impacted by a glut of too many releases that resulted in several box office flops, studio bankruptcies, and otherwise successful films struggling to turn in a profit due to the rise in production costs. A contributing factor was the record high-salaries for celebrities such as Sylvester Stallone, Tom Cruise, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Mel Gibson, Jim Carrey, Harrison Ford, Michael Douglas, Sharon Stone, Julia Roberts, and Demi Moore that became the subject of industry scrutiny following several high profile flops that were released in between 1995 and 1996. This resulted in studios, including Miramax’s sister company Buena Vista Pictures, having cutting their film slate by fifty percent to offset growing production and marketing costs and ensure more profits. Forty films were scheduled for release in the late theatrical year of 1996 including Space Jam, Ransom, Star Trek: First Contact, Mars Attacks!, Beavis and Butthead Do America, and Jerry Maguire. Along with their Academy Awards contender The English Patient, Miramax had planned to release Scream as counter-programming in the holiday season, a decision that was unpopular from the cast and crew.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1995-11-14-fi-2989-story.html https://www.upi.com/Archives/1996/04/08/Study-Film-stars-are-overpaid/2778828936000/

I also made a revised top section you and UltraEgo can use and revise around. Enjoy

Top

Scream is a 1996 American slasher film directed by Wes Craven and written by Kevin Williamson. It stars David Arquette, Neve Campbell, Courteney Cox, Matthew Lillard, Rose McGowan, Skeet Ulrich, Jamie Kennedy, and Drew Barrymore. Set in the fictional town of Woodsboro, California, high school student Sidney Prescott (Campbell) and her group of friends become the targets of a mysterious killer in a Halloween costume known as Ghostface on the anniversary of her mother’s death.

Williamson, a struggling writer at the time, was inspired by reports of a series of murders by the Gainesville Ripper. Developed under the title Scary Movie, Williamson’s script became the subject of an intense bidding war from multiple studios before Miramax Films purchased the rights. Despite turning down the film multiple times, Craven agreed to direct the film after considering the script’s satirical nature of the clichés of the slasher genre popularized in films such as Halloween (1978), Friday the 13th (1980), and Craven's own A Nightmare on Elm Street (1984). The involvement of Barrymore and Cox helped secure support from the studio. Principal photography took place from April to June of 1996 in California on a budget of $15 million. Craven had to trimmed down the violence in the film after being subjected in a tense conflict with the Motion Picture Association of America over the desired R-rating he wanted.

Scream was not expected to perform well on its December 20, 1996 theatrical release date, a time normally reserved for family entertainment. Despite this, it went on to earn approximately $173 million worldwide, becoming a surprise success and one of the highest-grossing films of the year. Critics praised the performances of its cast and its unique meta style of the characters being aware of real-world horror films, but criticized the violence and conforming to the cliches it tried to subvert. Scream revitalized the careers of Craven and Barrymore and helped elevate the careers of its young cast.

Scream is now regarded as one of the greatest horror and slasher films ever made. It has been credited for rekindling interest in the horror genre during the 1990s following an influx of direct-to-video titles, numerous sequels, and crime thrillers with horror elements. It has been considered a influential landmark to 21st century horror cinema, particularly casting already-established and successful actors, as well as marketing films towards teenage audiences. The film has had a lasting impact on popular culture, with Ghostface considered as one of the greatest horror villains in film history, though it had also received controversy for claims of real-world copycat crimes inspirations and inducing violence. The success of the film launched a multimedia franchise, which comprised the sequels Scream 2 (1997), Scream 3 (2000), Scream 4 (2011), Scream (2022), and Scream 6 (2023), as well as a television anthology series.

Hope this helps! Hdog1996 (talk) 03:20, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The point of the other account is to work without someone stealing my incomplete work and pasting it into another article so how have you come across it? I appreciate your help and I'll integrate it once I have finished up some other work. Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 12:49, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Collaboration on Gladiator
I’ve been considering doing a sandbox on Gladiator (2000) to make it a feature article page. I know you’re going to be busy with The Matrix and Mad Max: Fury Road soon but I was wondering if you would like to help me with it. It seriously needs to be rebuilt from the ground up. I need help with casting, production, and historical accuracy and I was wondering if you can provide some sources with me.

I know that film isn’t probably your favorite, but I can make it the 2000 entry for you to use for your project if that’s okay with you. If not, I’d be happy to help with whatever film you pick from 2000.

But first I need to figure out how to transfer a Wikipedia article onto my sandbox. Can you send me a link? Hdog1996 (talk) 06:09, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I'll see, I need a break after doing so many. To create a sandbox you need to go to your user page then add "/articlename". So if you go to User:Hdog1996/Gladiator and click "create page", that's your sandbox. Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 08:19, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Best initial tip for sourcing is to go to nytimes.com and latimes.com, search, sort by date, and you'll tend to find some decent sources. NYtimes sucks because you'll probably have to look up each article in webarchive as it's a subscription service. After that search whatever term you want, i.e. "Gladiator" AND "2000", then add site:hollywoodreporter.com or whichever site you prefer and it will search them generally better than the site's own search engine. Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 08:54, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice. Like I said, Gladiator will be a hard one to work on. Hdog1996 (talk) 05:33, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Invitation to noticeboard
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Featured article candidates/Saving Private Ryan/archive1
I've left comments for this nomination. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 02:17, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Just saw it now has been promoted, and well done on another mission accomplished! <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 22:11, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks Snuggums, I appreciate your help as always. I need to finish off Scream eventually, I've been slacking. Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 23:07, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

