User talk:Darren-M/Archives/2020/May

Greenwood Laboratory School
I have no idea which revisions need revdel at Greenwood Laboratory School, especially as the copvio detector seems to be down. Have you any idea what might be the last clean(ish) version? It might just be simplest to revdel everything subsequent to that or nuke it and start again if we can't find a clean version. Thanks. Nthep (talk) 15:34, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, sorry - I didn't quite realise how the tag would work when I added commentary! I have no idea when the copy-vio appeared - It seemed to me that pretty much all of the content on the page was a direct copy-and-paste from various pages on the school website. I'm pretty comfortable that my version doesn't have copyvio, so the latter option of nuking it and treating my edits as the first version of a new page might be quicker and cleaner? Best,  Darren-M   talk  15:38, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem. All done. Sometimes it's the only option when it's been ongoing for years and difficult to untangle. Nthep (talk) 15:45, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Not vandalism
Hi Darren-M, I just saw that you reverted an edit here:, that added "pizza" to the "see also" section of the article about manakish. I don't see how it's "nonconstructive". Pizza is historically related to manakish; see for example the pita article. According to WP:SEEALSO, "see also" sections "enable readers to explore tangentially related topics". In fact, pizza is even linked in the lead paragraph of the article - though because of that it should actually not be in "see also", per WP:NOTSEEALSO. So the main reason I'm leaving this message is becase I also saw that you gave the user a level-1 "vandalism" warning:. Their edit is not in any way vandalism, which is the malicious defacing or damaging of Wikipedia. It was clearly a good-faith and reasonable effort to improve Wikipedia. I've taken the liberty of removing the warning template; if you disagree you can reinstate it and/or we can discuss it further. I'm asking you to try to be careful about leaving "vandalism" warnings unless an edit really is blatant vandalsim; otherwise it may go against our policies. Thanks... --IamNotU (talk) 02:26, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
 * @ Thanks for the heads-up, good spot. Cheers, Darren-M   talk  12:39, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Santiago STEAM Magnet School name Change
Hello,

I recently added STEAM Magnet to the name of the school I teach at. We have officialy changed the name of our school from Santiago Elementary School to Santiago STEAM Magnet Elementary School. https://www.svusd.org/schools/elementary-m-z/santiago
 * Thank you. Apologies, the edit looked like vandalism. Please go ahead and re-do it. It might be useful to include that link in your edit summary to help document why you have made the the change. PS, if you comment on a talk page, please end your comment with four ~ ( ~ ) which will automatically add your name and a timestamp. Best, Darren-M   talk  18:51, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

will do Broski499 (talk) 21:26, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

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Weldon Kennedy
I'm Weldon's Grandson and currently writing his obituary
 * Hi. I'm sorry for your loss, and thank you for striving to maintain the accuracy of Wikipedia. Because deaths are particularly sensitive and because we need to be careful not to fall foul of hoaxes, we shouldn't update somebody as deceased until it can be verified using a reliable source. This helps us to avoid misinformation.. I would suggest waiting to update the article until it has been reported (e.g. in an obituaries section of a newspaper) and then proceeding to edit the article. Depending on whether you intend to edit anything else connected to Weldon Kennedy, you may also want to read about our conflict of interest guidelines which talk through how to go about editing for a subject that you have a relationship or vested interest with. Best wishes,  Darren-M   talk  19:44, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Post on broxbourne
Thanks Darren. Whoever posted that ok wikipedia didnt state the full story correctly.

Refugio County
I don't think BAD grammar is required by the MOS.47.184.169.236 (talk) 14:47, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

The name of Karur is change to Karoor
Hi Darren,

The name of the district Karur is officially changed to Karoor by chief minister of Tamilnadu, India in June 2020. A total of 1000+ names of places in Tamilnadu were changed.
 * I'll have a look into it, thanks. We do need to tackle the page name being amended too if that is the case. Best, Darren-M   talk  12:50, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi there. I've come across this discussion at the Project India discussion board which seems to be looking at the logistics of this. I would suggest contributing to the discussion there - there is naturally a concern about the logistics of handling over a thousand page moves. Best, Darren-M   talk  20:00, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Pending changes
Yesterday you accepted a edit at Boxing, which was performed by an edit-warring IP (thought by at least one editor to be a block evader) and that was the subject of a request for page protection. The added material is not supported by the source given. I have therefore undone the edit. DrKay (talk) 07:27, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up and for resolving. Best, Darren-M   talk  09:27, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

what is wrong with the orginial lede sources of Miscegenation
why did you change the lede sourcing, and can you please explain why your new sources are better than the original? Gooduserdude (talk) 08:38, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The definition provided by Dictionary.com conflicts with other assertions on the page, for example In the present day, the word miscegenation is avoided by many scholars, because the term suggests that race is a concrete biological phenomenon, rather than a categorization imposed on certain relationships. The term's historical use in contexts that typically implied disapproval is also a reason why more unambiguously neutral terms such as interracial, interethnic or cross-cultural are more common in contemporary usage.. The inclusion of 'considered to be' better reflects the lack of public consensus, meaning an alternative definition was more suitable. I have no overall view on the broad reliability of the existing source vs my replacement, but in this situation I think the replacement better reflects the article as drafted. Hope this helps. Best, Darren-M   talk  09:26, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

GS
Jtbobwaysf (talk) 21:29, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Privacy Question / Concern
Hello Darren,

I saw your response and was curious, what if the Public Official doesn't consent to their place of residence being published on Wikipedia?

