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Godfrey Mwakikagile
Hello, I see that you were the initial creator of the Godfrey Mwakikagile article and still working on it. Great job. To avoid any future problems, I think it would be better to provide inline citations for such a notable subject like Mwakikagile. I was planning to translate parts of this article to French Wiki but without inline citations and the huge size, I may have problems. Once it is thoroughly sourced with inline citations I would like to translate it. I've added it to my watchlist for weeks and was planning to come to it. Best of luck.Tamsier (talk) 04:52, 29 May 2012 (UTC)


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Speedy deletion nomination of Mary Hancock
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I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Mary Hancock for deletion, because it seems to be inappropriate for a variety of reasons. For more details please see the notice on the article.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Mary_Hancock&action=edit&section=new&preload=Template:Hangon_preload&preloadtitle=This+page+should+not+be+speedy+deleted+because...+ contest this deletion], but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions.

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Deletion discussion about Pan-African Freedom Movement for East and Central Africa
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Meatsgains (talk) 03:05, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello Meatsgains (talk),

I don't know why the article on PAFMECA has been marked for deletion when the organisation played a major role in the African liberation struggle and in the formation of the Organisation of African Unity (OAU). It was also at a meeting of this organisation that Nelson Mandela first addressed African leaders to seek support for the struggle against apartheid after he secretly left South Africa for the first time on 11 January 1962 to go to Tanganyika to meet with that country's first independence leader, Julius Nyerere, who was also the founder of PAFMECA. Dave (talk) 05:18, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * You need to go to the deletion discussion at Articles for deletion/Pan-African Freedom Movement for East and Central Africa and explain why you think the article should be kept. For example if you think it should be kept, you need to demonstrate how the article passes Wikipedia's general notability guidelines (i.e. demonstrate why it is notable or historically significant in this case). You should also show that the subject has been covered in detail by several reliable sources. Also, you need to start adding sources to the article itself. There is no point arguing here because the administrator that will be closing the deletion discussion in 7 days time (provided it is not relisted) will not be looking at you talk page. They will be looking at arguments put forward by other editors in the deletion discussion, not here. I think the nomination is silly anyway, and I have stated that in the deletion discussion and ask that they close the discussion as it is a poor nomination in the first place, because it was quite evident that the nominator failed to search for reliable sources themselves before nominating the article for deletion - thereby establishing notability for themselves. Within 2 minutes of searching online, I was able to find several reliable sources covering the subject in detail - thereby passing our general notability guidelines.Tamsier (talk) 05:32, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Tamsier (talk),

Thank you very much for your response and for the elaboration on the two articles involved: Godfrey Mwakikagile and PAFMECA.

First and foremost, let me apologise for what may have been misconstrued as disrespect to you and as an individual and to black people and Africans in general. I don't know much about African extended families; that is where the confusion comes from on my part and could not come to grips with the fact that your definition of nephew is that elastic in the context of African cultures; hence the validity of the contention that Godfrey is Ngwilulupi's nephew.

I didn't even know that cousins are considered to be brothers and sisters in African cultures. That is the interpretation I get since Godfrey's mother and Ngwilulupi's wife were first cousins yet Godfrey is said to be Ngwilulupi's nephew as if the two cousins were sisters! I don't dispute that interpretation in the African context. I just didn't know. I think I also heard Nelson Mandela say that when explaining family ties in Africa. He said people outside Africa don't understand when we say aunt's or my uncle's children are also my brothers and sisters.

I know about a handful of African countries, Tanzania being one of them, but not in as much detail as you do. My interest in Godfrey Mwakikagile's works arose from what I found out some time ago, in fact accidentally, that his books were being used in many colleges and universities in African studies even at the PhD level in many countries - in and outside Africa - but had never heard of him although I knew somethings about his home country Tanzania. I am also interested in East Africa and Africa in general. I also noticed that Tanzania, unlike for example Nigeria or Ghana, is one of those African countries which does not have many articles about its people in Wikipedia and concluded that Godfrey Mwakikagile was one of those scholars who should get the attention they deserve.

Suffice it to say that I also am pulling out, just like you, and I hope that you will change your mind in the future and return to the subject, Mwakikagile especially being a reputable African author and scholar, about which you know more than I do.

My interest in East Africa and Africa as a whole is also what led me to start the article on PAFMECA. I am not going to get involved in a debate on the subject and will let others, like you, defend the validity of the article or refute it as some people intend to do because they don't see it to be an important one.

I know black people and Africans have been disrespected by other people for centuries and scorn is still being heaped on them by many individuals. I am not one of them. I respect all people.

Best wishes. Dave (talk) 23:26, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

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 * Hello Diannaa,
 * The article is documented by different editors, not just by me, using other sources as well. It does not rely on a single source, a work or works by Godfrey Mwakikagile, and it would be unfair to delete any parts of the article documented by them as well. See notes of the article providing different references. They don't come from one book or source. Dave (talk) 15:34, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

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 * Thank you very much. I agree with you entirely. There are many profiles from this region which can be added. I hope others will join us in adding them to Wikipedia and elsewhere. Dave (talk) 13:46, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I was surprised when I found out years ago that one of the founding fathers of Tanganyika, later Tanzania, Oscar Kambona, was not in Wikipedia. I added him. There are other prominent figures in the independence struggle in East Africa - Tanzania, Kenya, Uganda and elsewhere - who have not been given the recognition they deserve. One of them is Julius Mwasanyagi from Tanzania. But I have not been able to find enough information to write an article about him. I hope someone, hopefully including you, will be able to do that in the future. And there are many other subjects about East Africa, not just political leaders, which need to be covered and added to Wikipedia. Dave (talk) 13:57, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

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