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Found a article for Scream
Behold, I found a Los Angeles Times article that is the closest for the summer 1996 box office review. It was from August 16, 1996.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1996-08-16-fi-34898-story.html

It doesn’t exactly state the number of films grossing over $100 million when I skimmed through it, but this will help your context section for Scream. Hdog1996 (talk) 16:58, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

TFA nom for Trading Places
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John Wick (film)

 * Thank you ! Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 12:44, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

I was keeping the Mustang reference deliberately generic - with the specifics in a footnote - to avoid reopening that wound. You deliberately reopened it. Why? DiogenesNY (talk) 20:40, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Because I've now obtained proper sources so that it is discussed properly in the article rather than the hidden note which was still trying to imply that it's intended to be a Mach 1 and Iosef just got it wrong. The sources back up is meant to be a Boss but they couldnt destroy Boss cars, in the plot its a Boss 429 and the differences are negligible to anyone but experts and it is discussed in the article and explained in the note. That's a LOT of backup I have done to both support what it's intended to be in the film and what it is portrayed by which you did not do, so you coming in and changing it again is somewhat irritating to say the least. Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 20:45, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Seven (1995 film)
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Seven (1995 film)
Hi Darkwarriorblake, this is a large article and will take me several decades at least a few days to copy-edit, depending on how much work is needed, so please be patient. Cheers,  Baffle☿gab  00:49, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * No rush, it's not high on my list of articles I'm taking to FA status right now so no rush. I did notice you've added " Mills opens the package and is horrified at its contents" which I've not changed becasue it'd require further changes in the preceding and following sentences and I don't want to interfere with what you're doing, but Mills never sees inside the box, only Somerset does. Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 11:07, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah I see, thanks for picking up on that, I'll check the history and correct it later tonight. I haven't seen that film since 1995 at the flicks. Cheers,  Baffle☿gab  22:28, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I've corrected the above error. While working today, I've noticed some over-citation in the Production --> Casting subsection, which I've tagged with overcite; in one case, one sentence has five refs. I've also noticed some uncited direct quotations; I've marked these with citation needed tags. I realize these are probably cited at the end of the paragraph but direct quotations should have an inline reference per WP:CITE. I'll continue marking these problems as I work through the article. Cheers,  Baffle☿gab  06:42, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
 * In the second paragraph of "Design" --> "Style and set design", a word is missing from the following sentence: . I've added [clarification needed] where the missing word (obviously a noun) should be. Cheers,  Baffle☿gab  01:42, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

In "Design" --> "Title credits", I find. You should state the artist of "Closer" and wikilink the name if possible. If you can't do either, maybe remove "Closer" and just say "one of his music videos instead. Cheers,  Baffle☿gab  02:11, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I've also moved the contents of the section "Post release", which included the subsections "Home media" and "Other media", to the main "Release" section, where I'd expect to find it. Cheers,  Baffle☿gab  03:18, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I also found one sentence quoting from Rolling Stone that actually cited Variety, which quoted the Rolling Stone article so I've added a ref to the original source. Anyway I'm finished; good luck with your planned FA nom. Cheers,  Baffle☿gab  04:38, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Arkham Origins Set In 2013
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 * Reddit is a really unreliable source, for your knowledge. This will help you understand sources that are reliable or not. <b style="color:#ff6600;">TheCorvetteZR1</b><b style="color:#0a0a0a;">(The Garage)</b> 18:05, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Possible 1970s films for FA Project
I doubt you’ll add films from the 1970s, but if you were to include one great film from each year of the 1970s for your project, what would they be? I might see someone doing something like that for films like Apocalypse Now, The Godfather, and maybe Star Wars. Hdog1996 (talk) 01:26, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I think anything like that would be long off, there are so many already to do and I'm a lot busier post-Covid than I was during, but I appreciate your suggestions, Godfather and Star wars are probably ones I would pick. Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 17:30, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Godfather would be a blast to do, especially since there are a ton of sources to use. I even bought the new book of the making of it. Hdog1996 (talk) 22:49, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Side Bar
Hey. Just letting you know that I've been indefinitely suspended from Reddit for "breaking the rules". They're rejecting all my appeals and not communicating with me what exactly I did. It kind of sucks, as I've taken care to be nonconfrontational and admittedly innocuous on the site over the past eleven years. Oh, well... I guess it's also another opportunity to depart from my adolescent DarthBotto persona.  BOTTO ( T • C ) 22:09, 31 May 2023 (UTC)


 * My experience is that moderators work for free for the most part and can be just regular assholes who apply rules arbitrarily so don't take it too personally. You can have that many alternate accounts I'd just sign up again.Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 12:44, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Plot summary of The Kingdom
DWB, a user name Sundayclose has drastically reduced plot summary of The Kingdom to this amount. I hope we can find a way to trim it down properly without such drastic removal of plot summary. BattleshipMan (talk) 14:01, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * , have you seent The Kingdom? Do you know who the "her" is referring to in "Leavitt asked Fleury and Mayes what he had whispered to her to calm her down. "Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 14:30, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Leavitt asks Fleury what he said to Mayes. BattleshipMan (talk) 14:35, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