Thanks - Ike54321 (talk) 00:26, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe the following would then apply, from Biographies_of_living_persons:

Legal issues Subjects who have legal or other serious concerns about material they find about themselves on a Wikipedia page, whether in a BLP or elsewhere, may contact the Wikimedia Foundation's volunteer response team (known as OTRS). Please e-mail with a link to the article and details of the problem; for more information on how to get an error corrected, see. It is usually better to ask for help rather than trying to change the material yourself.

As noted above, individuals involved in a significant legal or other off-wiki dispute with the subject of a biographical article are strongly discouraged from editing that article.
 * Best, Darren-M   talk  00:39, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for weighing in on the B/O Templates
Glad that you noticed the templates on Institutional racism. I don't usually answer but you made me aware of how my POV may have affected my answer to having tags placed that make the article seem contested, when we did contest it 5 years ago quite extensively, as I recall some of the fights resulted in time-outs. I wanted to call the editor out for what I see as a white-wash, but that term has been shelved as it is seen as combative. Using verbosity and non-neutral POV as leverage to make an article on what are valid complaints of people of color against the 'system' is a tired trope from intellectuals who want to provide 'cover'- but not violate WP rules against such actions. If an editor adds to an article or raises valid questions about grammar, I'm stepping back and lurking in the shadows. This was a whistle that I had to call out, I was just waiting for someone else to do so first so I couldn't be accused of claiming ownership. In the end, If I ignore the larger attempts to de-legitimize the argument I originally made, and no one else does, the argument can then be made to delete the article. Thanks for seeing the greater picture... CaptJayRuffins (talk) 19:11, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 16
 News and updates associated with user scripts from the past two months (May and June 2020).

Hello everyone and welcome to the 16th issue of the Wikipedia Scripts++ Newsletter:

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 * Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg Twinkle released new features, including a rollback links on history pages and Special:Recentchanges,
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Subway article
Okay, I don't really care at this point, but how is it I was only notified yesterday about an article I created being proposed for deletion and then it already redirects to the main Subway article? Just kind of curious, was there a discussion? Thanks! Jgera5 (talk) 12:23, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , Hiya. I initially added a PROD template before deciding that a redirect would make more sense. Happy to open a dialogue, but as my edit summary says - I don't see that the Subway $5 footlong promotion article was adding anything noteworthy that wasn't already covered in the Subway (restaurant) article. Best, Darren-M   talk  14:12, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, I'm not concerned at this point. I think in hindsight you did the right thing. Jgera5 (talk) 17:39, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Davis Polk & Wardwell
Hi Darren, your rollback at Davis Polk & Wardwell looks not complete to me. Thanks for action. --Nyook ✉ 10:55, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , thanks, good spot. Best, Darren-M   talk  11:04, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

I want to thank you too
Thank you for your civility and that you gave me the benefit of the doubt. L.T.G (talk) 21:09, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Knight Commission on Intercollegiate Athletics
Hi Darren, Regarding "Thought Leaders" Wikipedia has an entry on "thought leader," which says : "A thought leader is an individual or firm that is recognized as an authority in a specialized field and whose expertise is sought and often rewarded," citing a Forbes story. In the context of the Knight Commission, the phrase "whose expertise is sought" applies, but not the end of that phrase, "rewarded."

Also I wanted to point out that Knight Commission is not a lobby group.

Do you also review the other edits as well? Thank you. 71.163.180.15 (talk) 18:58, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi . 'Thought leader' is not a neutral term, the description you have linked is indicative of that. We need to make sure that our articles have a neutral point of view so we should not be referring to a body in a way which suggests an opinion unless we are saying who that opinion belongs to.
 * I'm not sure what other edits you're referring to? Best, Darren-M   talk  19:40, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what other edits you're referring to? Best, Darren-M   talk  19:40, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Talk comment
Hi! Im new to this new Wikipedia sorta thing but i love history and i want to just help some articles and dont worry i do know a lot about history and if i dont i will get as much info i can from different sources and find out wich one is true. May i ask what do u mean when u say i did not add a source do u mean like a link or a website? Ok Darren i will now add a source whenever i make/edit a article thanks for reminding me!
 * Hi . This page will help you with an introduction to referencing. Give me a shout if you have any more questions. When you comment on somebody's talk page, make sure to sign your comments with ~ so that it automatically adds your name and a timestamp. :) Happy editing! Best, Darren-M   talk  11:43, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

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Seven years ago this week, the Editing team made the visual editor available by default to all logged-in editors using the desktop site at the English Wikipedia. Here's what happened since its introduction:


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 * On 17 November 2019, the first edit from outer space was made in the mobile visual editor.
 * In 2019, 35% of the edits by newcomers, and half of their first edits, were made using the visual editor. This percentage has been increasing every year since the tool became available.

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