User talk:Data.kindnet

Important Notice
Doug Weller talk 17:31, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Lead sentences
Do not have misleading script amendments - please understand that Javanese script is not what you replaced the Javanese script with. For a start that is quite a problem to have scripts of any sort in a lead sentence. JarrahTree 01:32, 17 August 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm having trouble finding Wiki docs on the proper handling of unreadable scripts, or how scripts are handled in the opening paragraphs or throughout the body of the entry. When I pulled the page up for editing, there was just a series of squares, so I looked around and got what I put in there, which, maybe is Hiragana or something. What is the best way to handle this when editing? Simply delete unreadable characters? Data.kindnet (talk) 14:31, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Apologies for delay in reply - I seemed to have allowed myself to get distracted...
 * your addition looked like korean or japanese (neither of which I know anything about)... the general attitude of some editors is to leave scripts in info boxes and leave them out of lede sentences as most readers will not have any facility to read or understand non english scripts or words. As for a reliable part of WP:MOS about lede sentences, still looking... JarrahTree 14:43, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Nuke the squares, and if anyone queries you about the issues: -


 * Manual_of_Style/India-related_articles


 * Manual_of_Style/Indonesia-related_articles

Basically extra non latin scripts can be removed from lede sentences on the basis of the Indic precedent, even if it has not been incorporated into the Indonesian MOS guide at this stage. JarrahTree 15:00, 17 August 2022 (UTC)


 * This is an article I just picked up that was marked as needing CE. I have no expertise on the topic and I'm also not super experienced with the deeper parts of Wiki-editing. The script was unreadbable (not installed on my computer?) so I tried to find something else and messed up. Are you saying it's better to simply delete something like this if I come across it in the future?


 * I also don't understand what this is: Patih Pringgalaya [ jv].< It looks like a link, but doesn't resolve to anything. Was it a mistake from the original author or just something beyond my ken? I originally removed it, rewrote the sentence and added a citation to a book where I learned who Paith Pringgalaya was. It's crazy how much research goes into doing a simple CE job!
 * Rolling back all of the other changes is pretty disheartening as it took me hours of work; I kind of don't feel like doing it again and some of the reasoning behind that is I'm not even sure I was going about it the right way to begin with. I'm half-heartedly looking to see if I can copy stuff from the history back into my edit, but it's not that simple at first blush. Data.kindnet (talk) 14:52, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I am Australian (english, etc), but I have post grad experience of living in and researching things to do with Java in Indonesia. I would not recommend 'jumping in' to javanese things if you are not Indonesian or not qualified (ie well read upon the subject) in the minutiae of javanese culture and history. There are traps.  If you have a first language that is not english then there are opportunities... JarrahTree 15:00, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I have been spending the last whatever - too much trying to deal with edit conflicts, I am off for the night. best wishes. JarrahTree 15:04, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help. I'll abandon this article to someone else then. I did learn a bunch though. Data.kindnet (talk) 15:18, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I would strongly suggest you find a topic that you know about - something to do with your own personal direct experience - like a town/person

and go into the article in edit mode and have a look inside - and get a sense of how 'reverse engineering' of things can give you a sense of how things work. You can see a range of internal editing things that are already established - you might even find things to correct! But as close to your immediate experience and knowledge as possible - you might be surprised to see where people make common mistakes, and how they do things... JarrahTree 15:24, 17 August 2022 (UTC)