TFA
Thank you today for Trading Places, "about the 1983 comedy film Trading Places starring Eddie Murphy (in only his second film at the beginning of his career explosion), a pre-Ghostbusters Dan Aykroyd and pre-"The Body" Jamie Lee Curtis. It's one of those comedies that has lasted with me and is enjoyable to put on now and again, and it even gave me an appreciation for classical music." -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:33, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your tireless work as always Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 15:26, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

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Hi, Darkwarriorblake. Apologies for this message but I was wondering whether you still wanted to leave comments at the FAC for Angel Aquino? I am only asking because you did say that you would aim to look at it. However, if things are busy IRL, that is completely fine. Thanks and have a great weekend ahead. Pseud 14 (talk) 18:41, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah sorry, I forgot, I will take a look. Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 18:42, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
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Box Office Data for pre-1991 films
When I read the Robocop article, I was surprised that box office numbers weren’t available outside of North America. How come there is inconsistency when it comes to international box office data during the 1970s and 1980s? There wasn’t never any figures for Robocop’s international box office when Raiders of the Lost Ark and Empire Strikes Back had international figures. Was it a studio problem back then or was box office tracking was different back then? Hdog1996 (talk) 23:20, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't know the definitive answer but if you look at context sections for the 90s films I've done, particularly (I think) Total Recall, I think the idea was that pre-1990s the international market just wasn't considered to be very big and didn't have the same level of tracking publicly as we do today. Then throughout the 1980s you have films that are doing huge numbers more and more on the international stage until the 90s when you have people like Schwarzenegger commanding huge sums because of their international appeal and those markets outside of the US beginning to contribute half or more of the total gross so they became significiantly more important and more worth tracking. Like it's insane to me there's no precise international number for Aliens but they just didn't seem to care about those markets in terms of reporting numbers. Those figures WILL exist, Sudiani has sourced the odd few in very old Variety magazines but these aren't easy to access or free so it's hard to research.Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 17:57, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
 * It’s crazy how much has changed between then and now when tracking international figures. I do agree that researching that is hard, particularly if you’re going to do a film from the 1970s. The other day I was searching the box office weekend tracking for Apocalypse Now and it only showed it placing in the top three on the opening weekend of the 70mm version with no credits.
 * I’m really curious to see how the 2010s films you chose will have in their context and release sections because I saw a trend during the 2010s where films like Warcraft and Pacific Rim had mediocre performances in North America but did outstanding in international markets like China and Japan. Hdog1996 (talk) 05:51, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Proposed clean up for Total Recall’s context section.
I was going add some sources to Total Recall’s context section from the Los Angeles Times and I did a rewrite of it. See if this would be useful to add.

Following the previous year’s record $5 billion box office, more films than ever were expected to surpass $100 million at box office as fifty films were scheduled for release during the summer theater season of 1990 (May 18 – September 3). Dick Tracy was predicted to dominate the summer box office, and films such as Another 48 Hrs., Back to the Future Part III, Days of Thunder, Die Hard 2, RoboCop 2, and Total Recall were expected to perform well based on their brand recognition and star appeal. These films were all scheduled for release by the end of June to ensure a long theatrical run during the peak time of the year, and other releases were scheduled to avoid opening against them. The importance of domestic box office grosses was also decreasing as studios increasingly earned profits from home media releases, television rights, and markets outside of the United States and Canada. International markets increased film production costs as stars commanded higher salaries to compensate for their international appeal, with Total Recall, Die Hard 2, and Days of Thunder among the most expensive films being released. Average salaries for male leads had also increased to between $7–$11 million.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-05-20-ca-257-story.html Hdog1996 (talk) 22:26, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry I missed this Hdog Darkwarriorblake (talk) 16:10, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Film article lead sections
Hello, regarding this edit, I encourage you to read MOS:FILMLEAD again: Any summary of the film's critical reception should avoid synthesis, meaning it should reflect an overall consensus explicitly summarized by one or more reliable sources. Cherrypicking aspects from individual reviews in the article body is exactly the type of synthesis that's addressed here. There are no sources supporting this kind of summary statement presently used in the article, i.e. sources supporting that the film was generally praised for these specific aspects. Throast <sup style="font-size:.7em; line-height:1.5em;"> { { ping }} me! (talk &#124; contribs) 18:55, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * It's a summary of content IN the article, it's not synthesis, that is the content of the section. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 18:58, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding about synthesis. This is another prime example. It's precisely not explicitly supported by these citations because neither of those three sources explicitly say that "several reviewers" have singled out the film's special effects; you're using three individual reviews to reach a new conclusion. WP:SYNTH says that we do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any source. Throast <sup style="font-size:.7em; line-height:1.5em;"> { { ping }} me! (talk &#124; contribs) 19:02, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * It's three reviews praising the special effects, the only change I'd have to make is list three names instead of saying several. I could add thirty reviews but I'm not interested in doing that. The lead is meant to summarize the body text, which part of those aspects do you believe are either not present in the article or countered? It's one of my older projects and I'm happy to hear your thoughts, but just saying "critcally praised" when there's a whole subection of content isn't the answer and it's not Synth to state what is the content. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 19:05, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * See the second bit I bolded above and perhaps think about it for a minute. I know it can be hard to wrap one's head around, especially since so many film articles disregard that policy, but it is synthesis. See the article for Halloween Ends for example, which uses a source that itself summarizes the critical reception. Jurassic Park uses Rotten Tomatoes's summary statement in the lead, as many other articles do. I'm happy to start a talk page discussion tho. Throast <sup style="font-size:.7em; line-height:1.5em;"> { { ping }} me! (talk &#124; contribs) 19:08, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * the only change I'd have to make is list three names instead of saying several -Yes, that is the change you'd have to make in order for it not to be synthesis. :) Throast <sup style="font-size:.7em; line-height:1.5em;"> { { ping }} me! (talk &#124; contribs) 19:11, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * That'd still be several reviewers. You can start a talk page discussion because I don't agree with you. Noone challenged it at its FA which is not that long ago. The only thing I could agree with you on is the use of "non stop" in the lead, everything else is in the content of the critical reception section. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 19:15, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think you've given MOS:FILMLEAD or WP:SYNTH a good read. It is fascinating that this has passed an FA review, but I digress... Off to the talk page. Throast <sup style="font-size:.7em; line-height:1.5em;"> { { ping }} me! (talk &#124; contribs) 19:18, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think you need to go into what does constitute a personal attack of the work I've put in to make the article as good as it is because you have a boner for WP:SYNTH, Throast. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 19:20, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I didn't mean to come off as passive aggressive, if I did I apologize. I genuinely hoped that we might come to an understanding at the end of this. I certainly don't have a "boner" for any Wikipedia policy. Throast <sup style="font-size:.7em; line-height:1.5em;"> { { ping }} me! (talk &#124; contribs) 19:29, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

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Reversal question
Curious why you reversed this edit. Serials engaged in many, many genres. But "serial" is not a genre itself. That's like saying television is a genre. Thmazing (talk) 00:20, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Look at this which is the edit and then read the third paragraph. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 00:22, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 * So . . . I'm right? And I should put it back to how I had it? Thmazing (talk) 00:22, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, no. I see what you're saying. I was right, but I should have made the edit to the first paragraph where the interlink first appears. Thmazing (talk) 00:23, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Proposed assistance to help finish Scream project
I know you’re busy with other projects, but with permission, I would like to help finish your Scream project. I would basically be adding photos and find grammatical errors in it. Hdog1996 (talk) 04:06, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Not right now Hdog, thank you, I want to get the prose and overall content in order first. I will finish it, just got a lot else on, and it's not far off at the moment I'm mostly copy editing. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 12:18, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * , if you want to take a look at sections above filming, that'd be OK, just be careful not to lose info/mis match references. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 20:57, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I can touch up the top section. I was going to remove the part about how the film revitalized Craven and Barrymore’s career since I don’t think it was sourced nor mentioned in the article. Now I believed from what I saw in the review section, the reviews were mixed, but I wasn’t going to add it. Hdog1996 (talk) 01:16, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

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1970s great film project and Daily Variety Reliable?
So I’m just thinking about doing a project that’s exactly like yours except it’s going to be entirely on 1970s films. I’m considering doing Apocalypse Now first because it came out nine months before The Empire Strikes Back and that film, along with Payton, Willy Wonka, The Godfather, The Exorcist, Chinatown, Jaws, Rocky, Star Wars, and Halloween I think warrants a feature article expansion

I’ve tried looking up Apocalypse Now’s domestic weekend box office m at the only data I could find it’s on both Box Office Pro and The Numbers, and it’s only the 70mm version’s opening weekend. However, on Internet Archive, Dailey Variety has detailed tracking on the film for both the 70mm version (no credits) and the 35mm version (the one that had Brando’s base getting blown up). Would Daily Variety be a reliable source and would you recommend I focused on the 35mm version because it was the wide release?

I don’t know how aware you about the multiple difficulties Apocalypse Now had during production, but should I make multiple sections in the filming section in order for it to be both coherent and organized for the reader? Hdog1996 (talk) 04:31, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Daily Variety is just Variety but daily so it should be reliable. In terms of sections I can't tell you exactly because it depends what content you have, and these can change as you develop the article so don't try to fit a set structure. You have things like Empire Strikes Back where the filming section is so big I've put it in it's own section and others like Ghostbusters II where there is a small filming section and a larger post-production section as they had to reshoot a lot. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 19:36, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I feel like Apocalypse Now would have its own section for filming because it was so big and complicated because of harsh weather and typhoons, script rewrites, drug usage, Brando arriving on set literally fat and unprepared, and Martin Sheen suffering a near fatal heart attack after he was a replacement for Harvey Kietel.
 * Sure, Empire Strikes Back was stressful for Lucas because of the harsh conditions and shading financing situations, but Apocalypse Now took a psychological, physical, and financial toll on Coppola, who almost committed suicide. 12.49.25.255 (talk) 21:36, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The best thing to do is gather the information together, group it by content, i.e. maybe talk about all the issues in one part or do it by date if you prefer and can source it, and then based on how much content you've ended up with, that will tell you if it needs to be split into separate sections or not. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 22:35, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
 * That’s good advice. I’ll actually try it out with Godfather first, since I decided last minute to do that one first. Hdog1996 (talk) 00:32, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Here’s a source for your next project.
 * https://www.thewrap.com/summer-box-office-preview-2018-marvel/ Hdog1996 (talk) 23:53, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of Alternative versions of Joker for deletion
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Casting
So I noticed that Harrison Ford is only top billed in Apocalypse Now Redux, which is the extended version of the film. He appears in both the original and redux versions. My question is for casting, do you only use top billed castings only or do you include major characters that appear only in both versions?

It’s completely different from Michael Biehn’s situation where he only appeared in the extended version of T2 and the whole dilemma where George Lucas replaced the original actor of Palpatine with Ian McDiarmid in the 2004 version of Empire Strikes Back. Hdog1996 (talk) 19:46, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * For which section? For the infobox we use the billing from the poster, and if not the top billing in the opening credits or the end credits if applicable. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 20:53, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It’s for the casting section that has pictures of some of the actors. I’m stuck on putting Harrison Ford in there because he isn’t top billed in the 1979 poster of Apocalypse Now but he is for the 2001 redux poster. Hdog1996 (talk) 02:34, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Well HArrison Ford is billed on the poster and he proably wouldn't appear on the non Redux article if it was a small role so it would be fine to include him on Redux. If Apocalypse Now had images of the three top billed guys (I can't remember who they were) I wouldn't repeat those same images on Redux because they're already represented elsewhere so I'd be picking other people anyway. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 09:11, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The three top billed actors for Apocalypse Now are Marlon Brando, Robert Duvall, and Martin Sheen.
 * For my project, I’m doing just the original version because Redux is just a Director’s cut. I’ll mention Redux and Final Cut together in the post-release section of the original release of the film. It’s the same thing you did for Empire Strikes Back. Hdog1996 (talk) 14:56, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * But maybe I’ll do Redux as a separate article in the same manner you’ve done special effects articles for films such as Terminator 2, Empire Strikes Back, and Starship Troopers. Hdog1996 (talk) 14:58, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Something like Apocalypse Now would be a big project so I wouldn't worry about Redux Darkwarriorblake (talk) 14:59, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Fair enough.
 * Fun fact about Apocalypse Now: a fourteen year old Laurence Fishburne lied to Coppola that he was eighteen when he was cast in the film. He actually turned eighteen when the film finally came out. I believe it was his film debut. Hdog1996 (talk) 16:02, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Terminator 2: Judgment Day
Does a TFA for October 10 sound good? - Dank (push to talk) 02:56, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Sounds fine Darkwarriorblake (talk) 11:18, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Btw, I'm not very good with film blurbs, but I'll give it a shot if you'd rather not do it. 925 to 1025 characters, please. - Dank (push to talk) 14:55, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * (We can work on it here or on the talk page of the FAC where the article was promoted.) - Dank (push to talk) 22:40, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay, I gave it a shot at WP:Today's featured article/October 10, 2023, see what you think. - Dank (push to talk) 02:49, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you today for the article, introduced: "'I told you... I'll be back' Hoping this sequel is as successful as the film on which it is focused. This is Terminator 2, the 1991 action film that pits machine against machine to preserve the future of humanity."! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:55, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks as always for your dedication and care. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 17:35, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

An Outside Opinion
Hello DWB, I know you are probably very busy but I have been trying to get the article on the film Begotten up to FA status a couple times to no success. Within the past couple months I have reworked it and was wondering if you have any suggestions on things that need to be fixed or if I am good to go for a successful nomination. If you dont have time that is okay. Paleface Jack (talk) 20:55, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * For every good FAC reviewer there are a bunch of dicks seeking to create busy work Paleface. What was your specific feedback as it seems pretty comprehensive but I'm not familiar with the film to say for sure. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 21:18, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Yeah you are right. I am just figuring out if its all formatted right and if my sources are all up to snuff. I did a lot of comprehensive edits and removing unreliable ones but I want to be sure. Paleface Jack (talk) 01:53, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I think the hard part of this is going to be the sourcing. Like Movie Habit, why is that reliable? I know the frustration of finding really good information but from a source that I know FAC reviewers are going to hate, and how hard it is to find good references for something relatively niche AND old at the same time.
 * The web references are also not all archived using the code "archive-url= |archive-date= |url-status=live (or 'dead' if necessary)" meaning that even reliable references are subject to Link Rot.
 * Things like "In an interview with Scott MacDonald, Merhige alternately stated that filming spanned over a period of five-and-a-half months." Why is that hidden in a note? If he provided an alternate filming length shouldn't this be included in the text?
 * It's hard to give you clearer info, it seems comprehensive and you've obviously done a lot of research via physical media such as books and older news articles, and looking at the previous FACs, the first was almost all complaints about references and the second just didn't get enough attention (Which isn't unique, my first nomination of Aliens didn't attract any attention either so it's not necessarily the subject matter). I think the big thing will be improving the references, the web ones mainly. A good rule of thumb, though not a precise science, is that if it doesn't even have a wikipedia article it's probably not very notable a website, such as wearemoviegeeks.com. It might have great info, and it's frustrating because you want to use it, but it's never going to fly at a FAC nomination. There's also Reliable sources/Perennial sources which lists a lot of sources considered reliable and unreliable. Don't forget that you can use google to mass search websites as well, it's not perfect but you could type "Begotten" and then "site:nytimes.com" and it will search only results from nytimes so you might get better results. NYTimes is subscription based so if you can't view the article, search it in web.archive.org and you should be able to view the text. You can replace nytimes with latimes.com, hollywoodreporter.com, etc, which might get you some better sources. Hopefully that is of some help to you. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 15:37, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I agree. Sources such as Movie habit and movie geeks can and should be removed, and there are always alternate sources. I will get to work on archiving the web sources tomorrow and making some more edits. Since Merhige has always operated outside of Hollywood it will be interesting to find more sources. Best of luck on your endeavors with John Wick my friend. Paleface Jack (talk) 16:14, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * There is also this tool here which automatically archives the refs on the page. Not as bad on yours as you don't have as many web references whereas I tend to rely heavily on them so it takes the weight off archiving like 200+ refs. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 18:16, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Still trying to figure out where to find the tool after autorizing it.--Paleface Jack (talk) 17:04, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Got it to work. Now, my only issue is how to structure the paragraph on the film appearing in lists of media outlets. Tried to structure it like you did with The Thing but it doesn't seem right or fit with the general flow. Paleface Jack (talk) 01:35, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * If you look at some of my more recent articles like Terminator 2, I've tended to stop naming publications unless they have particularly noteworthy comments and just group things together, so if it was on a list of most disturbing movies rather than mentioning the rank I'd just say "several publications called it one of the most disturbing films ever made" or the same thing but "some publications, such as [insert publication] and [insert publication] called it..." Darkwarriorblake (talk) 22:38, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

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Distributors and production companies.
For my FAC project for Apocalypse Now, do I mention United Artists as UA like you mention 20th Century Fox as just Fox in your Die Hard and Aliens articles, or do I need to mention United Artists in its full name? There was a bunch of international distributors for Apocalypse Now, but it was distributed in North America by United Artists, so I’m only including United Artists in the infobox.

As for production companies, does the production company gets named as the one it was credited for copyright? American Zoetrope, Coppola’s company and produced and owns the film, was credited as Omni Zoetrope but during production it was called Coppola Cinema Seven. Hdog1996 (talk) 05:04, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 * The United Artists article says it has an official abbreviation of UA, so you as long as you establish the abbreviation in the first instance you can just refer to it as UA thereafter. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 11:34, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I was making sure because I will need to put them into my project. The current revision of the Apocalypse Now article apparently states that one of the film’s television airings had “from MGM/UA” at the end credits, but I’m not going to mention MGM in it because they didn’t have the right for long once MGM bought UA in 1981 after the Heaven’s Gate disaster. Hdog1996 (talk) 13:32, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

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Why were my edits to Prometheus 2012 reverted?
Had described the sexual encounter between Jaken and Vickers and had described the deaths of Millburn and Fifield. AlAzhar 21:02, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Per WP:FILMPLOT there is a 700 word limit which is to be kept as tight as possible and the count BEFORE your additions was 657. But regarldess of that limit, what does Janek and Vickers having sex have to do with an overall understanding of the plot? This "Inside the structure, a naive Millburn deliberately provokes a snake-like alien creature that had been swimming around in the black pool. The creature tightly wraps itself up on his arms and breaks it. As Fifield attempts to sever its head it sprays a corrosive fluid that melts Fifield's helmet. Fifield falls face-first into a puddle of dark liquid and dies an agonizing death. The creature then tears Millburn's suit and enter his helmet eventually entering his mouth killing him." is saying the same thing as "Inside the structure, a snake-like creature kills Millburn and sprays a corrosive fluid that melts Fifield's helmet." but editorializing and adding WP:OR with commentary like "naive Milburn" and "agonizing death" and also overexplaining every aspect of that scene. If they want details that's what watching the film is for. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 21:13, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

John Wick (film)
Hi Darkwarriorblake. Just in case you missed it, Featured article candidates/John Wick (film)/archive1 has been waiting for a response from you for a week. Cheers, Gog the Mild (talk) 10:58, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Glad you like it, Groundhog Day is still probably my best work I think, it was so easy to find really juicy sources for it, except for the music, I could never find any info about that, I know that RAmis apparently wrote the Weatherman song that plays over the opening but never found a reliable source for it. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 17:51, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Invitation to talk page
You are invited to the talk page of The Expendables 4, regarding the change of title name that are causing some issues. BattleshipMan (talk) 01:16, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Nominating Seven and Starship Troopers
Do you know how I nominated articles for featured articles? I was going to nominate Seven and Starship Troopers because they are both excellent enough to warrant featured article status. Hdog1996 (talk) 02:57, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think you can nominate them if you haven't had a significant role in them but you do it at Featured article candidates, but I wouldn't at the minute anyway, I need to go over them both to trim them down a bit to try and avoid running into the same roadblocks at FA about length like we're on Geocities in the 1990s and have a 20mb traffic limit. Seven isn't far off, Starship Troopers is probably a bit too long so I know it will get complained about. I just want to get John Wick out of FA first and finish Mission Impossible but Seven is probably next on my list to promote. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 08:00, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Comments on FA nomination
Hello Darkwarriorblake, I wanted to let you know that I nominated the article Communication for featured article status, see Featured article candidates/Communication/archive1. So far, there has not been much response from reviewers. I was wondering whether you are inclined to have a look at it due to your interest in media. If you have the time, I would appreciate your comments. Phlsph7 (talk) 08:00, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * It's not really my area of expertise but I will take a look either this weekend or early next week. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 23:12, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Do heart attacks count as injuries?
Dumb question, but would you consider heart attacks as injuries? I ask this because I will need it for my Apocalypse Now project because Martin Sheen had a near fatal heart attack during filming. I’m debating whether or not I should just put actor injuries in the top section for be specific.

Speaking of top section, would you put problems with the cast in the top section of discussing about problems with the actors on set because I got my work cut out with Marlon Brando’s behavior on set Hdog1996 (talk) 18:04, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
 * No, a heart attack would just be a heart attack, I think it'd be classed as a condition if anything. As for the top section you can mention those things as issues but I'd summarize and mention maybe a key one or two. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 21:15, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

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2020s films?
How do you usually wait to do recent films for your featured article project? Would you be doing 2020s films in the future if given the chance like Top Gun Maverick or Oppenheimer? Hdog1996 (talk) 04:50, 13 November 2023 (UTC) I might do, got loads to already do and they're taking longer and longer. I have like 0 interest in Oppenheimer and Top Gun 2 though. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 09:13, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

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National Film Registry
So one of your project’s films got inducted into the National Film Registry. I was hoping Robocop or Seven joined the list, but Terminator 2 making it is awesome. Hdog1996 (talk) 03:53, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

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 * Thanks a lot ! Darkwarriorblake (talk) 10:52, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

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Re, see Template:Interlanguage link, which in this case links to the French WP since an English WP article does not exist. Whatever you choose is fine by me.  Aza24  (talk)   23:34, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Batman
Hey there DWB. I've been doing a rewatch of the Warner Batman films (currently on Forever) and I have to say, I do think Returns might be the best Batman film next to TDK. I went back through and read your Returns article and really appreciate your work on it – very insightful. I know you're probably burned out of writing about Batman but with that being said... Batman Begins for 2005? – zmbro (talk) (cont) 15:42, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you Zmbro. Begins is one of the options because there just aren't many films of the 2000s I like, but I also want to work on The Batman and four Batman films might be too much. It's all a long way off at this point either way, I was able to do all the 80s ones during Covid because there was no work to do so I got paid to sit on Wikipedia all day whereas my time is much more limited now. I want to try and get the Matrix done so at least the 80s and 90s are boxed off before I look at anything else. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 17:50, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

2023 Context
Would it be wise to add a context section for the 2023 in film page? I'm asking because the multiple flops and unexpected successes are noteworthy. I wrote this in it and see if it's wise to put it in there.

Context for 2023 The theatrical year of 2023 reached a record of $9.05 billion, becoming the most successful year in the COVID-19 pandemic and the highest total since 2019. However, the year was hindered by several high-profile box office flops from established franchises, a declining interest in the superhero film genre, and labor strikes from both the Writers Guild of America and Screen Actors Guild. The high number of blockbuster films struggled at the box office was due to the high cost of production, with the average cost being $200-$300 million, as well as lack of marketing because of the strikes. The most successful films of the year were films with modest budgets, such as Barbie, Godzilla: Minus One, Oppenheimer, and The Sound of Freedom. The success of these films and the multiple blockbusters undeperforming indicated that audiences have grown tired of franchises and are seeking original content in theaters. Hdog1996 (talk) 02:03, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I think yes given what happened in 2023 that an analysis or context section would be really enlightening. I've had to cut down on them in my articles unless it relates to the specific film because it's become a hindrance at Featured ARticle Nominations, but on the 2023 in film page I think it would be really positive. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 22:51, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I put on under the highest grossing films section and they deleted it and placed a similar analysis in the evaluation section. I was bummed because I also put that the only successful films in 2023 were films made under $200 million like Barbie, Oppenheimer, and Sound of Freedom and how audiences had grown tired to both superhero and franchise tentpoles. Hdog1996 (talk) 00:21, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Hmm well I can't speak as to why another editor has done that bit if it's sourced and not a copy of content from the source then it seems like a reasonable point to make if more successful films were relatively lower budget. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 20:37, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Dating of Aliens
Currently I am updating the dating for the new Alien: Romulus film, which is to be set between the time frame of Alien and Aliens. The dating of Alien is given as 2122, and your edit on Aliens states that it is 57 years after the first film, which is 2179. It makes sense to add the timeline since Alien: Romulus is coming out later this year. HenryRoan (talk) 10:23, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Nothing is mentioned in the film about a year though and retrospective information wouldn't be added in the plot, at most it would be a hidden note backed up with a reliable source. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 10:26, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Since the director of Romulus has made a point of stating that his installment is set in time between the first film Alien and the second film Aliens, it seems that the films might be in danger of tripping over each other in readers' minds if the time frame is not made more explicit. Since your edit in the Aliens plot already states that it is exactly "57 years" later, then it makes sense to give the actual dating in more than a hidden note. Let me know what you think, dates or no dates in the Aliens article, dates or no dates in the Romulus sequel article? HenryRoan (talk) 10:32, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * It would depend on the reliability of the source but it would still be a hidden note because it's not stated in the film while 57 years is. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 11:14, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * No dates are mentioned in either Alien or Aliens. Any dates applied are post movie ret-cons which are not actually part of the original movies. I don't see why saying something is set between two movies requires a specific date, just between the movies is sufficient. You would need to provide a reliable source that the Alien and Aliens films are specifically (at the time) set in those years, which at the time they were just some unknown future. We write movies from the perspective of the original release, not any retconning that happened later. <b style="color: Blue;">Canterbury Tail</b> <i style="color: Blue;">talk</i> 14:02, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Cailee Spaeny (an actor in Romulus) stated to Variety that Alien: Romulus will take place between the events of 1979's Alien, and the 1986 sequel Aliens.


 * I also just located this official looking poster released for the film which might be good for the Infobox of the film if you know might know someone with experience on how to load it for the Wikipedia article here:.


 * The published companion books to the film productions also contain information on the timelines if an added source is needed. HenryRoan (talk) 14:09, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Again they were published well after the films and reconned dates into them. No date appears in the films. The plot is only for what appears in the film with the film as the primary source. If it doesn't appear in the film, it doesn't go in the plot section. MOS:FILMPLOT. <b style="color: Blue;">Canterbury Tail</b> <i style="color: Blue;">talk</i> 14:29, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Other interwiki versions of the articles about Alien include the date for the film setting such as the one in Russian. Also its covered in the companion books such as: Becoming Alien: The Beginning and End of Evil in Science Fiction's Most Idiosyncratic Film Franchise (Reel Spirituality Monograph Series) Paperback – March 15, 2021 by Sarah Welch-Larson (Author).


 * Also this second source book covers the timeline in: Author:	Perry, S. D. (Stephani Danelle), author. Title:	Alien : The Weyland-Yutani Report / S. D. Perry. Publisher, Date: San Rafael, CA : Insight Editions, [2016]


 * Two reliable sources are usually sufficient to support adding the information, both those authors thought it was useful to add dates. If you do a search on "2122 Alien" in the Google search engine then a bunch of sources come up justifying the use of these dates. HenryRoan (talk) 14:34, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I think you're missing what's being said to you. Per MOS:FILMPLOT only the film as a primary source is used for the plot. Since the date is not mentioned, referenced or shown in the film it cannot be included. You can find as many sources as you want, if it's not in the film it doesn't go in. Also what happens in other language Wikipedias has no baring on the English language Wikipedia and it's policies/guidelines etc, they're completely separate unconnected projects. <b style="color: Blue;">Canterbury Tail</b> <i style="color: Blue;">talk</i> 15:43, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Not to disparage foreign wikis but we try to work to a higher standard and Aliens is also a Featured Article. We don't modify plots based on retcons developed in future instalments or spin-offs. The best example I can think of is we don't change Star Wars' plot to read "Luke meets with Leia, secretly his sister" which I don't think is identified until the third film. Dating the Aliens films is a mistake anyway, as they are they're relatively timeless, but as I've expressed above, if the information can be reliably sourced we could add it as a footnote, but we shouldn't be saying "In 2179" because that isn't in the film as it was released.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 15:48, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * My edits have been centered on Romulus which Variety magazine says is to be set between Alien and Aliens in its time frame. If the years are not included in the Plot sections, then that sets up the problem for general readers to get confused when Romulus comes out about whether film A is set before film B or after film C, etc. Since DWB appears to offer the solution of using footnotes for this, and if you both agree to the footnotes solution, then I can look up the dates for all the films as listed in the Weyland-Yutani book which I cited above yesterday as a reliable source. I can post the results here over the next few days if both of you think that DWB's footnotes suggestion is the best approach at this time for the chronology issue between these films? HenryRoan (talk) 19:46, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I personally don't agree on the footnotes, it's trying to shoehorn in a retcon that doesn't exist in the films. And it's not a hard concept for people that Romulus takes place between Alien and Aliens. Actual years aren't needed for that concept and I think it's rather insulting people's intelligence to think they can't grasp such a simple concept. Plenty of films don't have specific dates with some taking place in between others, it's not an issue. It seems that you're looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. "It's set between Alien and Aliens", done. You're also assuming that Romulus will have a specific date to it in the film, when none of Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 or Alien Ressurection have. Additionally, any conversations around this and about changes to the article should take place on the talk page of said articles, and not on a user talk page, so a wider audience can be reached for consensus. <b style="color: Blue;">Canterbury Tail</b> <i style="color: Blue;">talk</i> 19:59, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

The larger chronology of Alien and its sequels is not generally known to viewers of the films, although on numerous websites and published books the chronology is very consistently given as:


 * Alien vs. Predator (2004, it was supposed to be 'present day' when released)


 * Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem (2004, also set in 2004 as a direct sequel to AVP)


 * Prometheus (2089, as stated in its Wikipedia Plot section now)


 * Alien: Covenant (2104, as stated in its Wikipedia Plot section now)


 * Alien (2122, not currently in its Wikipedia Plot section though well sourced on web)


 * Alien: Romulus (sometime between 2122 and 2179 according to Variety magazine)


 * Aliens (2179, not currently in its Wikipedia Plot section which only states its 57 years after Alien)


 * Alien 3 (2179, same year as Aliens)


 * Alien: Resurrection (2381, several hundred years later)

The dating of the films is currently inconsistently sometimes given (and sometimes not) on Wikipedia, and DWB's footnotes approach might make Wikipedia more consistent for this film series as a whole. It might make sense to move this discussion to the Alien Talk page which started this film series as suggested by Canterbury Tail. (There is a copy on the Alien Talk page at this time.) HenryRoan (talk) 21:11, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
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